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    Noon_waalqalami
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    Thread is distributing shares according to Qur'an; either provide alternative distributions or stop spamming!

    Here are all combinations for reference; obviously sole inheritor gets the whole, no need for arbitration laws.

    411 directs you The God in your children to the male like share the two (feminine)...

    son/s + daughter/s distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 1

    411 ... so if kunna/are nisa above two falahunna/so to them (feminine plural) thulutha (2/3) what left

    and if kanat/is (feminine) one so to her the half

    and to their parents to each one from them the sixth from what left if kana/is (masculine) to person walad/son (if male child/born)

    so if not was to person waladun/offspring/child born and heirs person?s parents (if only parents) so to his mother the third

    so if kana/is (masculine singular) to person ikh'wat (if male sibling/brother) so to his mother the sixth

    from after a will have made in it or judgment your fathers and your children not you know which of them closer to you benefit obligation from The God indeed The God is Knowing Wise

    1 father + 0 sibling/s = 1

    1/3 mother + 2/3 father = 1
    1/6 mother + 5/6 brother/s = 1

    1/6 mother/father + 5/6 son/s = 1
    1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 2/3 son/s = 1

    1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 mother/father = 1
    2 daughters + mother/father equally = 1
    3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 mother/father = 1

    1 daughter 1/2 + 1/4 mother + 1/4 father = 1
    2 daughters + mother + father all equally = 1
    3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 father = 1

    1/6 mother/father + 5/6 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

    411 kalalah fatherless and spouseless no son (sibling/s variable/unstated)
    1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 (mother + sister/s) = 1
    1 daughter 1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/3 brother/s = 1
    1 daughter 1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/3 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

    2 daughters + mother + sister/s (all share equally) = 1
    2 daughters + brother/s 5/6 share equally + 1/6 mother = 1
    2 daughters + brother/s + sister/s 5/6 share equally + 1/6 mother = 1

    3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 (mother + sister/s) = 1
    3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 brother/s = 1
    3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

    1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 sister/s = 1
    1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 brother/s = 1
    1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

    2 daughters + sister/s = 1
    2 daughters + brother/s = 1
    2 daughters + sister/s + brother/s = 1

    3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 sister/s = 1
    3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 brother/s = 1
    3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

    412 and to you half what left your spouse?s if not was to them waladun/offspring/child

    so if kana is (masculine) to them walad/son (if is male child/born) so to you the fourth

    from what they left from after a will they made in it or judgment

    and to them the fourth from what you left if not was to you waladun/offspring/child

    so if kana is (masculine) to you walad/son (i.e. if to person male child/born) falahunna/so to them the eight

    from what you left from after a will you made in it or judgment...

    1 spouse + 0 sibling/s = 1

    1/4 husband + 3/4 son/s = 1
    1/8 wife + 7/8 son/s = 1

    1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 spouse = 1
    2 daughters + spouse equally = 1
    3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 spouse = 1

    1/2 husband + 1/2 mother/father = 1
    1/4 wife + 3/4 mother/father = 1

    1/2 husband + 1/4 mother + 1/4 father = 1
    1/4 wife + 3/8 mother + 3/8 father = 1

    1/6 mother/father + 1/4 husband + 7/12 son/s = 1
    1/6 mother/father + 1/8 wife + 17/24 son/s = 1

    1 daughter 1/2 + 1/4 mother/father + 1/4 spouse = 1
    2 daughters + mother/father + spouse all equally = 1
    3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother/father + 1/6 spouse = 1

    1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/4 husband + 5/12 son/s = 1
    1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/8 wife + 13/24 son/s = 1

    1 daughter 1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/6 spouse = 1
    2 daughters + mother + father + spouse (share equally) = 1
    3 daughters 2/3 + 1/9 mother + 1/9 father + 1/9 spouse = 1

    1/4 husband + 3/4 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

    1/6 mother/father + 1/4 husband + 7/12 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
    1/6 mother/father + 1/8 wife + 17/24 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

    1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/4 husband + 5/12 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
    1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 2/3 children mixed (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

