Inheritance according to Qur?an

Noon_waalqalami

If I am misreading it, you please educate me how you correctly read it and share your knowledgable understanding of its perception.

I will be obliged.

OK I'll be happy to...

433 and for all (i.e. each individual) We made heirs (i.e. eligible to inherit) from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

The above is simply stating that each individual is eligible to inherit from what left their parents, and their close relatives (i.e. their children, brothers, sisters); their spouse, etc. and does not say or suggest as you incorrectly inferred earlier that every deceased person will have minimum of three heirs.

It is a known fact that in reality there are numerous people who died or who are going to die will leave no heirs, only one heir, or only two heirs ? simply look at those around you Mazhar including most probably yourself. Therefore, your reading of the verse is incorrect, contradicts reality, and is easily proven false.

Also consider the request made and granted ...
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=19&verse=5

Peace!

Mazhar

OK I'll be happy to...

433 and for all (i.e. each individual) We made heirs (i.e. eligible to inherit) from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

The above is simply stating that each individual is eligible to inherit from what left their parents, and their close relatives (i.e. their children, brothers, sisters); their spouse, etc. and does not say or suggest as you incorrectly inferred earlier that every deceased person will have minimum of three heirs.

It is a known fact that in reality there are numerous people who died or who are going to die will leave no heirs, only one heir, or only two heirs ? simply look at those around you Mazhar including most probably yourself. Therefore, your reading of the verse is incorrect, contradicts reality, and is easily proven false.

Also consider the request made and granted ...
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=19&verse=5

Peace!

The translation and inference do not correspond to each other. In translation you say, "for all individuals We made heirs". And heirs are those who are eligible to inherit.
In your translation, "each" individual and "heirs" are two different entities.

In the inference you say each individual is eligible to inherit.

Please reconcile.

Noon_waalqalami

The translation and inference do not correspond to each other. In translation you say, "for all individuals We made heirs". And heirs are those who are eligible to inherit.
In your translation, "each" individual and "heirs" are two different entities.

In the inference you say each individual is eligible to inherit.

Please reconcile.

I see, fixated on grammar invented 100 years ago not reading context and avoiding contradictions?

6132 and to each (individual; noun) degrees from what they did (plural) and not your Lord unaware of what they did (plural)

433 and to each (individual; noun) We made/appointed heirs (plural) from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them (plural) their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

Once again individuals are made/appointed/entitled as heirs from what left their parents, etc. and not as you infer/read that each individual is guaranteed three or more heirs which is easily proven a false reading and a contradiction simply by finding only one case since the beginning of humanity (~ 57 million people leave us each year or ~155,000 each day) where someone died and left less than three heirs or simply examine each kalalah case ...

4176 they seek your ruling say The God gives you a ruling in al-kalalah

Mazhar

Quote from Mazhar on Today at 033838 AM
The translation and inference do not correspond to each other. In translation you say, "for all individuals We made heirs". And heirs are those who are eligible to inherit.
In your translation, "each" individual and "heirs" are two different entities.

In the inference you say each individual is eligible to inherit.

Please reconcile.

I see, fixated on grammar invented 100 years ago not reading context and avoiding contradictions?

6132 and to each (individual; noun) degrees from what they did (plural) and not your Lord unaware of what they did (plural)

433 and to each (individual; noun) We made/appointed heirs (plural) from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them (plural) their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

Once again individuals are made/appointed/entitled as heirs from what left their parents, etc. and not as you infer/read that each individual is guaranteed three or more heirs which is easily proven a false reading and a contradiction simply by finding only one case since the beginning of humanity (~ 57 million people leave us each year or ~155,000 each day) where someone died and left less than three heirs or simply examine each kalalah case ...

4176 they seek your ruling say The God gives you a ruling in al-kalalah

Just yesterday you said this

OK I'll be happy to...

433 and for all (i.e. each individual) We made heirs (i.e. eligible to inherit) from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

The above is simply stating that each individual is eligible to inherit from what left their parents, and their close relatives (i.e. their children, brothers, sisters); their spouse, etc. and does not say or suggest as you incorrectly inferred earlier that every deceased person will have minimum of three heirs.

