Inheritance: Daughter not Son is the central theme of Inheritance.
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This is exactly what is denoted by ranting. Now you have forgotten presence of Waw conjunction. Where do you find that if siblings are not only sisters but include brothers also, they will get hundred percent of inheritance? This is the question needing legality which you nowhere find necessitating ranting.
I strongly advise you to lay off this subject and go play with that premarital sex thread; you are utterly a clueless ranter!
4176 they seek your ruling say The God gives you a ruling in al-kalalah (the fatherless and spouseless; deceased left no crown/head of household)
if person died is not to person waladun/offspring/child and has sister so to her half what left and he inherits it if not was to her waladun/offspring/child
ELSE IF they were two (feminine) so to them the 2/3 from what left
AND IF they were ikh'watun/siblings rijal wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine)
1 sister 1/2 + 1/2 mother = 100%
2 sisters 2/3 (1/3 each) + 1/3 mother = 100%
3 sisters (1/4 each x 3) + 1/4 mother = 100%sister/s + brother/s distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 100%
1/6 mother + 5/6 (sister/s + brother/s) distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 100% -
I strongly advise you to lay off this subject and go play with that premarital sex thread; you are utterly a clueless ranter!
4176 they seek your ruling say The God gives you a ruling in al-kalalah (the fatherless and spouseless; deceased left no crown/head of household)
if person died is not to person waladun/offspring/child and has sister so to her half what left and he inherits it if not was to her waladun/offspring/child
ELSE IF they were two (feminine) so to them the 2/3 from what left
AND IF they were ikh'watun/siblings rijal wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine)
1 sister 1/2 + 1/2 mother = 100%
2 sisters 2/3 (1/3 each) + 1/3 mother = 100%
3 sisters (1/4 each x 3) + 1/4 mother = 100%sister/s + brother/s distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 100%
1/6 mother + 5/6 (sister/s + brother/s) distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 100%You simply avoid the question since you have no answer and keep repeating irrelevant figures.
Without relating authority you keep adding speculative figures to make hundred percent by making it sometimes 1/2, 1/3, 1/4 and 1/6 for mother. 1/6 for mother in case of living siblings is when father is also living told in 411. For your mathemtatic equation you have killed him in the last equation. -
You simply avoid the question since you have no answer and keep repeating irrelevant figures.
Without relating authority you keep adding speculative figures to make hundred percent by making it sometimes 1/2, 1/3, 1/4 and 1/6 for mother. 1/6 for mother in case of living siblings is when father is also living told in 411. For your mathemtatic equation you have killed him in the last equation.That is false; I did not kill him; it means the father cannot inherit with siblings; they get nothing if father is present.
It causes numerous contradictions the same if spouse is alive which is also non-kalalah case; siblings get nothing!Example case mother, father, sister, brother is proven NOT solvable!
Likewise case father, sister, brother is proven NOT solvable!father, sister/s, brother/s (unsolvable)
1 = father (variable) + siblings 21 ratio male to female
1 = y + 2x + x
1 = y + 3x (no solution exists without negative numbers (-2=y, 1=x))I'll advise you once again, you are clueless on this simple math/logic and you should stay away from this subject go play with grammar definitions where you can hide since the more you write the greater you make yourself look ridiculously absurd!
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You simply avoid the question since you have no answer and keep repeating irrelevant figures.
Without relating authority you keep adding speculative figures to make hundred percent by making it sometimes 1/2, 1/3, 1/4 and 1/6 for mother. 1/6 for mother in case of living siblings is when father is also living told in 411. For your mathemtatic equation you have killed him in the last equation.That is false; I did not kill him; it means the father cannot inherit with siblings; they get nothing if father is present.
You are still running away from the question. 1/6 for mother is mentioned only when father is also living. And that is a Non Kalala case. How can you bring that with Kalala and start allocating at your own discretion without the support of legal provision.
For every allocation, there must be a legal provision coverage otherwise it is meaningless utterence. You do not have legal provision to quote for your stance.
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You are still running away from the question. 1/6 for mother is mentioned only when father is also living. And that is a Non Kalala case. How can you bring that with Kalala and start allocating at your own discretion without the support of legal provision.
For every allocation, there must be a legal provision coverage otherwise it is meaningless utterence. You do not have legal provision to quote for your stance.
I'm not running away from anything and the fact is siblings ONLY inherit if kalalah (i.e. no father/spouse) therefore.