    412 kalalah fatherless and spouseless has son; sibling/s fixed at 1/6 or 1/3
    412 .. and if is a man inherited kalalah (no crown/head of household; fatherless and spouseless) or woman

    and has brother or sister so to each one from them the sixth

    so if they were greater from that so they partners in the third

    from after a will is recommended in it or judgment not harmful a will from The God and The God Knowing Forbearing

    1/6 sister/brother + 5/6 son/s = 1
    1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 2/3 son/s = 1

    1/6 sister/brother + 5/6 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
    1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 2/3 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

    1/6 mother + 1/6 sister/brother + 2/3 son/s = 1
    1/6 mother + 1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 1/2 son/s = 1

    1/6 mother + 1/6 sister/brother + 2/3 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
    1/6 mother + 1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 1/2 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

    4176 al-kalalah the fatherless and spouseless no offspring/child born
    4176 they seek your ruling say The God gives you a ruling in al-kalalah (the fatherless and spouseless; deceased left no crown/head of household)

    if person died is not to person waladun/offspring/child and has sister so to her half what left and he inherits it if not was to her waladun/offspring/child

    so if they were two (feminine) so to them the third twice (2/3) from what left

    and if they were ikh'watun/siblings rijal wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine)

    clarifies The God to you lest you stray and The God in every a thing Knowing

    1 sister 1/2 + 1/2 mother = 1
    2 sisters 2/3 (1/3 each) + 1/3 mother = 1
    3 sisters (1/4 each x 3) + 1/4 mother = 1

    sister/s + brother/s distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 1
    1/6 mother + 5/6 (sister/s + brother/s) distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 1

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      Mazhar
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      Again mathematical gimmick without quoting legal provision.
      You do not attend the declarative statement of Allah the Exalted and start calling its mention as nonsense and stupidity obscene. Explore why such verdict giving Ayah is causing irritation to you--- because they compel you to accept your stupidity of arriving at what you repeatedly reproduce mathematics but selfish ego does not permit it---hence irritation and outburst.

      Noon, sincerely advise you to consult someone for psycho checkup before it is too late like 19 gimmicks of Rashad Khalifa that veiled his intellect.

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        Mazhar
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        Let me make a final attempt to try dissolving clot that got developed in your brain on this issue

        Mind it this declaration is about the INHERITANCE left behind by the father and mother and near relatives.

        Every person with no exception has plural--three and above. And look at the beauty of narration in Qur'aan that it has not left mention of those who must be taken into consideration while distributing that part of wealth left to the discretionary Will of the dying wealthy person. The possibility of ignoring who are otherwise weakest within the ambit of is mentioned seperately after it.

        This is Imperative-a command of Allah the Exalted. Your mathematic equation lengthy gimmick forget to give them their due share.

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          Noon_waalqalami
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          Noon, sincerely advise you to consult someone for psycho checkup before it is too late like 19 gimmicks of Rashad Khalifa that veiled his intellect.

          Mazhar, you are a moron! Your reading is wrong! We know these heirs exist!

          mother, father
          mother, son
          mother, daughter
          mother, sister
          mother, brother
          mother, spouse
          father, son
          father, daughter
          father, sister
          father, brother
          father, spouse
          son, daughter
          son, sister
          son, brother

          Until you answer the above and admit your error everything you write on any subject will dismissed as a moronic rant!

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            Mazhar
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            Mazhar, you are a moron! Your reading is wrong! We know these heirs exist!

            Who denies their existance? The only thing that you are not allowing to enter your brain is that they exist not in isolation somewhere unknown place, but exist alongwith others becoming plural beneficiaries as is declared by Allah the Exalted.

            You are ignoring Verses of Qur'aan deliberately as if they were not the part of speech on Inheritance. Rk had also done this while juggling with digits.

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              Noon_waalqalami
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              Who denies their existance?

              You are! Totally misreading the verse attributing your stupidity and ignorance to Qur'an!