English preposition "for" which you used yesterday, correctly for Arabic preposition "Li", but today you have replaced it by "to". Are both prepositions "synonym"?

Noon_waalqalami

Please reconcile.

Just yesterday you said this
English preposition "for" which you used yesterday, correctly for Arabic preposition "Li", but today you have replaced it by "to". Are both prepositions "synonym"?

Peace Mazhar,

Regardless if using to/for, each/all does not change the basic meaning or the fact that your reading is erroneous.

I'm in process of carefully studying each word which there are ~ 77,797 in Qur'an to find the best non-contradicting and consistent meaning unlike most translations/translators who are careless, too lazy, inconsistent, contradictory, and often insert their own bizarre fetishes like you inserting housemaids.

It's a work in progress and today after having a look at all usages decided best/closest to render as such.

433 and to each We made/appointed heirs from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

Use "for" if you like...

2148 and to/for each
6132 and to/for each
734 and to/for each tribe/nation a term
1047 and to/for each tribe/nation a messenger
137 and to/for each community a guide
2234 and to/for each tribe/nation We made/appointed a rite
4619 and to/for each degrees from what they have done

Now back to the topic of distributions; do you have other than what was posted for these combinations or want to let people decide which is clear, precise, and accurate according to Qur'an IF case THEN distribute exactly?

mother, father
mother, son
mother, daughter
mother, sister
mother, brother
mother, wife
mother, husband
father, son
father, daughter
father, sister
father, brother
father, wife
father, husband
son, daughter
son, sister
son, brother
son, wife
son, husband
daughter, sister
daughter, brother
daughter, wife
daughter, husband
sister, brother
sister, wife
sister, husband
brother, wife
brother, husband

Thread is distributing shares according to Qur'an; either provide alternative distributions or stop spamming!

Here are all combinations for reference; obviously sole inheritor gets the whole, no need for arbitration laws.

411 directs you The God in your children to the male like share the two (feminine)...

son/s + daughter/s distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 1

411 ... so if kunna/are nisa above two falahunna/so to them (feminine plural) thulutha (2/3) what left

and if kanat/is (feminine) one so to her the half

and to their parents to each one from them the sixth from what left if kana/is (masculine) to person walad/son (if male child/born)

so if not was to person waladun/offspring/child born and heirs person?s parents (if only parents) so to his mother the third

so if kana/is (masculine singular) to person ikh'wat (if male sibling/brother) so to his mother the sixth

from after a will have made in it or judgment your fathers and your children not you know which of them closer to you benefit obligation from The God indeed The God is Knowing Wise

1 father + 0 sibling/s = 1

1/3 mother + 2/3 father = 1
1/6 mother + 5/6 brother/s = 1

1/6 mother/father + 5/6 son/s = 1
1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 2/3 son/s = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 mother/father = 1
2 daughters + mother/father equally = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 mother/father = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/4 mother + 1/4 father = 1
2 daughters + mother + father all equally = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 father = 1

1/6 mother/father + 5/6 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

411 kalalah fatherless and spouseless no son (sibling/s variable/unstated)
1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 (mother + sister/s) = 1
1 daughter 1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/3 brother/s = 1
1 daughter 1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/3 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

2 daughters + mother + sister/s (all share equally) = 1
2 daughters + brother/s 5/6 share equally + 1/6 mother = 1
2 daughters + brother/s + sister/s 5/6 share equally + 1/6 mother = 1

3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 (mother + sister/s) = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 brother/s = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 sister/s = 1
1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 brother/s = 1
1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

2 daughters + sister/s = 1
2 daughters + brother/s = 1
2 daughters + sister/s + brother/s = 1

3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 sister/s = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 brother/s = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

412 and to you half what left your spouse?s if not was to them waladun/offspring/child

so if kana is (masculine) to them walad/son (if is male child/born) so to you the fourth

from what they left from after a will they made in it or judgment

and to them the fourth from what you left if not was to you waladun/offspring/child

so if kana is (masculine) to you walad/son (i.e. if to person male child/born) falahunna/so to them the eight

from what you left from after a will you made in it or judgment...

