Inheritance according to Qur?an

Noon_waalqalami

Reply 185

Peace Noon,

There is a law point. You have not replied it instead repeated the same thing. Try to find legality for your presumptive distribution on the basis of logic.

Peace Mazhar, replied to what exactly? You like posting and when ask to apply in a real case you have no answers.
Simple example -- person walking down the street has a heart-attack and dies leaves only heirs mother and father.

Please distribute according to Qur'an the deceased persons property worth $300,000?
What you suggest; consult the dead; try revive back to live, ask what to do with 2/3?

411 and to their parents (start case distribution to parents)

to each one from them the sixth from what left IF kana/is (masculine) to person walad/son (if male child)

so IF (we are still on parents) not was to person waladun/child and heirs person?s parents (if only parents alive) so to his mother the third

basic logic if only parents 1 - 1/3 mother (fixed/stated) = 2/3 father (variable/unstated)

Mazhar

Quote from Mazhar on Today at 024522 PM
Law books do not leave its provisions at the mercy of logic of people like the sniff of dogs. Unless it is described in the book that in such case 2/3 goes to father, saying so is mere presumption void of legality.

Yes they do in fact; there is a question of how would a reasonable wo/man have acted/reacted for most legal issues, including crimnal cases assessed by a jury on presumption of innocence until proven guilty according to ordinay person's logic and common sense.
Salaam

These two quotes are not relevant to each other. The second is about assessment of evidence produced, not about the provisions of law given in the law book.

Noon_waalqalami

These two quotes are not relevant to each other. The second is about assessment of evidence produced, not about the provisions of law given in the law book.

Clear evidence was already produced for you; not our fault or anyone's that you cannot grasp simple logic.

411 and to their parents (start case distribution to parents and apply IF so IF logic)

to each one from them the sixth from what left IF kana/is (masculine) to person walad/son (if male child)

so IF (we are still on parents) not was to person waladun/child and heirs person?s parents (if only parents alive) so to his mother the third

basic logic if only parents 1 - 1/3 mother (fixed/stated) = 2/3 father (variable/unstated)

$3000

$1000 or 1/3 mother
$2000 or 2/3 father

likewise apply same logic if mother & son; if father & son; etc...

1 - 1/6 mother (fixed/stated) = 5/6 son (variable/unstated)
1 - 1/6 father (fixed/stated) = 5/6 son (variable/unstated)

Mazhar

Peace Mazhar, replied to what exactly? You like posting and when ask to apply in a real case you have no answers.
Simple example -- person walking down the street has a heart-attack and dies leaves only heirs mother and father.

Please distribute according to Qur'an the deceased persons property worth $300,000?
What you suggest; consult the dead; try revive back to live, ask what to do with 2/3?

411 and to their parents (start case distribution to parents)

to each one from them the sixth from what left IF kana/is (masculine) to person walad/son (if male child)

so IF (we are still on parents) not was to person waladun/child and heirs person?s parents (if only parents alive) so to his mother the third

basic logic if only parents 1 - 1/3 mother (fixed/stated) = 2/3 father (variable/unstated)

Peace.

Proposition in above quote A person died all of a sudden, who did not have a son and has living father and mother.

Qur'aan says 1/3rd of the inheritance after discharging his outstanding liabilities is the inalienable right of his mother-not subject to alteration whatever might be the ground realities, reduced to 1/6th if he has sisterd and brothers.

Allah the Exalted has not touched the remaining amount. Sudden death of a man does not imply that now there is none including Courts to decide about the portion regarding which the dead man had the authority to disburse according to his judgment amongst his father and other nearones.
People of family of good repute have the right to modify the Will of the deceased. Why your logic does not accept that they have also the right to decide in case of sudden death without Will?

Who would adjudge to accept the claims of people about outstanding liabilities of the dead man and pay them off from the left property?

Noon_waalqalami

Peace.

Proposition in above quote A person died all of a sudden, who did not have a son and has living father and mother.

Qur'aan says 1/3rd of the inheritance after discharging his outstanding liabilities is the inalienable right of his mother-not subject to alteration whatever might be the ground realities, reduced to 1/6th if he has sisterd and brothers.

Allah the Exalted has not touched the remaining amount. Sudden death of a man does not imply that now there is none including Courts to decide about the portion regarding which the dead man had the authority to disburse according to his judgment amongst his father and other nearones.
People of family of good repute have the right to modify the Will of the deceased. Why your logic does not accept that they have also the right to decide in case of sudden death without Will?