              Now distribute below inheritance admit your error or you can choose to run away like a coward!

              mother, father
              mother, son
              mother, daughter
              mother, sister
              mother, brother
              mother, wife
              mother, husband
              father, son
              father, daughter
              father, sister
              father, brother
              father, wife
              father, husband
              son, daughter
              son, sister
              son, brother
              son, wife
              son, husband
              daughter, sister
              daughter, brother
              daughter, wife
              daughter, husband
              sister, brother
              sister, wife
              sister, husband
              brother, wife
              brother, husband

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                Mazhar
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                You are! Totally misreading the verse attributing your stupidity and ignorance to Qur'an!

                If I am misreading it, you please educate me how you correctly read it and share your knowledgable understanding of its perception.

                I will be obliged.

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                  Noon_waalqalami
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                  If I am misreading it, you please educate me how you correctly read it and share your knowledgable understanding of its perception.

                  I will be obliged.

                  OK I'll be happy to...

                  433 and for all (i.e. each individual) We made heirs (i.e. eligible to inherit) from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

                  The above is simply stating that each individual is eligible to inherit from what left their parents, and their close relatives (i.e. their children, brothers, sisters); their spouse, etc. and does not say or suggest as you incorrectly inferred earlier that every deceased person will have minimum of three heirs.

                  It is a known fact that in reality there are numerous people who died or who are going to die will leave no heirs, only one heir, or only two heirs ? simply look at those around you Mazhar including most probably yourself. Therefore, your reading of the verse is incorrect, contradicts reality, and is easily proven false.

                  Also consider the request made and granted ...
                  http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=19&verse=5

                  Peace!

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                    Mazhar
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                    OK I'll be happy to...

                    433 and for all (i.e. each individual) We made heirs (i.e. eligible to inherit) from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

                    The above is simply stating that each individual is eligible to inherit from what left their parents, and their close relatives (i.e. their children, brothers, sisters); their spouse, etc. and does not say or suggest as you incorrectly inferred earlier that every deceased person will have minimum of three heirs.

                    It is a known fact that in reality there are numerous people who died or who are going to die will leave no heirs, only one heir, or only two heirs ? simply look at those around you Mazhar including most probably yourself. Therefore, your reading of the verse is incorrect, contradicts reality, and is easily proven false.

                    Also consider the request made and granted ...
                    http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=19&verse=5

                    Peace!

                    The translation and inference do not correspond to each other. In translation you say, "for all individuals We made heirs". And heirs are those who are eligible to inherit.
                    In your translation, "each" individual and "heirs" are two different entities.

                    In the inference you say each individual is eligible to inherit.

                    Please reconcile.

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                      Noon_waalqalami
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                      The translation and inference do not correspond to each other. In translation you say, "for all individuals We made heirs". And heirs are those who are eligible to inherit.
                      In your translation, "each" individual and "heirs" are two different entities.

                      In the inference you say each individual is eligible to inherit.

                      Please reconcile.

                      I see, fixated on grammar invented 100 years ago not reading context and avoiding contradictions?

                      6132 and to each (individual; noun) degrees from what they did (plural) and not your Lord unaware of what they did (plural)

                      433 and to each (individual; noun) We made/appointed heirs (plural) from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them (plural) their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

                      Once again individuals are made/appointed/entitled as heirs from what left their parents, etc. and not as you infer/read that each individual is guaranteed three or more heirs which is easily proven a false reading and a contradiction simply by finding only one case since the beginning of humanity (~ 57 million people leave us each year or ~155,000 each day) where someone died and left less than three heirs or simply examine each kalalah case ...

                      4176 they seek your ruling say The God gives you a ruling in al-kalalah

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                        Mazhar
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                        Quote from Mazhar on Today at 033838 AM
                        The translation and inference do not correspond to each other. In translation you say, "for all individuals We made heirs". And heirs are those who are eligible to inherit.
                        In your translation, "each" individual and "heirs" are two different entities.

                        In the inference you say each individual is eligible to inherit.

                        Please reconcile.

                        I see, fixated on grammar invented 100 years ago not reading context and avoiding contradictions?