1 spouse + 0 sibling/s = 1

1/4 husband + 3/4 son/s = 1
1/8 wife + 7/8 son/s = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 spouse = 1
2 daughters + spouse equally = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 spouse = 1

1/2 husband + 1/2 mother/father = 1
1/4 wife + 3/4 mother/father = 1

1/2 husband + 1/4 mother + 1/4 father = 1
1/4 wife + 3/8 mother + 3/8 father = 1

1/6 mother/father + 1/4 husband + 7/12 son/s = 1
1/6 mother/father + 1/8 wife + 17/24 son/s = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/4 mother/father + 1/4 spouse = 1
2 daughters + mother/father + spouse all equally = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother/father + 1/6 spouse = 1

1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/4 husband + 5/12 son/s = 1
1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/8 wife + 13/24 son/s = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/6 spouse = 1
2 daughters + mother + father + spouse (share equally) = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/9 mother + 1/9 father + 1/9 spouse = 1

1/4 husband + 3/4 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

1/6 mother/father + 1/4 husband + 7/12 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
1/6 mother/father + 1/8 wife + 17/24 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/4 husband + 5/12 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 2/3 children mixed (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

412 kalalah fatherless and spouseless has son; sibling/s fixed at 1/6 or 1/3
412 .. and if is a man inherited kalalah (no crown/head of household; fatherless and spouseless) or woman

and has brother or sister so to each one from them the sixth

so if they were greater from that so they partners in the third

from after a will is recommended in it or judgment not harmful a will from The God and The God Knowing Forbearing

1/6 sister/brother + 5/6 son/s = 1
1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 2/3 son/s = 1

1/6 sister/brother + 5/6 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 2/3 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

1/6 mother + 1/6 sister/brother + 2/3 son/s = 1
1/6 mother + 1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 1/2 son/s = 1

1/6 mother + 1/6 sister/brother + 2/3 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
1/6 mother + 1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 1/2 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

4176 al-kalalah the fatherless and spouseless no offspring/child born
4176 they seek your ruling say The God gives you a ruling in al-kalalah (the fatherless and spouseless; deceased left no crown/head of household)

if person died is not to person waladun/offspring/child and has sister so to her half what left and he inherits it if not was to her waladun/offspring/child

so if they were two (feminine) so to them the third twice (2/3) from what left

and if they were ikh'watun/siblings rijal wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine)

clarifies The God to you lest you stray and The God in every a thing Knowing

1 sister 1/2 + 1/2 mother = 1
2 sisters 2/3 (1/3 each) + 1/3 mother = 1
3 sisters (1/4 each x 3) + 1/4 mother = 1

sister/s + brother/s distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 1
1/6 mother + 5/6 (sister/s + brother/s) distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 1

Mazhar

It's a work in progress and today after having a look at all usages decided best/closest to render as such.

433 and to each We made/appointed heirs from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

Use "for" if you like...

2148 and to/for each
6132 and to/for each
734 and to/for each tribe/nation a term
1047 and to/for each tribe/nation a messenger
137 and to/for each community a guide
2234 and to/for each tribe/nation We made/appointed a rite
4619 and to/for each degrees from what they have done

Did you notice some difference between the two red. Do you know what is the difference between both?
And do you know the reason why at some places there is Tanween while at others there is only one vowel sign?

If you do not know such elementary things about Arabic your criticism of all the translators seems ridiculous boast.

Mazhar

433 and to each (individual; noun) We made/appointed heirs (plural) from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them (plural) their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

Mind it, leave Arabic aside, your English even after switching over from "for" to "to" has not resolved the contradiction in your translation and your inferencem which I pointed out to you.

The translation and inference do not correspond to each other. In translation you say, "for all individuals We made heirs". And heirs are those who are eligible to inherit.
In your translation, "each" individual and "heirs" are two different entities.

In the inference you say each individual is eligible to inherit.

Read your sentence carefully

and to each(individual; noun) We made/appointed heirs

If you know what the preposition "to" means you will realize the blunder in your understanding.

In the sentence "each" with prep "to" is a different entity and "appointed heirs" are different entities.

Noon_waalqalami

Did you notice some difference between the two red. Do you know what is the difference between both?
And do you know the reason why at some places there is Tanween while at others there is only one vowel sign?