Now it's you who cannot apply Qur'an in practice if your life depended on it and only rant gibberish and run away!You can simply prove me wrong and distribute according to Qur'an (tell us which verses you are using)
mother, father, wife, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother
OK let's go, prove me wrong and I'll thank you; people are waiting for your answer -- please?
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Cant we just let people themselves decide who they want to inherit after them ?? If someone wants to give all his property to his daughter and nothing to his son, then let him.
Peace
Allah the Exalted has given him the authority to bequeath in respect of part of his wealth at the time of death. But Noon wishes to take it away to keep his mathematics hundred percent.
He can transfer the title of his entire wealth to whomever he wishes during his life time, thereby, he will be leaving nothing as inheritance since that wealth was no more owned by him in case of his death. However, he will make himself as unjust person by giving his wealth to only one of his relative ignoring the rights of others. -
Cant we just let people themselves decide who they want to inherit after them ?? If someone wants to give all his property to his daughter and nothing to his son, then let him.
Peace
Peace -- that is always the case, one can make out a will at anytime.
We are talking case no will the inheritance verses kick in to arbitrate.Mazhar -- people are still waiting for your answer to the above case.
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Allah the Exalted has given him the authority to bequeath in respect of part of his wealth at the time of death. But Noon wishes to take it away to keep his mathematics hundred percent.
He can transfer the title of his entire wealth to whomever he wishes during his life time, thereby, he will be leaving nothing as inheritance since that wealth was no more owned by him in case of his death. However, he will make himself as unjust person by giving his wealth to only one of his relative ignoring the rights of others.He would also be unjust if he gave more of his wealth to one relative than the other. If someone wants to giv everything to his daughter and not his son than why is that a problem ? Isn't he the owner ?
And I actually agree more with noon here than you. You dont really answer his questions. Somehow you seem have very "Sunni" ideas .
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Peace -- that is always the case, one can make out a will at anytime.
We are talking case no will the inheritance verses kick in to arbitrate.Mazhar -- people are still waiting for your answer to the above case.
Okay thanks for the correction . I wrongly thought the inheritance laws were forced on people.
Peace
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I think in most Muslim countries the inheritance laws are enforced upon peopler which I thinks works in favour of women.
In India Hindu women do not inherit and Pakistan is culturally the same so many girls could have lost their right to inherit if people had choice. In many rich families often boys are in control of business as well as the parents and there is a strong desire to keep money within the family.
Salaam -
I'm not running away from anything and the fact is siblings ONLY inherit if kalalah (i.e. no father/spouse) therefore.
Now it's you who cannot apply Qur'an in practice if your life depended on it and only rant gibberish and run away!You can simply prove me wrong and distribute according to Qur'an (tell us which verses you are using)
mother, father, wife, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother
OK let's go, prove me wrong and I'll thank you; people are waiting for your answer -- please?
Sorry, you are running out patience, however, here problem is of bad weather, electric failur system switching from electric to generator and to electric, internet service getting interrupted.
Had you taken a little botheration of opening the link of article, you might had find it in first part.
The sequence mentioned by you is not the sequence chosen by Allah the Exalted for inheritance discourse.
The priorty sequence of relations and relevant nearness is in this order
Progenies Daughter and son; mother and father; wife and husband; and then what is termed Nearer Relatives sister and brother, and relatives include orphaned grand progeny, grand mother and father, cousins, nephews, patronised persons. Others to be considered by the dying person for bequeath is the alienated wife who is still in the restraint period.
The mourners in this case proposed by you in order of preference as selected by Allah the Exalted is
Progenies A Daughter and Son= 3 feminine shares.Allah the Exalted commands and binds you concerning distribution of inheritance-moveable and immovable assets amongst the grouped Progenies of you people. The Semblance of share of Two Feminine is to be apportioned for the Male progeny.
By laying down the general principle that the semblance of share of two feminine shall be apportioned for a male progeny, the grouped Progenies- are covered irrespective of their number and gender composition.
One daughter and one son equals three feminine shares.What is the Mandatory allocation if there are progenies to have two, three or more feminine shares?
Thereby, should there be women, over and above two feminine progeny, thereat, the Two Third of that, which he the deceased has left behind, shall be allocated for them.
The point that the conditional clause includes two feminine of any age, irrespective of marital status whether virgins or married, and more than two feminine progeny is evident from the deficient perfect verb in jussive state which has suffixed plural feminine pronoun referring back to feminine noun progenies, and its predicate also is plural women. The subsequent clause portraying a different ground situation leaves no room to deny that the share of inheritance shall be two-third in case of there being only two daughters in the progeny of deceased.