Who would adjudge to accept the claims of people about outstanding liabilities of the dead man and pay them off from the left property?

Peace -- why are you mindlessly ranting and conjecturing?

Simple freaking case "ONLY" parents; no body else is left other than the "parents" -- distribute the freaking shares!

Mazhar

Peace -- why are you mindlessly ranting and conjecturing?

Conjecturing is this, to an extent of turning ears deaf to listen to the commands of Qur'aam.

Quote from Mazhar on August 05, 2012, 101237 AM
But brother why you conveniently forget that in all the three Verses where Allah the Exalted assigns shares to particular persons in particular situations, the Bequest is the integral part at all places?

Quote from Mazhar on August 05, 2012, 102133 AM
Thereby, acording to your variable formula, if there is a Will, the Verses are not to be applied. Are you suggesting this?

Quote of Noon

Peace, I forget nothing! 411 ... from (means to subtract) after a will have made in it or judgment

1 - 100% (if left will to distribute the whole) = 0% amount to be distributed
1 - 0% (if deceased has left no will at all) = 100% amount to be distributed

The Oral Bequest in favour of the Mother and Father and the relatively Near Blood relatives, in accordance with the well known norms, has been prescribed-decreed upon you at the point in time when the natural death has approached someone of you people, in case he is leaving behind worldly wealth.
This is mandatory-incumbent upon people who are cautious, heedful and mindful in reverence and fear of Allah the Exalted.

However, in case one apprehended inclination or evident injustice by a testator, thereby if he struck a correction amongst them-the beneficiaries and affected party, there shall at all be no blame upon him .
It is a fact that Allah the Exalted is oft the Forgiving-Overlooking, the fountain of Mercy.

Man has left worldly wealth.

Left wealth - Outstanding liabilities of the deceased = Divisible Inheritance

Divisible Inheritance = 1

a) The shares cut and apportioned by Allah the Exalted from Divisible Inheritance = X
It is called by Allah . Inalienable and unalterable part cut and apportioned by Allah the Exalted.

b) Divisible Inheritance - X = Y

c) X + Y=1 . + [/size
Allah the Exalted has covered all possible situations that could exist on ground relating to many many combinations of relatively nearer relatives. Relativity keep shifting to the remotest relationship step by step for which reason Comparitive Noun is used for .

The past conjecturists invented myth of Nasikh and Mansukh. You have gone one step further by declaring the Ayah giving Mandatory Shares apportioned by Allah the Exalted as redundant in case the man left a Will.

Noon_waalqalami

Conjecturing is this, to an extent of turning ears deaf to listen to the commands of Qur'aam.

Mazhar, first we have to determine if you have a functioning brain.

This is very simple and can get no simpler -- distribute inheritance

case a. mother and father
mother gets 1/3 and father gets what? hint hint there is exactly 2/3 left!

case b. mother and son
mother gets 1/6 and son gets what? hint hint there is exactly 5/6 left!

Until you answer the above simple brain test everything that you write is irrelevant.
Now there are two options for people to consider in your stubbornness, no answer

you are very dumb and a complete ignorant; probably not case
you are too proud to admit an error and on a pompous ego trip

Mazhar

Mazhar, first we have to determine if you have a functioning brain.

This is very simple and can get no simpler -- distribute inheritance

case a. mother and father
mother gets 1/3 and father gets what? hint hint there is exactly 2/3 left!

case b. mother and son
mother gets 1/6 and son gets what? hint hint there is exactly 5/6 left!

Until you answer the above simple brain test everything that you write is irrelevant.
Now there are two options for people to consider in your stubbornness, no answer

you are very dumb and a complete ignorant; probably not case
you are too proud to admit an error and on a pompous ego trip

Such stupid propositions can emerge only in a thoughtless brain.
You are presuming as if only three persons are living on Mars, and son died leaving behind a father and mother.
No person on Earth dies or will die without there being his and to benefit from the left wealth, in order of nearness.

When logic assumes a style of stubborn idiocyncracy, people become blind in addition to deaf ears. Allah the Exalted is more knowledgable what situations can occur on ground. Find your proposition a nonsense thought in vacuum

And We have declared relatives and under patronage persons, in order of relative nearness, for each excluding none deceased man and woman, to benefit partially in that which the Mother and Father, and relatively Nearer Relatives have left behind.
Take note about those whom your right hand had pledged responsibility, therefore, you people grant them their payable obligation-fortune in the inheritance.