If you do not know such elementary things about Arabic your criticism of all the translators seems ridiculous boast.

Mazhar -- you were clearly proven wrong on this topic and instead of correcting yourself and apologizing for wasting my time and spamming this thread you continue being a hard-head needing to have the last word and contributing absolutely nothing to this thread/topic and now you are grasping for anything to redeem yourself including debating if to use "to/for" which I've already told you use "for" if you like, it makes little difference.

Now go away! Play with housemaid or whatever.

Mazhar

Mazhar -- you were clearly proven wrong on this topic and instead of correcting yourself and apologizing for wasting my time and spamming this thread you continue being a hard-head needing to have the last word and contributing absolutely nothing to this thread/topic and now you are grasping for anything to redeem yourself including debating if to use "to/for" which I've already told you use "for" if you like, it makes little difference.

Now go away! Play with housemaid or whatever.

I know whenever you do not have an argument, you say like this or start reproducing a page length mathematical equations.

However, I will give you more points to ponder and realize how much you keep missing while jumping to conclusions and start thinking to have become the only scholar on the subject.

Do you know something about time-line? And do you know time-line in linquistics has a role to determine and understand a text when time adverbs are used therein?

Have you found any time adverb in Inheritance discourse? Did you give a second to understand it?

Mazhar

Did you notice some difference between the two red. Do you know what is the difference between both?
And do you know the reason why at some places there is Tanween while at others there is only one vowel sign?

If you do not know such elementary things about Arabic your criticism of all the translators seems ridiculous boast.

Take your time. Study further and come back if you have understood the difference. Believe me it will make you to think for some other alternative than switching "for" to "to" to make the verse serve your purpose because it exposed you instead of helping support your inference.

Noon_waalqalami

Take your time. Study further and come back if you have understood the difference. Believe me it will make you to think for some other alternative than switching "for" to "to" to make the verse serve your purpose because it exposed you instead of helping support your inference.

OK this is a thread on inheritance and if you want to open a thread on housemaids or to/for go right ahead.

Mazhar

OK this is a thread on inheritance and if you want to open a thread on housemaids or to/for go right ahead.

Yes this is about Inheritance. The points raised are in respect of your semblence verses about "to" and "for". But they were different. The question is relevant about that. Please come back with an answer.

Noon_waalqalami

Yes this is about Inheritance. The points raised are in respect of your semblence verses about "to" and "for". But they were different. The question is relevant about that. Please come back with an answer.

OK you're free to choose whichever you like; "to" comes out better and using "for" still does not help you...

457 woe to each liar flagrant
411 . and to their parents to each one of them the sixth

433 and to each (individual; noun) We made/appointed heirs (plural) from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

2148 and to each (individual; noun)
6132 and to each (individual; noun) degrees from what they have done (plural) and not your Lord unaware of what they have done (plural)
734 and to each (individual; noun) tribe/nation a term
1047 and to each (individual; noun) tribe/nation a messenger
137 and to each (individual; noun) community a guide
2234 and to each (individual; noun) tribe/nation We made/appointed a rite
4619 and to each (individual; noun) degrees from what they have done (plural)

Now your turn; I'll ask once again -- do not waste my time and like a coward avoid, divert, and run away...

Individuals are made/appointed/entitled as heirs from what left their parents, etc. and not as you infer/read that each individual is guaranteed three or more heirs which is easily proven a false reading and a contradiction simply by finding only one case since the beginning of humanity (~ 57 million people leave us each year or ~155,000 each day) where someone died and left less than three heirs or simply examine each kalalah case ...

