Inheritance according to Qur?an

Mazhar

Reply 197

I'm not presuming and that is exactly the case; person leaves only inheritors

case a. father and son 1 - 1/6 father (fixed) = 5/6 son (variable/unstated)
case b. mother and son 1 - 1/6 mother (fixed) = 5/6 son (variable/unstated)
case c. mother and father 1 - 1/3 mother (fixed) = 2/3 father (variable/unstated)
case d. mother and brother 1 - 1/6 mother (fixed) = 5/6 brother (variable/unstated)

Therefore, since you cannot answer simple questions or refuse to answer; we are left to decide...

if you are a complete idiot?
if you are a stubborn idiot?
if you are a human being?

What about the Ayah quoted in Reply 196. Do you not accept it to be the Word of Allah?
For your information and both are Plural and in Arabic Waladain is dual not plural-two active participles who participated for the birth of their offspring.
Allah the Exalted says they are plural in number-three minimum and above who will benefit from inheritance of deceased but you are insisting they are only two in all your above imaginary cases a to d.

Noon_waalqalami

Reply 197

What about the Ayah quoted in Reply 196. Do you not accept it to be the Word of Allah?
For your information and both are Plural and in Arabic Waladain is dual not plural-two active participles who participated for the birth of their offspring.
Allah the Exalted says they are plural in number-three minimum and above who will benefit from inheritance of deceased but you are insisting they are only two in all your above imaginary cases a to d.

What about it?

432 and not covet what favored The God with it some of you over some/others to the men a share from what they earned and to the women a share from what they earned and ask The God from His bounty indeed The God is in every a thing Knowing
433 and for all We made heirs from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who aqadat pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

It shows that you cannot read or comprehend a simple thing!

IF ONLY two relatives left -- do you think that is not possible?

case mother and father 1 - 1/3 mother (fixed/stated) = 2/3 father (variable/unstated)

Who is the third -- you, perhaps your housemaid, or the dog?

Mazhar

Quote from Mazhar on Today at 092859 AM

Reply 197

What about the Ayah quoted in Reply 196. Do you not accept it to be the Word of Allah?
For your information and both are Plural and in Arabic Waladain is dual not plural-two active participles who participated for the birth of their offspring.
Allah the Exalted says they are plural in number-three minimum and above who will benefit from inheritance of deceased but you are insisting they are only two in all your above imaginary cases a to d. Mazhar

What about it?

432 and not covet what favored The God with it some of you over some/others to the men a share from what they earned and to the women a share from what they earned and ask The God from His bounty indeed The God is in every a thing Knowing
433 and for all We made heirs from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who aqadat pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

It shows that you cannot read or comprehend a simple thing!

IF ONLY two relatives left -- do you think that is not possible?

case mother and father 1 - 1/3 mother (fixed/stated) = 2/3 father (variable/unstated)

Who is the third -- you, perhaps your housemaid, or the dog?

There is never contradiction about any thing in Qur'aan.

Plural

There will never be two, always Plural, three and more. Is it not a simple thing?

In view of Allah the Exalted saying there are plural, your assumption is conjectural

I'm not presuming and that is exactly the case; person leaves only inheritors

case a. father and son 1 - 1/6 father (fixed) = 5/6 son (variable/unstated)
case b. mother and son 1 - 1/6 mother (fixed) = 5/6 son (variable/unstated)
case c. mother and father 1 - 1/3 mother (fixed) = 2/3 father (variable/unstated)
case d. mother and brother 1 - 1/6 mother (fixed) = 5/6 brother (variable/unstated)

Noon_waalqalami

Quote from Mazhar on Today at 092859 AM
There will never be two, always Plural, three and more. Is it not a simple thing?

You are clueless! Think before you post! According to you it's impossible for there to be only two heirs?

Mazhar

You are clueless! Think before you post! According to you it's impossible for there to be only two heirs?

Quote authority--only of Qur'aan.

Noon_waalqalami

Quote authority--only of Qur'aan.

You confusing verses addressing plural three or more, saying two is not applicable or possible is ridiculous!
We need only find case anywhere in the world two heirs to prove your nonsense incorrect reading of verse.

411 ... and heirs person?s parents (if only parents) so to his mother the third

You are done! Only two heirs mentioned!

433 and for all We made mawliya heirs
195 and indeed I fear al-mawliya the heirs from after me

Likewise, he was praying for what; three or more heirs or will not one suffice?

I'll advise once again unless you have something to contribute don't spam this thread with nonsense.

People are still waiting for you to distribute....

case mother and father
case mother and son

If you cannot or are too stubborn and refuse perhaps I'll have my little 10 year old nephew teach you.

Mazhar

You confusing verses addressing plural three or more, saying two is not applicable or possible is ridiculous!
We need only find case anywhere in the world two heirs to prove your nonsense incorrect reading of verse.

