My PERSONAL conclusions about salaat (contact prayer)
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...Salat is probably an inner link and subconscious bondage with God, not a ritual prayer with motions...
nice revelation that I agree with wholeheartedly... and visions/dreams with God/angels is the next step in the contact evolution wow
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It appears to me more and more, that one's understanding of the quran, and what is mentioned in the quran, does not ultimately depend on one's logic or skills in arabic, but instead of one's level of understanding of reality... i.e. how much truth of the life, reality and one's own nature and being that Allah has revealed to oneself... which isn't a thing that you derive from studying the quran. Perhaps this is obvious to people, but I feel many people, traditional or not, think that the quran (or other religious sources, if you can't stick to one only) is THE source of wisdom and truth to pour from. (or perhaps I just got the wrong impression).
However, I don't really agree to this. I think it has to START with your own inner self, your maturity, the strength of your connection to Allah, your sincerity and intentions. Once your inner self is aligned with truth seeking, ACTUAL truth seeking, then you will be able to get the most wonderful things out of the quran. I guess the quran mentions this as the purity of the heart. And I also suspect out of experience that this is when you will see things very differently from the traditional interpretations. The message will become more and more whole and wonderful.Cheers and peace all! laugh
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It appears to me more and more, that one's understanding of the quran, and what is mentioned in the quran, does not ultimately depend on one's logic or skills in arabic, but instead of one's level of understanding of reality... i.e. how much truth of the life, reality and one's own nature and being that Allah has revealed to oneself... which isn't a thing that you derive from studying the quran. Perhaps this is obvious to people, but I feel many people, traditional or not, think that the quran (or other religious sources, if you can't stick to one only) is THE source of wisdom and truth to pour from. (or perhaps I just got the wrong impression).
However, I don't really agree to this. I think it has to START with your own inner self, your maturity, the strength of your connection to Allah, your sincerity and intentions. Once your inner self is aligned with truth seeking, ACTUAL truth seeking, then you will be able to get the most wonderful things out of the quran. I guess the quran mentions this as the purity of the heart. And I also suspect out of experience that this is when you will see things very differently from the traditional interpretations. The message will become more and more whole and wonderful.Cheers and peace all! laugh
I totally agree with you, very well said
peace
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Okay, are you referring to method of prayer or just prayer? I would be here all day long if I gave you every single example of someone praying in the first books of the Bible.
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I mean, if thousands of Muslims performed salat, isn't that enough evidence for us that prostration was part of it? If we look at all the hadith sources we see prostration mentioned. Nobody has ever doubted that prostration was part of it. Even if we ditch all hadith, prostration is still mentioned in the Qur'an, and the early Christians also prostrated.
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Peace scaredmuslimah.
You were right, about salat in the old testament , actually it was performed 3 times a day.
I also agree with Edip,Quote
The Old Testament has at least three verses referring to Contact Prayers (Sala) and they confirm this understanding. Though we may not trust the Biblical translations verbatim, we may not consider them as errors since both internal and external consistency of the Biblical passages regarding the Contact Prayers are striking.
?And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded.? (1 Samuel 2041)
?As for me, I will call upon God; and the Lord shall save me. Evening, and morning, and atnoon, will I pray, and cry aloud and he shall hear my voice.? (Psalms 5516-17) (PS crying aloud apparently means praying with passion).
?Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber towardJerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.? (Daniel 610)
Also an example of morning prayer in Psalm 5 3
" My voice shall thou hear in the morning O LORD, in the morning will I direct my prayer unto thee, and will look up."Peace.
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One would be tempted to think that something is evidence for this or that thing simply due to the large amount of number of people that subscribe to something. It's understandable to think this way.
But then we also need to acknowledge for example what Christians believe, for example about the divinity about the character Jesus.... simply since so many people do believe in it (and has done over the ages)... so numbers don't imply correctness. Also, the quran mentions how following the majorities will lead one astray.
Peace all
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One would be tempted to think that something is evidence for this or that thing simply due to the large amount of number of people that subscribe to something. It's understandable to think this way.
But then we also need to acknowledge for example what Christians believe, for example about the divinity about the character Jesus.... simply since so many people do believe in it (and has done over the ages)... so numbers don't imply correctness. Also, the quran mentions how following the majorities will lead one astray.
Peace all
Thank you @Zulf, you are right. Majority usually follows blind tradition and customs without conscience. What majority does is not proof of anything.
We have committed to Hell multitudes of jinns and humans. They have minds with which they do not understand, eyes with which they do not see, and ears with which they do not hear. They are like animals; no, they are far worse--they are totally unaware.
Same for Xtians, they do not know that Christ (Greek for Messiah) is Spirit within us, which is part of God that can "save" us from ignorance, stupidity and error.
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Peace scaredmuslimah.
You were right, about salat in the old testament , actually it was performed 3 times a day.
I also agree with Edip,Quote
The Old Testament has at least three verses referring to Contact Prayers (Sala) and they confirm this understanding. Though we may not trust the Biblical translations verbatim, we may not consider them as errors since both internal and external consistency of the Biblical passages regarding the Contact Prayers are striking.
?And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded.? (1 Samuel 2041)
?As for me, I will call upon God; and the Lord shall save me. Evening, and morning, and atnoon, will I pray, and cry aloud and he shall hear my voice.? (Psalms 5516-17) (PS crying aloud apparently means praying with passion).
?Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber towardJerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.? (Daniel 610)
Also an example of morning prayer in Psalm 5 3
" My voice shall thou hear in the morning O LORD, in the morning will I direct my prayer unto thee, and will look up."Peace.
One should know, that almost everything in the Bible, is allegorical and metaphorical. The only things that are materially performable could be taught from wise and knowledgeable Rabbis. The rest of "clerics" who approach the Bible are simply astray.
So, @good logic, you should know that those verses, as particularly ALL of the Psalms, are instructions for the meditation and inner contemplation. What prostrates is not the body, with some choreographic movements, but the spirit, and the mind, subduing the ego to reach god-conscience!
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Prostration is mentioned in the Qur'an, whether some people like it or not.
But it is a spiritual prostration of the ego and persona, and not a ballet or gymnoflexes.
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Peace GODsubmitter.
It is both( Spiritual and physical)
" and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times"Read the verses again.
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Peace @good logic,
The face can mean "persona" and the ground can mean basic teaching of god!
I do not trust Quranic translations, and I do not speak Arabic.
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external forms of "prayers"
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But it is a spiritual prostration of the ego and persona, and not a ballet or gymnoflexes.
What's your evidence?
It's normal for a religion to have certain rituals as well. We have a body and a soul after all.
We are both physical and spiritual beings, we should not pretend to be God.
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...then I found this yes
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9R9R-ObgRs&feature=plcp
it is so funny! ...and informative...
rotfl
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Peace Godsubmitter,
sometimes we fall short, we are not perfect, and , we are not abraham the perfectionist, but we should continuously strive to be so and always depend on God's mercy in this life as well as the next.
the performance of Salat is an act of submission to God
so is the fast during the month of ramadhan
also the shahadah
and Hajj
and the conscious ZakatThalika waman yuAAaththim shaAAa-ira Allahi fa-innaha min taqwa alquloobi
2232] Indeed, those who reverence the rites decreed by GOD demonstrate the righteousness of their hearts.Peace O0