Noon_waalqalami

Such stupid propositions can emerge only in a thoughtless brain.
You are presuming as if only three persons are living on Mars, and son died leaving behind a father and mother.

I'm not presuming and that is exactly the case; person leaves only inheritors

case a. father and son 1 - 1/6 father (fixed) = 5/6 son (variable/unstated)
case b. mother and son 1 - 1/6 mother (fixed) = 5/6 son (variable/unstated)
case c. mother and father 1 - 1/3 mother (fixed) = 2/3 father (variable/unstated)
case d. mother and brother 1 - 1/6 mother (fixed) = 5/6 brother (variable/unstated)

Therefore, since you cannot answer simple questions or refuse to answer; we are left to decide...

if you are a complete idiot?
if you are a stubborn idiot?
if you are a human being?

Logic is not for you since you are wired different and only write needlessly long grammatical expositions of clear, short, precise verses, and instructions; evident when you could not comprehend a simple concept of an IF statement like...

?IF only parents give to the mother 1/3? then you asked from where the father gets 2/3?

Duh!

The difference between humans of intellect and the cattle can be described as such...

The dog pursues a scent and comes to a fork in the road.
The dog sniffs false the 1st path.
The dog will not reason IF NOT 1st THEN logically it's the 2nd!
The dog will need to sniff the 2nd as well to have it register!

Mazhar

Reply 197

I'm not presuming and that is exactly the case; person leaves only inheritors

case a. father and son 1 - 1/6 father (fixed) = 5/6 son (variable/unstated)
case b. mother and son 1 - 1/6 mother (fixed) = 5/6 son (variable/unstated)
case c. mother and father 1 - 1/3 mother (fixed) = 2/3 father (variable/unstated)
case d. mother and brother 1 - 1/6 mother (fixed) = 5/6 brother (variable/unstated)

Therefore, since you cannot answer simple questions or refuse to answer; we are left to decide...

if you are a complete idiot?
if you are a stubborn idiot?
if you are a human being?

What about the Ayah quoted in Reply 196. Do you not accept it to be the Word of Allah?
For your information and both are Plural and in Arabic Waladain is dual not plural-two active participles who participated for the birth of their offspring.
Allah the Exalted says they are plural in number-three minimum and above who will benefit from inheritance of deceased but you are insisting they are only two in all your above imaginary cases a to d.

Noon_waalqalami

Reply 197

What about the Ayah quoted in Reply 196. Do you not accept it to be the Word of Allah?
For your information and both are Plural and in Arabic Waladain is dual not plural-two active participles who participated for the birth of their offspring.
Allah the Exalted says they are plural in number-three minimum and above who will benefit from inheritance of deceased but you are insisting they are only two in all your above imaginary cases a to d.

What about it?

432 and not covet what favored The God with it some of you over some/others to the men a share from what they earned and to the women a share from what they earned and ask The God from His bounty indeed The God is in every a thing Knowing
433 and for all We made heirs from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who aqadat pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

It shows that you cannot read or comprehend a simple thing!

IF ONLY two relatives left -- do you think that is not possible?

case mother and father 1 - 1/3 mother (fixed/stated) = 2/3 father (variable/unstated)

Who is the third -- you, perhaps your housemaid, or the dog?

Mazhar

Quote from Mazhar on Today at 092859 AM

Reply 197

What about the Ayah quoted in Reply 196. Do you not accept it to be the Word of Allah?
For your information and both are Plural and in Arabic Waladain is dual not plural-two active participles who participated for the birth of their offspring.
Allah the Exalted says they are plural in number-three minimum and above who will benefit from inheritance of deceased but you are insisting they are only two in all your above imaginary cases a to d. Mazhar

What about it?

432 and not covet what favored The God with it some of you over some/others to the men a share from what they earned and to the women a share from what they earned and ask The God from His bounty indeed The God is in every a thing Knowing
433 and for all We made heirs from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who aqadat pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

It shows that you cannot read or comprehend a simple thing!

IF ONLY two relatives left -- do you think that is not possible?

case mother and father 1 - 1/3 mother (fixed/stated) = 2/3 father (variable/unstated)

Who is the third -- you, perhaps your housemaid, or the dog?

There is never contradiction about any thing in Qur'aan.

Plural

There will never be two, always Plural, three and more. Is it not a simple thing?