411 ... and heirs person?s parents (if only parents) so to his mother the third

You are done! Only two heirs mentioned!

What an evidence!!! Only one third, who will get the remaining two third?

Now again read the verdict of Allah the Exalted and ask your nephew if he knows Arabic to make you understand.

If he knows even elementary Arabic, he might tell you something about that this indefinite noun knows no exception in all the population of the world.

Every person with no exception has plural--three and above.

Why are you defying the declarative statement of Allah the Exalted only to stick to your nonsense matehmatical gimmicks?

Noon_waalqalami

What an evidence!!! Only one third, who will get the remaining two third?

You're babbling!

Only idiots will not understand if two people and if one gets 1/3 the other gets remaining 2/3!

How you can insert Allah in your every other post to such nonsense and stupidity is obscene!

Noon_waalqalami

Thread is distributing shares according to Qur'an; either provide alternative distributions or stop spamming!

Here are all combinations for reference; obviously sole inheritor gets the whole, no need for arbitration laws.

411 directs you The God in your children to the male like share the two (feminine)...

son/s + daughter/s distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 1

411 ... so if kunna/are nisa above two falahunna/so to them (feminine plural) thulutha (2/3) what left

and if kanat/is (feminine) one so to her the half

and to their parents to each one from them the sixth from what left if kana/is (masculine) to person walad/son (if male child/born)

so if not was to person waladun/offspring/child born and heirs person?s parents (if only parents) so to his mother the third

so if kana/is (masculine singular) to person ikh'wat (if male sibling/brother) so to his mother the sixth

from after a will have made in it or judgment your fathers and your children not you know which of them closer to you benefit obligation from The God indeed The God is Knowing Wise

1 father + 0 sibling/s = 1

1/3 mother + 2/3 father = 1
1/6 mother + 5/6 brother/s = 1

1/6 mother/father + 5/6 son/s = 1
1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 2/3 son/s = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 mother/father = 1
2 daughters + mother/father equally = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 mother/father = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/4 mother + 1/4 father = 1
2 daughters + mother + father all equally = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 father = 1

1/6 mother/father + 5/6 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

411 kalalah fatherless and spouseless no son (sibling/s variable/unstated)
1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 (mother + sister/s) = 1
1 daughter 1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/3 brother/s = 1
1 daughter 1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/3 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

2 daughters + mother + sister/s (all share equally) = 1
2 daughters + brother/s 5/6 share equally + 1/6 mother = 1
2 daughters + brother/s + sister/s 5/6 share equally + 1/6 mother = 1

3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 (mother + sister/s) = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 brother/s = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 sister/s = 1
1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 brother/s = 1
1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

2 daughters + sister/s = 1
2 daughters + brother/s = 1
2 daughters + sister/s + brother/s = 1

3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 sister/s = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 brother/s = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

412 and to you half what left your spouse?s if not was to them waladun/offspring/child

so if kana is (masculine) to them walad/son (if is male child/born) so to you the fourth

from what they left from after a will they made in it or judgment

and to them the fourth from what you left if not was to you waladun/offspring/child

so if kana is (masculine) to you walad/son (i.e. if to person male child/born) falahunna/so to them the eight

from what you left from after a will you made in it or judgment...

1 spouse + 0 sibling/s = 1

1/4 husband + 3/4 son/s = 1
1/8 wife + 7/8 son/s = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 spouse = 1
2 daughters + spouse equally = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 spouse = 1

1/2 husband + 1/2 mother/father = 1
1/4 wife + 3/4 mother/father = 1

1/2 husband + 1/4 mother + 1/4 father = 1
1/4 wife + 3/8 mother + 3/8 father = 1

1/6 mother/father + 1/4 husband + 7/12 son/s = 1
1/6 mother/father + 1/8 wife + 17/24 son/s = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/4 mother/father + 1/4 spouse = 1
2 daughters + mother/father + spouse all equally = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother/father + 1/6 spouse = 1

1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/4 husband + 5/12 son/s = 1
1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/8 wife + 13/24 son/s = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/6 spouse = 1
2 daughters + mother + father + spouse (share equally) = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/9 mother + 1/9 father + 1/9 spouse = 1

1/4 husband + 3/4 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

1/6 mother/father + 1/4 husband + 7/12 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
1/6 mother/father + 1/8 wife + 17/24 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/4 husband + 5/12 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 2/3 children mixed (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

412 kalalah fatherless and spouseless has son; sibling/s fixed at 1/6 or 1/3
412 .. and if is a man inherited kalalah (no crown/head of household; fatherless and spouseless) or woman

and has brother or sister so to each one from them the sixth

so if they were greater from that so they partners in the third

from after a will is recommended in it or judgment not harmful a will from The God and The God Knowing Forbearing

