My PERSONAL conclusions about salaat (contact prayer)

savage_carrot

It appears to me more and more, that one's understanding of the quran, and what is mentioned in the quran, does not ultimately depend on one's logic or skills in arabic, but instead of one's level of understanding of reality... i.e. how much truth of the life, reality and one's own nature and being that Allah has revealed to oneself... which isn't a thing that you derive from studying the quran. Perhaps this is obvious to people, but I feel many people, traditional or not, think that the quran (or other religious sources, if you can't stick to one only) is THE source of wisdom and truth to pour from. (or perhaps I just got the wrong impression).
However, I don't really agree to this. I think it has to START with your own inner self, your maturity, the strength of your connection to Allah, your sincerity and intentions. Once your inner self is aligned with truth seeking, ACTUAL truth seeking, then you will be able to get the most wonderful things out of the quran. I guess the quran mentions this as the purity of the heart. And I also suspect out of experience that this is when you will see things very differently from the traditional interpretations. The message will become more and more whole and wonderful.

Cheers and peace all! laugh

I totally agree with you, very well said

peace

Recluse

Prayer is something that is evidenced as far back as the Torah. With Peace,

Amina

Peace Amina,

Where/what is the evidence?

unknownuser

Okay, are you referring to method of prayer or just prayer? I would be here all day long if I gave you every single example of someone praying in the first books of the Bible.

Recluse

I mean, if thousands of Muslims performed salat, isn't that enough evidence for us that prostration was part of it? If we look at all the hadith sources we see prostration mentioned. Nobody has ever doubted that prostration was part of it. Even if we ditch all hadith, prostration is still mentioned in the Qur'an, and the early Christians also prostrated.

Recluse

Verses of prostration in the Qur'an

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCNmhrMdgMI

good_logic

Peace scaredmuslimah.

You were right, about salat in the old testament , actually it was performed 3 times a day.

I also agree with Edip,Quote

The Old Testament has at least three verses referring to Contact Prayers (Sala) and they confirm this understanding. Though we may not trust the Biblical translations verbatim, we may not consider them as errors since both internal and external consistency of the Biblical passages regarding the Contact Prayers are striking.

?And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded.? (1 Samuel 2041)

?As for me, I will call upon God; and the Lord shall save me. Evening, and morning, and atnoon, will I pray, and cry aloud and he shall hear my voice.? (Psalms 5516-17) (PS crying aloud apparently means praying with passion).

?Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber towardJerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.? (Daniel 610)

Also an example of morning prayer in Psalm 5 3
" My voice shall thou hear in the morning O LORD, in the morning will I direct my prayer unto thee, and will look up."

Peace.

Zulf

One would be tempted to think that something is evidence for this or that thing simply due to the large amount of number of people that subscribe to something. It's understandable to think this way.

But then we also need to acknowledge for example what Christians believe, for example about the divinity about the character Jesus.... simply since so many people do believe in it (and has done over the ages)... so numbers don't imply correctness. Also, the quran mentions how following the majorities will lead one astray.

Peace all

GODsubmitter

One would be tempted to think that something is evidence for this or that thing simply due to the large amount of number of people that subscribe to something. It's understandable to think this way.

But then we also need to acknowledge for example what Christians believe, for example about the divinity about the character Jesus.... simply since so many people do believe in it (and has done over the ages)... so numbers don't imply correctness. Also, the quran mentions how following the majorities will lead one astray.

Peace all

Thank you @Zulf, you are right. Majority usually follows blind tradition and customs without conscience. What majority does is not proof of anything.

We have committed to Hell multitudes of jinns and humans. They have minds with which they do not understand, eyes with which they do not see, and ears with which they do not hear. They are like animals; no, they are far worse--they are totally unaware.

Same for Xtians, they do not know that Christ (Greek for Messiah) is Spirit within us, which is part of God that can "save" us from ignorance, stupidity and error.

GODsubmitter

Peace scaredmuslimah.

You were right, about salat in the old testament , actually it was performed 3 times a day.

I also agree with Edip,Quote

The Old Testament has at least three verses referring to Contact Prayers (Sala) and they confirm this understanding. Though we may not trust the Biblical translations verbatim, we may not consider them as errors since both internal and external consistency of the Biblical passages regarding the Contact Prayers are striking.

?And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded.? (1 Samuel 2041)

?As for me, I will call upon God; and the Lord shall save me. Evening, and morning, and atnoon, will I pray, and cry aloud and he shall hear my voice.? (Psalms 5516-17) (PS crying aloud apparently means praying with passion).

?Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber towardJerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.? (Daniel 610)

Also an example of morning prayer in Psalm 5 3
" My voice shall thou hear in the morning O LORD, in the morning will I direct my prayer unto thee, and will look up."

Peace.

One should know, that almost everything in the Bible, is allegorical and metaphorical. The only things that are materially performable could be taught from wise and knowledgeable Rabbis. The rest of "clerics" who approach the Bible are simply astray.

So, @good logic, you should know that those verses, as particularly ALL of the Psalms, are instructions for the meditation and inner contemplation. What prostrates is not the body, with some choreographic movements, but the spirit, and the mind, subduing the ego to reach god-conscience!

Recluse

Prostration is mentioned in the Qur'an, whether some people like it or not.