                        6132 and to each (individual; noun) degrees from what they did (plural) and not your Lord unaware of what they did (plural)

                        433 and to each (individual; noun) We made/appointed heirs (plural) from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them (plural) their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

                        Once again individuals are made/appointed/entitled as heirs from what left their parents, etc. and not as you infer/read that each individual is guaranteed three or more heirs which is easily proven a false reading and a contradiction simply by finding only one case since the beginning of humanity (~ 57 million people leave us each year or ~155,000 each day) where someone died and left less than three heirs or simply examine each kalalah case ...

                        4176 they seek your ruling say The God gives you a ruling in al-kalalah

                        Just yesterday you said this

                        OK I'll be happy to...

                        433 and for all (i.e. each individual) We made heirs (i.e. eligible to inherit) from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

                        The above is simply stating that each individual is eligible to inherit from what left their parents, and their close relatives (i.e. their children, brothers, sisters); their spouse, etc. and does not say or suggest as you incorrectly inferred earlier that every deceased person will have minimum of three heirs.

                        English preposition "for" which you used yesterday, correctly for Arabic preposition "Li", but today you have replaced it by "to". Are both prepositions "synonym"?

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                          Noon_waalqalami
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                          Please reconcile.

                          Just yesterday you said this
                          English preposition "for" which you used yesterday, correctly for Arabic preposition "Li", but today you have replaced it by "to". Are both prepositions "synonym"?

                          Peace Mazhar,

                          Regardless if using to/for, each/all does not change the basic meaning or the fact that your reading is erroneous.

                          I'm in process of carefully studying each word which there are ~ 77,797 in Qur'an to find the best non-contradicting and consistent meaning unlike most translations/translators who are careless, too lazy, inconsistent, contradictory, and often insert their own bizarre fetishes like you inserting housemaids.

                          It's a work in progress and today after having a look at all usages decided best/closest to render as such.

                          433 and to each We made/appointed heirs from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

                          Use "for" if you like...

                          2148 and to/for each
                          6132 and to/for each
                          734 and to/for each tribe/nation a term
                          1047 and to/for each tribe/nation a messenger
                          137 and to/for each community a guide
                          2234 and to/for each tribe/nation We made/appointed a rite
                          4619 and to/for each degrees from what they have done

                          Now back to the topic of distributions; do you have other than what was posted for these combinations or want to let people decide which is clear, precise, and accurate according to Qur'an IF case THEN distribute exactly?

                          mother, father
                          mother, son
                          mother, daughter
                          mother, sister
                          mother, brother
                          mother, wife
                          mother, husband
                          father, son
                          father, daughter
                          father, sister
                          father, brother
                          father, wife
                          father, husband
                          son, daughter
                          son, sister
                          son, brother
                          son, wife
                          son, husband
                          daughter, sister
                          daughter, brother
                          daughter, wife
                          daughter, husband
                          sister, brother
                          sister, wife
                          sister, husband
                          brother, wife
                          brother, husband

                          Thread is distributing shares according to Qur'an; either provide alternative distributions or stop spamming!

                          Here are all combinations for reference; obviously sole inheritor gets the whole, no need for arbitration laws.

                          411 directs you The God in your children to the male like share the two (feminine)...

                          son/s + daughter/s distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 1

                          411 ... so if kunna/are nisa above two falahunna/so to them (feminine plural) thulutha (2/3) what left

                          and if kanat/is (feminine) one so to her the half

                          and to their parents to each one from them the sixth from what left if kana/is (masculine) to person walad/son (if male child/born)

                          so if not was to person waladun/offspring/child born and heirs person?s parents (if only parents) so to his mother the third

                          so if kana/is (masculine singular) to person ikh'wat (if male sibling/brother) so to his mother the sixth

                          from after a will have made in it or judgment your fathers and your children not you know which of them closer to you benefit obligation from The God indeed The God is Knowing Wise

                          1 father + 0 sibling/s = 1

                          1/3 mother + 2/3 father = 1
                          1/6 mother + 5/6 brother/s = 1

                          1/6 mother/father + 5/6 son/s = 1
                          1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 2/3 son/s = 1

