Why is Abraham considered so great? wern't there others like him in the world?

Raaajah

Yes, it's of no point to elevate one messenger/prophet above another. What purpose would that have anyway? Since we are not supposed to worship them, ranking them is useless.

Correct! but Allah has ranked them and we must acknowledge that.

357

Salaam bro,

Key aayat for me is always 604

mmKhan

mmkhan That is the action Abraham took yes, but why what was the contention for taking such a hurendous action?

IAMOP

Correct! but Allah has ranked them and we must acknowledge that.

When it's said "don't make distinctions between the messengers/prophets" it's evidently in the message they give. All of them come with the same message with appropriate variations depending entirely on the nation they are delivering the message to. There is no distinction in that there is no "One God A" and "One God B" who both send messengers claiming to be the singular God.

It is inconsistent that God ranks the messengers yet tells us to treat them all as equals. No two human beings are equal and if we are to remember that 'the best of us is the most righteous of us' then there is clearly a rank between all beings and that includes the messengers/prophets.

Zulf

Whatever ranking there is would naturally only be for the purpose of showing us something, some example or lesson or insight. It would have nothing to do with the actual messengers, as they are not important in themselves... it would only be some lesson about them that would be important or beneficial for us to learn. So the focus should not be on the fact that they are differently ranked, if at all... but instead it should be on WHY they are ranked the way they are. There must be some information or lesson to be extracted from the tales about the messengers, otherwise there is absolutely no use mentioning anything about them. We don't worship messengers, so in that sense we make no difference between them... but instead we LEARN from their examples/situation.
And yes, any true message must agree with any other true message, so therefor they would be basically the same, with the same point, but perhaps from different angles. Anything else is not possible. Truth is truth.

Peace ya all

Raaajah

IAMOP

It is inconsistent that God ranks the messengers yet tells us to treat them all as equals.

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It is very important to understand how Allah gives preference to some over others, remember all of these prophets were pious and righteous, that is why they were chosen amongst billions. But still when allah says that some are preferred over others it clearly indicates that some are on higher ranks than others.
Offcourse we are told not to make distinction among them, but we must acknowledge what Allah is saying.

Message is important but the careful choice of messangers shows us that Messenger is as equal important. Without appropriate messenger message just floats in the air.

mmkhan

Whatever ranking there is would naturally only be for the purpose of showing us something, some example or lesson or insight. It would have nothing to do with the actual messengers, as they are not important in themselves... it would only be some lesson about them that would be important or beneficial for us to learn. So the focus should not be on the fact that they are differently ranked, if at all... but instead it should be on WHY they are ranked the way they are. There must be some information or lesson to be extracted from the tales about the messengers, otherwise there is absolutely no use mentioning anything about them. We don't worship messengers, so in that sense we make no difference between them... but instead we LEARN from their examples/situation.
And yes, any true message must agree with any other true message, so therefor they would be basically the same, with the same point, but perhaps from different angles. Anything else is not possible. Truth is truth.

Peace ya all

Salaam Zulf,

bravo I agree with you totally.

Rasool is always in relation to message and Nabi is always in relation to information, it has noting to do with them personally but with the message and information we get from them is important.

May Allah bless you.
mmKhan

IAMOP

Offcourse we are told not to make distinction among them, but we must acknowledge what Allah is saying.

384 - Say We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and what was given to Musa and Isa and to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.

From this verse we can see the forbidden distinction between prohets/messengers is nothing to do with their rank. A Christian will say "I believe in Jesus but Muhammad is a false prophet" and similarly a Jew will believe in Moses but disbelieve in Jesus & Muhammad. This is where the distinction is forbidden. It is the equivalent of saying "when a newer messenger comes with the truth, do not exclude him and yield to God as you did for the last messenger". Making a distinction between these makes them a sect. The 'people of the book' are still a group of muslims at the end of the day.