1/6 sister/brother + 5/6 son/s = 1
1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 2/3 son/s = 1

1/6 sister/brother + 5/6 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 2/3 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

1/6 mother + 1/6 sister/brother + 2/3 son/s = 1
1/6 mother + 1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 1/2 son/s = 1

1/6 mother + 1/6 sister/brother + 2/3 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
1/6 mother + 1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 1/2 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

4176 al-kalalah the fatherless and spouseless no offspring/child born
4176 they seek your ruling say The God gives you a ruling in al-kalalah (the fatherless and spouseless; deceased left no crown/head of household)

if person died is not to person waladun/offspring/child and has sister so to her half what left and he inherits it if not was to her waladun/offspring/child

so if they were two (feminine) so to them the third twice (2/3) from what left

and if they were ikh'watun/siblings rijal wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine)

clarifies The God to you lest you stray and The God in every a thing Knowing

1 sister 1/2 + 1/2 mother = 1
2 sisters 2/3 (1/3 each) + 1/3 mother = 1
3 sisters (1/4 each x 3) + 1/4 mother = 1

sister/s + brother/s distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 1
1/6 mother + 5/6 (sister/s + brother/s) distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 1

Mazhar

Again mathematical gimmick without quoting legal provision.
You do not attend the declarative statement of Allah the Exalted and start calling its mention as nonsense and stupidity obscene. Explore why such verdict giving Ayah is causing irritation to you--- because they compel you to accept your stupidity of arriving at what you repeatedly reproduce mathematics but selfish ego does not permit it---hence irritation and outburst.

Noon, sincerely advise you to consult someone for psycho checkup before it is too late like 19 gimmicks of Rashad Khalifa that veiled his intellect.

Mazhar

Let me make a final attempt to try dissolving clot that got developed in your brain on this issue

Mind it this declaration is about the INHERITANCE left behind by the father and mother and near relatives.

Every person with no exception has plural--three and above. And look at the beauty of narration in Qur'aan that it has not left mention of those who must be taken into consideration while distributing that part of wealth left to the discretionary Will of the dying wealthy person. The possibility of ignoring who are otherwise weakest within the ambit of is mentioned seperately after it.

This is Imperative-a command of Allah the Exalted. Your mathematic equation lengthy gimmick forget to give them their due share.

Noon_waalqalami

Noon, sincerely advise you to consult someone for psycho checkup before it is too late like 19 gimmicks of Rashad Khalifa that veiled his intellect.

Mazhar, you are a moron! Your reading is wrong! We know these heirs exist!

mother, father
mother, son
mother, daughter
mother, sister
mother, brother
mother, spouse
father, son
father, daughter
father, sister
father, brother
father, spouse
son, daughter
son, sister
son, brother

Until you answer the above and admit your error everything you write on any subject will dismissed as a moronic rant!

Mazhar

Mazhar, you are a moron! Your reading is wrong! We know these heirs exist!

Who denies their existance? The only thing that you are not allowing to enter your brain is that they exist not in isolation somewhere unknown place, but exist alongwith others becoming plural beneficiaries as is declared by Allah the Exalted.

You are ignoring Verses of Qur'aan deliberately as if they were not the part of speech on Inheritance. Rk had also done this while juggling with digits.

Noon_waalqalami

Who denies their existance?

You are! Totally misreading the verse attributing your stupidity and ignorance to Qur'an!

Now distribute below inheritance admit your error or you can choose to run away like a coward!

mother, father
mother, son
mother, daughter
mother, sister
mother, brother
mother, wife
mother, husband
father, son
father, daughter
father, sister
father, brother
father, wife
father, husband
son, daughter
son, sister
son, brother
son, wife
son, husband
daughter, sister
daughter, brother
daughter, wife
daughter, husband
sister, brother
sister, wife
sister, husband
brother, wife
brother, husband

Mazhar

You are! Totally misreading the verse attributing your stupidity and ignorance to Qur'an!

If I am misreading it, you please educate me how you correctly read it and share your knowledgable understanding of its perception.

I will be obliged.

Noon_waalqalami

If I am misreading it, you please educate me how you correctly read it and share your knowledgable understanding of its perception.

I will be obliged.

OK I'll be happy to...

433 and for all (i.e. each individual) We made heirs (i.e. eligible to inherit) from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

The above is simply stating that each individual is eligible to inherit from what left their parents, and their close relatives (i.e. their children, brothers, sisters); their spouse, etc. and does not say or suggest as you incorrectly inferred earlier that every deceased person will have minimum of three heirs.

It is a known fact that in reality there are numerous people who died or who are going to die will leave no heirs, only one heir, or only two heirs ? simply look at those around you Mazhar including most probably yourself. Therefore, your reading of the verse is incorrect, contradicts reality, and is easily proven false.