                          1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 mother/father = 1
                          2 daughters + mother/father equally = 1
                          3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 mother/father = 1

                          1 daughter 1/2 + 1/4 mother + 1/4 father = 1
                          2 daughters + mother + father all equally = 1
                          3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 father = 1

                          1/6 mother/father + 5/6 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

                          411 kalalah fatherless and spouseless no son (sibling/s variable/unstated)
                          1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 (mother + sister/s) = 1
                          1 daughter 1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/3 brother/s = 1
                          1 daughter 1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/3 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

                          2 daughters + mother + sister/s (all share equally) = 1
                          2 daughters + brother/s 5/6 share equally + 1/6 mother = 1
                          2 daughters + brother/s + sister/s 5/6 share equally + 1/6 mother = 1

                          3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 (mother + sister/s) = 1
                          3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 brother/s = 1
                          3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

                          1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 sister/s = 1
                          1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 brother/s = 1
                          1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

                          2 daughters + sister/s = 1
                          2 daughters + brother/s = 1
                          2 daughters + sister/s + brother/s = 1

                          3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 sister/s = 1
                          3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 brother/s = 1
                          3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

                          412 and to you half what left your spouse?s if not was to them waladun/offspring/child

                          so if kana is (masculine) to them walad/son (if is male child/born) so to you the fourth

                          from what they left from after a will they made in it or judgment

                          and to them the fourth from what you left if not was to you waladun/offspring/child

                          so if kana is (masculine) to you walad/son (i.e. if to person male child/born) falahunna/so to them the eight

                          from what you left from after a will you made in it or judgment...

                          1 spouse + 0 sibling/s = 1

                          1/4 husband + 3/4 son/s = 1
                          1/8 wife + 7/8 son/s = 1

                          1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 spouse = 1
                          2 daughters + spouse equally = 1
                          3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 spouse = 1

                          1/2 husband + 1/2 mother/father = 1
                          1/4 wife + 3/4 mother/father = 1

                          1/2 husband + 1/4 mother + 1/4 father = 1
                          1/4 wife + 3/8 mother + 3/8 father = 1

                          1/6 mother/father + 1/4 husband + 7/12 son/s = 1
                          1/6 mother/father + 1/8 wife + 17/24 son/s = 1

                          1 daughter 1/2 + 1/4 mother/father + 1/4 spouse = 1
                          2 daughters + mother/father + spouse all equally = 1
                          3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother/father + 1/6 spouse = 1

                          1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/4 husband + 5/12 son/s = 1
                          1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/8 wife + 13/24 son/s = 1

                          1 daughter 1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/6 spouse = 1
                          2 daughters + mother + father + spouse (share equally) = 1
                          3 daughters 2/3 + 1/9 mother + 1/9 father + 1/9 spouse = 1

                          1/4 husband + 3/4 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

                          1/6 mother/father + 1/4 husband + 7/12 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
                          1/6 mother/father + 1/8 wife + 17/24 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

                          1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/4 husband + 5/12 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
                          1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 2/3 children mixed (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

                          412 kalalah fatherless and spouseless has son; sibling/s fixed at 1/6 or 1/3
                          412 .. and if is a man inherited kalalah (no crown/head of household; fatherless and spouseless) or woman

                          and has brother or sister so to each one from them the sixth

                          so if they were greater from that so they partners in the third

                          from after a will is recommended in it or judgment not harmful a will from The God and The God Knowing Forbearing

                          1/6 sister/brother + 5/6 son/s = 1
                          1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 2/3 son/s = 1

                          1/6 sister/brother + 5/6 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
                          1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 2/3 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

                          1/6 mother + 1/6 sister/brother + 2/3 son/s = 1
                          1/6 mother + 1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 1/2 son/s = 1

                          1/6 mother + 1/6 sister/brother + 2/3 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
                          1/6 mother + 1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 1/2 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

                          4176 al-kalalah the fatherless and spouseless no offspring/child born
                          4176 they seek your ruling say The God gives you a ruling in al-kalalah (the fatherless and spouseless; deceased left no crown/head of household)