And in case the the progeny were a solitary feminine, thereby, the half of that, which he the deceased has left behind, shall be allocated for her.
The injunction in earlier part of the Ayah covers the share allocated for the progenies of those Men who were granted either daughters, or in combination sons also. Their share shall not exceed two-third of the inheritance left by the deceased. Since the sharing in case of progenies is to start with a feminine, therefore, if the deceased has left a daughter and a son this means three feminine shares because the share resembling share of two feminine is to be allocated for a male. This takes care of all the progeny regardless how many are they. Two third of the Inheritance is reservedly allocated for them in all circumstances.
Daughter and Son get two third. It leaves 1/3rd in the Divisible Inheritance left at the disposal of the person to bequeath for his mother, and father. Depending upon the volume of wealth, he can give something to his brother and sister if he so likes without overstepping the relative nearness.
Now recall what I told you about the Noun and Ikhwatun.
Leave your habit of reading and translating Arabic treating it as if it were a germanic language. I hope now you understand that the Noun of plural and signular deficient verb Kana refer back to and you might perceive the delecacy and superbness in the choice of words for giving instructions about inheritance. -
I think in most Muslim countries the inheritance laws are enforced upon peopler which I thinks works in favour of women.
In India Hindu women do not inherit and Pakistan is culturally the same so many girls could have lost their right to inherit if people had choice. In many rich families often boys are in control of business as well as the parents and there is a strong desire to keep money within the family.
SalaamAllah the Exalted has authoritatively fixed the shares in all cases where people can abuse the rights of weaker segement of their families.
The cause of abuse is this
The love and desire of sensual excitements and gratifications has become fascinatingly attractive in the women and the Sons;
So have become the desire to have a state of hoarded abundance of the Gold and the Silver, and the marked-pedigree horses , and abundance of herbivore-mammals, and for plenty of harvesting lands.
This is the wealth-sustenance-provision of transitory worldly life.People usurp the rightful share of weaker segments
And you people eat away the inheritance, in the manner of devouring-absorbing others share.
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Sorry, you are running out patience, however, here problem is of bad weather, electric failur system switching from electric to generator and to electric, internet service getting interrupted.
You're babbling -- I asked you Mazhar, a simple question; distribute shares
mother, father, wife, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother
Instead of answering all you do is rant because you are obviously clueless!
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I think in most Muslim countries the inheritance laws are enforced upon peopler which I thinks works in favour of women.
In India Hindu women do not inherit and Pakistan is culturally the same so many girls could have lost their right to inherit if people had choice. In many rich families often boys are in control of business as well as the parents and there is a strong desire to keep money within the family.
SalaamNo you are wrong. I have been in india and met hindu women who inherit property so yes In India hindu women do inherit property.
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No you are wrong. I have been in india and met hindu women who inherit property so yes In India hindu women do inherit property.
Ignorant as always you need to rely more on solid information rather than your odd visit, its only in 2005 India introduced women's equall rights to inherit where there was no will left.
You spend too much time on sunnies, for a change do some reading on the history of women's inheritance rights not only in India but in also in Europe including Sweden and Uk, where until last century women had no right to inherit in the absence of a will, and if they did inherit they were still under the power of a male guardian, when they married what ever they owned was inherited by their husbands who than became their gurdians. yes -
You're babbling -- I asked you Mazhar, a simple question; distribute shares
mother, father, wife, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother
Instead of answering all you do is rant because you are obviously clueless!
You seem to have gone blind of heart. You did not read, shares are given alongwith Ayah.
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You seem to have gone blind of heart. You did not read, shares are given alongwith Ayah.
Then what are you afraid of? Tell us how to distribute? Perhaps you are clueless?
mother, father, wife, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother
mother, father
mother, son
mother, daughter
mother, sister
mother,brother
mother, spouse
father, son
father, daughter
father, sister
father, brother
father, spouse
son, daughter
son, sister
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Daughter and Son get two third. It leaves 1/3rd in the Divisible Inheritance left at the disposal of the person to bequeath for his mother, and father. Depending upon the volume of wealth, he can give something to his brother and sister if he so likes without overstepping the relative nearness.
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That was not an answer! It was also the wrong answer for son and daughter; 2/3 is to females!
411... so if kunna/are (feminine plural) nisa/women above two (feminine) falahunna/so to them (feminine) thulutha (2/3)
Again like the coward and too proud to admit error you ran away! I asked you to distribute these...
mother, father, wife, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother
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father, son
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