4176 they seek your ruling say The God gives you a ruling in al-kalalah

Now distribute the shares or go away!

mother, father
mother, son
mother, daughter
mother, sister
mother, brother
mother, wife
mother, husband
father, son
father, daughter
father, sister
father, brother
father, wife
father, husband
son, daughter
son, sister
son, brother
son, wife
son, husband
daughter, sister
daughter, brother
daughter, wife
daughter, husband
sister, brother
sister, wife
sister, husband
brother, wife
brother, husband

mother, father, son
mother, father, daughter
mother, father, wife
mother, father, husband
mother, father, sister
mother, father, brother
mother, son, daughter
mother, son, wife
mother, son, husband
mother, son, sister
mother, son, brother
mother, daughter, wife
mother, daughter, husband
mother, daughter, sister
mother, daughter, brother
mother, wife, sister
mother, wife, brother
mother, husband, sister
mother, husband, brother
mother, sister, brother
father, son, daughter
father, son, wife
father, son, husband
father, son, sister
father, son, brother
father, daughter, wife
father, daughter, husband
father, daughter, sister
father, daughter, brother
father, wife, sister
father, wife, brother
father, husband, sister
father, husband, brother
father, sister, brother
son, daughter, wife
son, daughter, husband
son, daughter, sister
son, daughter, brother
son, wife, sister
son, wife, brother
son, husband, sister
son, husband, brother
son, sister, brother
daughter, wife, sister
daughter, wife, brother
daughter, husband, sister
daughter, husband, brother
daughter, sister, brother
wife, sister, brother
husband, sister, brother

Mazhar

Reply 218

Did you notice some difference between the two red. Do you know what is the difference between both?
And do you know the reason why at some places there is Tanween while at others there is only one vowel sign?

If you do not know such elementary things about Arabic your criticism of all the translators seems ridiculous boast.

Remaining truthful to habit, you again repeated the Ayah and lengthy math page without using brain to attend to question.

457 woe to each liar flagrant
411 . and to their parents to each one of them the sixth

433 and to each (individual; noun) We made/appointed heirs (plural) from what left the parents and the close relatives and the ones who pledged your right hands so give them their share indeed The God is over each a thing Witness

457

433

Do you see the difference? Vowel signs is double in 433, in others it is single?

Mazhar

These are your trasnslation and then explanation

and to each(individual; noun) We made/appointed heirs

Individuals are made/appointed/entitled as heirs from what left their parents, etc. and not as you infer/read that each individual is guaranteed three or more heirs which is easily proven a false reading

See both. Why are you making mockery of yourself that you do not know even simple English?

Your translation says

"We have appointed heirs to each individual".

Get out of your madness to know what is there in the Verses about inheritance.

Noon_waalqalami

Get out of your madness to know what is there in the Verses about inheritance.

Mazhar -- I asked you to stay on topic, do not spam this thread; instead you post useless information.

You said that Allah said that each person will have three or more heirs -- that is proven false and a lie!

Mazhar

Mazhar -- I asked you to stay on topic, do not spam this thread; instead you post useless information.

You said that Allah said that each person will have three or more heirs -- that is proven false and a lie!

Your own translation says they are more than two. Reconcile your translation and respond to basic contradictions of yours.

Noon_waalqalami

Your own translation says they are more than two. Reconcile your translation and respond to basic contradictions of yours.

No it does not -- each individual is heir. Only way translation cannot contradict reality. it's same as...

6132 and to each (individual; noun) degrees from what they have done (plural; i.e. each individual) and not your Lord unaware of what they have done (plural; i.e. each individual)

In summary, like saying We made you each heirs entitled to a share from what left their parents, etc. not as you claim that Qur'an contradicts reality and each will have at least three heirs -- that is ridiculous!

Mazhar

No it does not -- each individual is heir.

It is time to take admission in KG in some good English medium school.

Mazhar

My dear Noon,

Peace

If you are really interested to get complete picture and perception of Inheritance discourse, I have simplified the Article, best trying to make it reader friendly but not allowing him to float on the surface of the text, rather keep using his own intellect at every parargraph to grasp it before moving to next and agree or prove it wrong, in any sense, language, grammar, context, concordance.

The points towards I have been trying to draw your attention, like tanween and time-line---use of time adverb I have covered therein.

Allah the Exalted has covered all, even if there are hundreds of ground situations, in just five sub classifications. You can have hundreds of mathematical equations by just referring to those 5 classifications.

You might also notice the beauty of succintness by superb choice of words in the Ayah which could cover multiple situations. Please do pay attention to the meanings and perceptions by noticing what type of a word is it.

Daughter not Son is the central theme of Inheritance. It is incumbent upon death expecting wealthy person to bequeath for the Mother and Father; and nearer relatives.