                          if person died is not to person waladun/offspring/child and has sister so to her half what left and he inherits it if not was to her waladun/offspring/child

                          so if they were two (feminine) so to them the third twice (2/3) from what left

                          and if they were ikh'watun/siblings rijal wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine)

                          clarifies The God to you lest you stray and The God in every a thing Knowing

                          1 sister 1/2 + 1/2 mother = 1
                          2 sisters 2/3 (1/3 each) + 1/3 mother = 1
                          3 sisters (1/4 each x 3) + 1/4 mother = 1

                          sister/s + brother/s distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 1
                          1/6 mother + 5/6 (sister/s + brother/s) distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 1

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                            Mazhar
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                            It's a work in progress and today after having a look at all usages decided best/closest to render as such.

                            433 and to each We made/appointed heirs from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

                            Use "for" if you like...

                            2148 and to/for each
                            6132 and to/for each
                            734 and to/for each tribe/nation a term
                            1047 and to/for each tribe/nation a messenger
                            137 and to/for each community a guide
                            2234 and to/for each tribe/nation We made/appointed a rite
                            4619 and to/for each degrees from what they have done

                            Did you notice some difference between the two red. Do you know what is the difference between both?
                            And do you know the reason why at some places there is Tanween while at others there is only one vowel sign?

                            If you do not know such elementary things about Arabic your criticism of all the translators seems ridiculous boast.

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                              433 and to each (individual; noun) We made/appointed heirs (plural) from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them (plural) their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

                              Mind it, leave Arabic aside, your English even after switching over from "for" to "to" has not resolved the contradiction in your translation and your inferencem which I pointed out to you.

                              The translation and inference do not correspond to each other. In translation you say, "for all individuals We made heirs". And heirs are those who are eligible to inherit.
                              In your translation, "each" individual and "heirs" are two different entities.

                              In the inference you say each individual is eligible to inherit.

                              Read your sentence carefully

                              and to each(individual; noun) We made/appointed heirs

                              If you know what the preposition "to" means you will realize the blunder in your understanding.

                              In the sentence "each" with prep "to" is a different entity and "appointed heirs" are different entities.

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                                Did you notice some difference between the two red. Do you know what is the difference between both?
                                And do you know the reason why at some places there is Tanween while at others there is only one vowel sign?

                                If you do not know such elementary things about Arabic your criticism of all the translators seems ridiculous boast.

                                Mazhar -- you were clearly proven wrong on this topic and instead of correcting yourself and apologizing for wasting my time and spamming this thread you continue being a hard-head needing to have the last word and contributing absolutely nothing to this thread/topic and now you are grasping for anything to redeem yourself including debating if to use "to/for" which I've already told you use "for" if you like, it makes little difference.

                                Now go away! Play with housemaid or whatever.

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                                  Mazhar -- you were clearly proven wrong on this topic and instead of correcting yourself and apologizing for wasting my time and spamming this thread you continue being a hard-head needing to have the last word and contributing absolutely nothing to this thread/topic and now you are grasping for anything to redeem yourself including debating if to use "to/for" which I've already told you use "for" if you like, it makes little difference.

                                  Now go away! Play with housemaid or whatever.

                                  I know whenever you do not have an argument, you say like this or start reproducing a page length mathematical equations.

                                  However, I will give you more points to ponder and realize how much you keep missing while jumping to conclusions and start thinking to have become the only scholar on the subject.

                                  Do you know something about time-line? And do you know time-line in linquistics has a role to determine and understand a text when time adverbs are used therein?

                                  Have you found any time adverb in Inheritance discourse? Did you give a second to understand it?

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                                    Did you notice some difference between the two red. Do you know what is the difference between both?
                                    And do you know the reason why at some places there is Tanween while at others there is only one vowel sign?

                                    If you do not know such elementary things about Arabic your criticism of all the translators seems ridiculous boast.

                                    Take your time. Study further and come back if you have understood the difference. Believe me it will make you to think for some other alternative than switching "for" to "to" to make the verse serve your purpose because it exposed you instead of helping support your inference.