Student_of_Allah

Shalom aleikhem,

This reminds me of a verse from the Bible

"?Why do you call me good?? Jesus answered. ?No one is good?except God alone."

I can be wrong, but the way I always understood it was that we are all mere mortals who can rise/fall. It would be a pointless exercise to label any such mortal "great" and idolize. I see such figures as examples presented in the guidance for us. Abraham never went through what I go through, I never went through what Abraham went through. It is only in principle that we relate to each other. Abraham for me is a symbol of refusal to submit to any authority besides God, if then it makes him Great....probably all of us can be Great too.

Peace
------------ Student of Allah

Zulf

Amen

Raaajah

mmkhan

Rasool is always in relation to message and Nabi is always in relation to information, it has noting to do with them personally but with the message and information we get from them is important.

100% wrong and misguiding. Rasool and Nabi is the most important factor in this whole system.
Why first batch of people 1400 years and so in Arabia accepted the message.
What Inspired them?

May Allah keep us aware from those who try to misguide.

Student of Allah

Abraham for me is a symbol of refusal to submit to any authority besides God, if then it makes him Great....probably all of us can be Great too.

You have quoted from Bible
"?Why do you call me good?? Jesus answered. ?No one is good?except God alone."

but have failed to read the following verse of bible, similarly to those praising your statement.
Genesis 1818
"For Abraham will certainly become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth will be blessed through him.

and this

Genesis 122
"I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing

and many others.

No doubt Abraham is symbol but as an indiviual his struggle, his sacrifices, his obedience his patience got him this high status in eyes of Allah. Comparing him with ordinary persons is just a......

mmkhan

mmkhan
100% wrong and misguiding. Rasool and Nabi is the most important factor in this whole system.
Why first batch of people 1400 years and so in Arabia assepted the message.
What Inspired them?

May Allah keep us aware from those who try to misguide.

What do you understand by the meaning of words Rasool and Nabi?

1400 years? I think I heard this figure before... hmm

May Allah accept your above prayer pr
mmKhan

Raaajah

mmkhan

1400 years? I think I heard this figure before...

I think I have heared this kind of psuedo intellectual remarks before....

Come to the world of reality khan and stop denying and misguiding people.

What do I understand, by Nabi and Rasool, I had expalined it in the thread
"Praise be to Muhammad Rasol Allah"

Ameen for the prayer

NOMAD

Salaam to all peace

Keep in mindThe Arabs (al-arabu) are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely not to know the limits of what God has sent upon His messenger
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mmkhan

mmkhan

I think I have heared this kind of psuedo intellectual remarks before....

Come to the world of reality khan and stop denying and misguiding people.

Will you decide who is misguiding people? Allah is the only ONE who knows the truth about it. So, wait, I am also waiting with you for Allah to decide between us.

What do I understand, by Nabi and Rasool, I had expalined it in the thread
"Praise be to Muhammad Rasol Allah"

Ameen for the prayer

Don't you even care to give a link? hmm How rude!

Bender

mmkhan

I think I have heared this kind of psuedo intellectual remarks before....

Come to the world of reality khan and stop denying and misguiding people.

What do I understand, by Nabi and Rasool, I had expalined it in the thread
"Praise be to Muhammad Rasol Allah"
Ameen for the prayer

Salaam,

RED to quote a believing man "If he is a liar, then his lie will be upon him".

I hope no one here is trying to misguide people, but only share their point of view.
You can correct him with some verses from the Quran if you believe he is wrong, that's much better then accusing a brother in deen of misguiding others.

BLUE &
I dont know if you wrote that title but it should be 12 NOT Praise be to Muhammad Rasol Allah nope &

Salaam,
Bender

Raaajah

Salaam bender

To dive innnn without knowing details is as common as pumpkins.

BLUE
I dont know if you wrote that title but it should be 12 NOT Praise be to Muhammad Rasol Allah

PRAISE BE TO MUHAMMAD RASOOL ALLAH

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