Also consider the request made and granted ...
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=19&verse=5

Peace!

Mazhar

OK I'll be happy to...

433 and for all (i.e. each individual) We made heirs (i.e. eligible to inherit) from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

The above is simply stating that each individual is eligible to inherit from what left their parents, and their close relatives (i.e. their children, brothers, sisters); their spouse, etc. and does not say or suggest as you incorrectly inferred earlier that every deceased person will have minimum of three heirs.

It is a known fact that in reality there are numerous people who died or who are going to die will leave no heirs, only one heir, or only two heirs ? simply look at those around you Mazhar including most probably yourself. Therefore, your reading of the verse is incorrect, contradicts reality, and is easily proven false.

Also consider the request made and granted ...
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=19&verse=5

Peace!

The translation and inference do not correspond to each other. In translation you say, "for all individuals We made heirs". And heirs are those who are eligible to inherit.
In your translation, "each" individual and "heirs" are two different entities.

In the inference you say each individual is eligible to inherit.

Please reconcile.

Noon_waalqalami

The translation and inference do not correspond to each other. In translation you say, "for all individuals We made heirs". And heirs are those who are eligible to inherit.
In your translation, "each" individual and "heirs" are two different entities.

In the inference you say each individual is eligible to inherit.

Please reconcile.

I see, fixated on grammar invented 100 years ago not reading context and avoiding contradictions?

6132 and to each (individual; noun) degrees from what they did (plural) and not your Lord unaware of what they did (plural)

433 and to each (individual; noun) We made/appointed heirs (plural) from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them (plural) their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

Once again individuals are made/appointed/entitled as heirs from what left their parents, etc. and not as you infer/read that each individual is guaranteed three or more heirs which is easily proven a false reading and a contradiction simply by finding only one case since the beginning of humanity (~ 57 million people leave us each year or ~155,000 each day) where someone died and left less than three heirs or simply examine each kalalah case ...

4176 they seek your ruling say The God gives you a ruling in al-kalalah

Mazhar

Quote from Mazhar on Today at 033838 AM
The translation and inference do not correspond to each other. In translation you say, "for all individuals We made heirs". And heirs are those who are eligible to inherit.
In your translation, "each" individual and "heirs" are two different entities.

In the inference you say each individual is eligible to inherit.

Please reconcile.

I see, fixated on grammar invented 100 years ago not reading context and avoiding contradictions?

6132 and to each (individual; noun) degrees from what they did (plural) and not your Lord unaware of what they did (plural)

433 and to each (individual; noun) We made/appointed heirs (plural) from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them (plural) their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

Once again individuals are made/appointed/entitled as heirs from what left their parents, etc. and not as you infer/read that each individual is guaranteed three or more heirs which is easily proven a false reading and a contradiction simply by finding only one case since the beginning of humanity (~ 57 million people leave us each year or ~155,000 each day) where someone died and left less than three heirs or simply examine each kalalah case ...

4176 they seek your ruling say The God gives you a ruling in al-kalalah

Just yesterday you said this

OK I'll be happy to...

433 and for all (i.e. each individual) We made heirs (i.e. eligible to inherit) from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

The above is simply stating that each individual is eligible to inherit from what left their parents, and their close relatives (i.e. their children, brothers, sisters); their spouse, etc. and does not say or suggest as you incorrectly inferred earlier that every deceased person will have minimum of three heirs.

English preposition "for" which you used yesterday, correctly for Arabic preposition "Li", but today you have replaced it by "to". Are both prepositions "synonym"?

Noon_waalqalami

Please reconcile.

Just yesterday you said this
English preposition "for" which you used yesterday, correctly for Arabic preposition "Li", but today you have replaced it by "to". Are both prepositions "synonym"?

Peace Mazhar,

Regardless if using to/for, each/all does not change the basic meaning or the fact that your reading is erroneous.

I'm in process of carefully studying each word which there are ~ 77,797 in Qur'an to find the best non-contradicting and consistent meaning unlike most translations/translators who are careless, too lazy, inconsistent, contradictory, and often insert their own bizarre fetishes like you inserting housemaids.

It's a work in progress and today after having a look at all usages decided best/closest to render as such.

433 and to each We made/appointed heirs from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

Use "for" if you like...

2148 and to/for each
6132 and to/for each
734 and to/for each tribe/nation a term
1047 and to/for each tribe/nation a messenger
137 and to/for each community a guide
2234 and to/for each tribe/nation We made/appointed a rite
4619 and to/for each degrees from what they have done

Now back to the topic of distributions; do you have other than what was posted for these combinations or want to let people decide which is clear, precise, and accurate according to Qur'an IF case THEN distribute exactly?