GODsubmitter

Prostration is mentioned in the Qur'an, whether some people like it or not.

But it is a spiritual prostration of the ego and persona, and not a ballet or gymnoflexes.

good_logic

Peace GODsubmitter.

It is both( Spiritual and physical)
" and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times"

Read the verses again.
Peace.

GODsubmitter

Peace @good logic,

The face can mean "persona" and the ground can mean basic teaching of god!

I do not trust Quranic translations, and I do not speak Arabic.
God finds other means to communicate with His sons!

GODsubmitter

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external forms of "prayers"

Recluse

But it is a spiritual prostration of the ego and persona, and not a ballet or gymnoflexes.

What's your evidence?

It's normal for a religion to have certain rituals as well. We have a body and a soul after all.

We are both physical and spiritual beings, we should not pretend to be God.

Wakas

salaam all,

For a detailed analysis of SuJuD please see

http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-of-SuJuD-from-Quran.html

GODsubmitter

...then I found this yes

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9R9R-ObgRs&feature=plcp

it is so funny! ...and informative...

rotfl

hawk99

Peace Godsubmitter,

sometimes we fall short, we are not perfect, and , we are not abraham the perfectionist, but we should continuously strive to be so and always depend on God's mercy in this life as well as the next.

the performance of Salat is an act of submission to God
so is the fast during the month of ramadhan
also the shahadah
and Hajj
and the conscious Zakat

Thalika waman yuAAaththim shaAAa-ira Allahi fa-innaha min taqwa alquloobi
2232] Indeed, those who reverence the rites decreed by GOD demonstrate the righteousness of their hearts.

Peace O0

unknownuser

Peace Godsubmitter,

sometimes we fall short, we are not perfect, and , we are not abraham the perfectionist, but we should continuously strive to be so and always depend on God's mercy in this life as well as the next.

the performance of Salat is an act of submission to God
so is the fast during the month of ramadhan
also the shahadah
and Hajj
and the conscious Zakat

Thalika waman yuAAaththim shaAAa-ira Allahi fa-innaha min taqwa alquloobi
2232] Indeed, those who reverence the rites decreed by GOD demonstrate the righteousness of their hearts.

Peace O0

bravo

GODsubmitter

Here we go again

Q58. Why do Muslims have to pray five times every day. Isn?t praying once a day sufficient?
Answer.

Salaah is not merely Prayer

Salaah does not merely mean to pray. According to the Oxford dictionary, ?pray? means to beseech or to ask earnestly e.g. "He prayed to be released in the court of law." It also means supplication. In other religions to pray means to beseech or to supplicate e.g. ?Our Lord! Give us this day our daily bread.? The Dua? we Muslims make after Salaah is actually our supplication.

Salaah is Programming

Salaah is much more than merely praying. In Salaah we not only ask from Allah but we also thank Him, praise Him, and at the same time receive guidance from Him. Salaah in the true sense is "programming" or conditioning.

Unlike computers humans have free will

Computers require programming because they do not have a free will of their own. Humans have their own free will and with the various kinds of evil that are present in society such as eve-teasing, cheating, bribing, robbing, alcoholism, drug addiction, obscenity, etc., there is every possibility of the human being getting deprogrammed. Thus it is compulsory that we should regularly be programmed to remain on the Siraatal Mustaqim that is, the Straight Path.

Healthy body requires 3 meals a day, spiritual soul requires 5 times Salaah a day

For a healthy body three meals a day are required. Similarly for a spiritual soul , a minimum five times Salaah is required in a day. You cannot remain healthy by having only one meal a day.

According to the Qur?an Muslims should pray minimum five times a day

According to the Qur'?n a Muslim should pray minimum five times a day. It is mentioned in

(i) Surah Hud Chapter 11 Verse 114

"And establish regular prayers at the two ends of the day and at the approaches of the night for those things that are good remove those that are evil be that the word of remembrance to those who remember (their Lord)".

(ii) Surah Al-Isra Chapter 17 Verse 78

"Establish regular prayers ? at the sun?s decline till the darkness of the night, and the morning prayer and reading for the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony".

(iii) Surah Ta-Ha Chapter 20 Verse 130

"Therefore be patient with what they say, and celebrate (constantly) the praises of thy Lord before the rising of the sun, and before its setting; Yea, celebrate them for part of the hours of the night, and at the sides of the day that thou mayest have (spiritual) joy".

(iv) Surah Rum Chapter 30 Verses 17-18

"So (give) glory to Allah, when ye reach eventide and when ye rise In the morning; Yea, to Him be praise, in the heavens and on earth; and in the late afternoon and when the day begins to decline".

(v) Timings of 5 times Salaah

The 5 daily prescribed Salaah are

Fajr ? Between the break of dawn and sunrise.

Zuhar ? After the sun reaches its highest point that is when the sun starts declining early in the afternoon till the shadow becomes twice the size of the object or till the point between noon and sunset.

Asr ? Late in the afternoon after Zuhar until sun begins to set.

Magrib ? After sunset until disappearance of twilight.

Isha ? Late in the evening or in the night after disappearance of twilight until the break of Fajr but preferably offered before midnight.

source

http//www.allaahuakbar.net/misconceptions/58.htm