In view of Allah the Exalted saying there are plural, your assumption is conjectural

I'm not presuming and that is exactly the case; person leaves only inheritors

case a. father and son 1 - 1/6 father (fixed) = 5/6 son (variable/unstated)
case b. mother and son 1 - 1/6 mother (fixed) = 5/6 son (variable/unstated)
case c. mother and father 1 - 1/3 mother (fixed) = 2/3 father (variable/unstated)
case d. mother and brother 1 - 1/6 mother (fixed) = 5/6 brother (variable/unstated)

Noon_waalqalami

Quote from Mazhar on Today at 092859 AM
There will never be two, always Plural, three and more. Is it not a simple thing?

You are clueless! Think before you post! According to you it's impossible for there to be only two heirs?

Mazhar

You are clueless! Think before you post! According to you it's impossible for there to be only two heirs?

Quote authority--only of Qur'aan.

Noon_waalqalami

Quote authority--only of Qur'aan.

You confusing verses addressing plural three or more, saying two is not applicable or possible is ridiculous!
We need only find case anywhere in the world two heirs to prove your nonsense incorrect reading of verse.

411 ... and heirs person?s parents (if only parents) so to his mother the third

You are done! Only two heirs mentioned!

433 and for all We made mawliya heirs
195 and indeed I fear al-mawliya the heirs from after me

Likewise, he was praying for what; three or more heirs or will not one suffice?

I'll advise once again unless you have something to contribute don't spam this thread with nonsense.

People are still waiting for you to distribute....

case mother and father
case mother and son

If you cannot or are too stubborn and refuse perhaps I'll have my little 10 year old nephew teach you.

Mazhar

You confusing verses addressing plural three or more, saying two is not applicable or possible is ridiculous!
We need only find case anywhere in the world two heirs to prove your nonsense incorrect reading of verse.

411 ... and heirs person?s parents (if only parents) so to his mother the third

You are done! Only two heirs mentioned!

What an evidence!!! Only one third, who will get the remaining two third?

Now again read the verdict of Allah the Exalted and ask your nephew if he knows Arabic to make you understand.

If he knows even elementary Arabic, he might tell you something about that this indefinite noun knows no exception in all the population of the world.

Every person with no exception has plural--three and above.

Why are you defying the declarative statement of Allah the Exalted only to stick to your nonsense matehmatical gimmicks?

Noon_waalqalami

What an evidence!!! Only one third, who will get the remaining two third?

You're babbling!

Only idiots will not understand if two people and if one gets 1/3 the other gets remaining 2/3!

How you can insert Allah in your every other post to such nonsense and stupidity is obscene!

Noon_waalqalami

Thread is distributing shares according to Qur'an; either provide alternative distributions or stop spamming!

Here are all combinations for reference; obviously sole inheritor gets the whole, no need for arbitration laws.

411 directs you The God in your children to the male like share the two (feminine)...

son/s + daughter/s distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 1

411 ... so if kunna/are nisa above two falahunna/so to them (feminine plural) thulutha (2/3) what left

and if kanat/is (feminine) one so to her the half

and to their parents to each one from them the sixth from what left if kana/is (masculine) to person walad/son (if male child/born)

so if not was to person waladun/offspring/child born and heirs person?s parents (if only parents) so to his mother the third

so if kana/is (masculine singular) to person ikh'wat (if male sibling/brother) so to his mother the sixth

from after a will have made in it or judgment your fathers and your children not you know which of them closer to you benefit obligation from The God indeed The God is Knowing Wise

1 father + 0 sibling/s = 1

1/3 mother + 2/3 father = 1
1/6 mother + 5/6 brother/s = 1

1/6 mother/father + 5/6 son/s = 1
1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 2/3 son/s = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 mother/father = 1
2 daughters + mother/father equally = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 mother/father = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/4 mother + 1/4 father = 1
2 daughters + mother + father all equally = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 father = 1

1/6 mother/father + 5/6 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

411 kalalah fatherless and spouseless no son (sibling/s variable/unstated)
1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 (mother + sister/s) = 1
1 daughter 1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/3 brother/s = 1
1 daughter 1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/3 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

2 daughters + mother + sister/s (all share equally) = 1
2 daughters + brother/s 5/6 share equally + 1/6 mother = 1
2 daughters + brother/s + sister/s 5/6 share equally + 1/6 mother = 1

3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 (mother + sister/s) = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 brother/s = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 sister/s = 1
1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 brother/s = 1
1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

2 daughters + sister/s = 1
2 daughters + brother/s = 1
2 daughters + sister/s + brother/s = 1

3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 sister/s = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 brother/s = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

412 and to you half what left your spouse?s if not was to them waladun/offspring/child

so if kana is (masculine) to them walad/son (if is male child/born) so to you the fourth

from what they left from after a will they made in it or judgment

and to them the fourth from what you left if not was to you waladun/offspring/child

so if kana is (masculine) to you walad/son (i.e. if to person male child/born) falahunna/so to them the eight

from what you left from after a will you made in it or judgment...