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                                      Take your time. Study further and come back if you have understood the difference. Believe me it will make you to think for some other alternative than switching "for" to "to" to make the verse serve your purpose because it exposed you instead of helping support your inference.

                                      OK this is a thread on inheritance and if you want to open a thread on housemaids or to/for go right ahead.

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                                        OK this is a thread on inheritance and if you want to open a thread on housemaids or to/for go right ahead.

                                        Yes this is about Inheritance. The points raised are in respect of your semblence verses about "to" and "for". But they were different. The question is relevant about that. Please come back with an answer.

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                                          Yes this is about Inheritance. The points raised are in respect of your semblence verses about "to" and "for". But they were different. The question is relevant about that. Please come back with an answer.

                                          OK you're free to choose whichever you like; "to" comes out better and using "for" still does not help you...

                                          457 woe to each liar flagrant
                                          411 . and to their parents to each one of them the sixth

                                          433 and to each (individual; noun) We made/appointed heirs (plural) from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

                                          2148 and to each (individual; noun)
                                          6132 and to each (individual; noun) degrees from what they have done (plural) and not your Lord unaware of what they have done (plural)
                                          734 and to each (individual; noun) tribe/nation a term
                                          1047 and to each (individual; noun) tribe/nation a messenger
                                          137 and to each (individual; noun) community a guide
                                          2234 and to each (individual; noun) tribe/nation We made/appointed a rite
                                          4619 and to each (individual; noun) degrees from what they have done (plural)

                                          Now your turn; I'll ask once again -- do not waste my time and like a coward avoid, divert, and run away...

                                          Individuals are made/appointed/entitled as heirs from what left their parents, etc. and not as you infer/read that each individual is guaranteed three or more heirs which is easily proven a false reading and a contradiction simply by finding only one case since the beginning of humanity (~ 57 million people leave us each year or ~155,000 each day) where someone died and left less than three heirs or simply examine each kalalah case ...

                                          4176 they seek your ruling say The God gives you a ruling in al-kalalah

                                          Now distribute the shares or go away!

                                          mother, father
                                          mother, son
                                          mother, daughter
                                          mother, sister
                                          mother, brother
                                          mother, wife
                                          mother, husband
                                          father, son
                                          father, daughter
                                          father, sister
                                          father, brother
                                          father, wife
                                          father, husband
                                          son, daughter
                                          son, sister
                                          son, brother
                                          son, wife
                                          son, husband
                                          daughter, sister
                                          daughter, brother
                                          daughter, wife
                                          daughter, husband
                                          sister, brother
                                          sister, wife
                                          sister, husband
                                          brother, wife
                                          brother, husband

                                          mother, father, son
                                          mother, father, daughter
                                          mother, father, wife
                                          mother, father, husband
                                          mother, father, sister
                                          mother, father, brother
                                          mother, son, daughter
                                          mother, son, wife
                                          mother, son, husband
                                          mother, son, sister
                                          mother, son, brother
                                          mother, daughter, wife
                                          mother, daughter, husband
                                          mother, daughter, sister
                                          mother, daughter, brother
                                          mother, wife, sister
                                          mother, wife, brother
                                          mother, husband, sister
                                          mother, husband, brother
                                          mother, sister, brother
                                          father, son, daughter
                                          father, son, wife
                                          father, son, husband
                                          father, son, sister
                                          father, son, brother
                                          father, daughter, wife
                                          father, daughter, husband
                                          father, daughter, sister
                                          father, daughter, brother
                                          father, wife, sister
                                          father, wife, brother
                                          father, husband, sister
                                          father, husband, brother
                                          father, sister, brother
                                          son, daughter, wife
                                          son, daughter, husband
                                          son, daughter, sister
                                          son, daughter, brother
                                          son, wife, sister
                                          son, wife, brother
                                          son, husband, sister
                                          son, husband, brother
                                          son, sister, brother
                                          daughter, wife, sister
                                          daughter, wife, brother
                                          daughter, husband, sister
                                          daughter, husband, brother
                                          daughter, sister, brother
                                          wife, sister, brother
                                          husband, sister, brother

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