1 spouse + 0 sibling/s = 1

1/4 husband + 3/4 son/s = 1
1/8 wife + 7/8 son/s = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 spouse = 1
2 daughters + spouse equally = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 spouse = 1

1/2 husband + 1/2 mother/father = 1
1/4 wife + 3/4 mother/father = 1

1/2 husband + 1/4 mother + 1/4 father = 1
1/4 wife + 3/8 mother + 3/8 father = 1

1/6 mother/father + 1/4 husband + 7/12 son/s = 1
1/6 mother/father + 1/8 wife + 17/24 son/s = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/4 mother/father + 1/4 spouse = 1
2 daughters + mother/father + spouse all equally = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother/father + 1/6 spouse = 1

1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/4 husband + 5/12 son/s = 1
1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/8 wife + 13/24 son/s = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/6 spouse = 1
2 daughters + mother + father + spouse (share equally) = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/9 mother + 1/9 father + 1/9 spouse = 1

1/4 husband + 3/4 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

1/6 mother/father + 1/4 husband + 7/12 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
1/6 mother/father + 1/8 wife + 17/24 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/4 husband + 5/12 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 2/3 children mixed (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

412 kalalah fatherless and spouseless has son; sibling/s fixed at 1/6 or 1/3
412 .. and if is a man inherited kalalah (no crown/head of household; fatherless and spouseless) or woman

and has brother or sister so to each one from them the sixth

so if they were greater from that so they partners in the third

from after a will is recommended in it or judgment not harmful a will from The God and The God Knowing Forbearing

1/6 sister/brother + 5/6 son/s = 1
1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 2/3 son/s = 1

1/6 sister/brother + 5/6 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 2/3 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

1/6 mother + 1/6 sister/brother + 2/3 son/s = 1
1/6 mother + 1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 1/2 son/s = 1

1/6 mother + 1/6 sister/brother + 2/3 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
1/6 mother + 1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 1/2 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

4176 al-kalalah the fatherless and spouseless no offspring/child born
4176 they seek your ruling say The God gives you a ruling in al-kalalah (the fatherless and spouseless; deceased left no crown/head of household)

if person died is not to person waladun/offspring/child and has sister so to her half what left and he inherits it if not was to her waladun/offspring/child

so if they were two (feminine) so to them the third twice (2/3) from what left

and if they were ikh'watun/siblings rijal wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine)

clarifies The God to you lest you stray and The God in every a thing Knowing

1 sister 1/2 + 1/2 mother = 1
2 sisters 2/3 (1/3 each) + 1/3 mother = 1
3 sisters (1/4 each x 3) + 1/4 mother = 1

sister/s + brother/s distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 1
1/6 mother + 5/6 (sister/s + brother/s) distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 1

Mazhar

Again mathematical gimmick without quoting legal provision.
You do not attend the declarative statement of Allah the Exalted and start calling its mention as nonsense and stupidity obscene. Explore why such verdict giving Ayah is causing irritation to you--- because they compel you to accept your stupidity of arriving at what you repeatedly reproduce mathematics but selfish ego does not permit it---hence irritation and outburst.

Noon, sincerely advise you to consult someone for psycho checkup before it is too late like 19 gimmicks of Rashad Khalifa that veiled his intellect.

Mazhar

Let me make a final attempt to try dissolving clot that got developed in your brain on this issue

Mind it this declaration is about the INHERITANCE left behind by the father and mother and near relatives.

Every person with no exception has plural--three and above. And look at the beauty of narration in Qur'aan that it has not left mention of those who must be taken into consideration while distributing that part of wealth left to the discretionary Will of the dying wealthy person. The possibility of ignoring who are otherwise weakest within the ambit of is mentioned seperately after it.

This is Imperative-a command of Allah the Exalted. Your mathematic equation lengthy gimmick forget to give them their due share.