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Inheritance: Daughter not Son is the central theme of Inheritance.

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    Maha
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    Peace -- that is always the case, one can make out a will at anytime.
    We are talking case no will the inheritance verses kick in to arbitrate.

    Mazhar -- people are still waiting for your answer to the above case.

    Okay thanks for the correction . I wrongly thought the inheritance laws were forced on people.

    Peace

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      I think in most Muslim countries the inheritance laws are enforced upon peopler which I thinks works in favour of women.
      In India Hindu women do not inherit and Pakistan is culturally the same so many girls could have lost their right to inherit if people had choice. In many rich families often boys are in control of business as well as the parents and there is a strong desire to keep money within the family.
      Salaam

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        Mazhar
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        I'm not running away from anything and the fact is siblings ONLY inherit if kalalah (i.e. no father/spouse) therefore.
        Now it's you who cannot apply Qur'an in practice if your life depended on it and only rant gibberish and run away!

        You can simply prove me wrong and distribute according to Qur'an (tell us which verses you are using)

        mother, father, wife, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother

        OK let's go, prove me wrong and I'll thank you; people are waiting for your answer -- please?

        Sorry, you are running out patience, however, here problem is of bad weather, electric failur system switching from electric to generator and to electric, internet service getting interrupted.

        Had you taken a little botheration of opening the link of article, you might had find it in first part.

        The sequence mentioned by you is not the sequence chosen by Allah the Exalted for inheritance discourse.

        The priorty sequence of relations and relevant nearness is in this order

        Progenies Daughter and son; mother and father; wife and husband; and then what is termed Nearer Relatives sister and brother, and relatives include orphaned grand progeny, grand mother and father, cousins, nephews, patronised persons. Others to be considered by the dying person for bequeath is the alienated wife who is still in the restraint period.

        The mourners in this case proposed by you in order of preference as selected by Allah the Exalted is
        Progenies A Daughter and Son= 3 feminine shares.

        Allah the Exalted commands and binds you concerning distribution of inheritance-moveable and immovable assets amongst the grouped Progenies of you people. The Semblance of share of Two Feminine is to be apportioned for the Male progeny.

        By laying down the general principle that the semblance of share of two feminine shall be apportioned for a male progeny, the grouped Progenies- are covered irrespective of their number and gender composition.
        One daughter and one son equals three feminine shares.

        What is the Mandatory allocation if there are progenies to have two, three or more feminine shares?

        Thereby, should there be women, over and above two feminine progeny, thereat, the Two Third of that, which he the deceased has left behind, shall be allocated for them.

        The point that the conditional clause includes two feminine of any age, irrespective of marital status whether virgins or married, and more than two feminine progeny is evident from the deficient perfect verb in jussive state which has suffixed plural feminine pronoun referring back to feminine noun progenies, and its predicate also is plural women. The subsequent clause portraying a different ground situation leaves no room to deny that the share of inheritance shall be two-third in case of there being only two daughters in the progeny of deceased.

        And in case the the progeny were a solitary feminine, thereby, the half of that, which he the deceased has left behind, shall be allocated for her.

        The injunction in earlier part of the Ayah covers the share allocated for the progenies of those Men who were granted either daughters, or in combination sons also. Their share shall not exceed two-third of the inheritance left by the deceased. Since the sharing in case of progenies is to start with a feminine, therefore, if the deceased has left a daughter and a son this means three feminine shares because the share resembling share of two feminine is to be allocated for a male. This takes care of all the progeny regardless how many are they. Two third of the Inheritance is reservedly allocated for them in all circumstances.

        Daughter and Son get two third. It leaves 1/3rd in the Divisible Inheritance left at the disposal of the person to bequeath for his mother, and father. Depending upon the volume of wealth, he can give something to his brother and sister if he so likes without overstepping the relative nearness.

        Now recall what I told you about the Noun and Ikhwatun.
        Leave your habit of reading and translating Arabic treating it as if it were a germanic language. I hope now you understand that the Noun of plural and signular deficient verb Kana refer back to and you might perceive the delecacy and superbness in the choice of words for giving instructions about inheritance.

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          Mazhar
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          I think in most Muslim countries the inheritance laws are enforced upon peopler which I thinks works in favour of women.
          In India Hindu women do not inherit and Pakistan is culturally the same so many girls could have lost their right to inherit if people had choice. In many rich families often boys are in control of business as well as the parents and there is a strong desire to keep money within the family.
          Salaam

          Allah the Exalted has authoritatively fixed the shares in all cases where people can abuse the rights of weaker segement of their families.

          The cause of abuse is this
          The love and desire of sensual excitements and gratifications has become fascinatingly attractive in the women and the Sons;
          So have become the desire to have a state of hoarded abundance of the Gold and the Silver, and the marked-pedigree horses , and abundance of herbivore-mammals, and for plenty of harvesting lands.
          This is the wealth-sustenance-provision of transitory worldly life.

          People usurp the rightful share of weaker segments

          And you people eat away the inheritance, in the manner of devouring-absorbing others share.
          And you people develop lust for the wealth, love intensified.

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            Noon_waalqalami
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            Sorry, you are running out patience, however, here problem is of bad weather, electric failur system switching from electric to generator and to electric, internet service getting interrupted.

            You're babbling -- I asked you Mazhar, a simple question; distribute shares

            mother, father, wife, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother

            Instead of answering all you do is rant because you are obviously clueless!

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              Maha
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              I think in most Muslim countries the inheritance laws are enforced upon peopler which I thinks works in favour of women.
              In India Hindu women do not inherit and Pakistan is culturally the same so many girls could have lost their right to inherit if people had choice. In many rich families often boys are in control of business as well as the parents and there is a strong desire to keep money within the family.
              Salaam

              No you are wrong. I have been in india and met hindu women who inherit property so yes In India hindu women do inherit property.

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                farida
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                No you are wrong. I have been in india and met hindu women who inherit property so yes In India hindu women do inherit property.

                Ignorant as always you need to rely more on solid information rather than your odd visit, its only in 2005 India introduced women's equall rights to inherit where there was no will left.
                You spend too much time on sunnies, for a change do some reading on the history of women's inheritance rights not only in India but in also in Europe including Sweden and Uk, where until last century women had no right to inherit in the absence of a will, and if they did inherit they were still under the power of a male guardian, when they married what ever they owned was inherited by their husbands who than became their gurdians. yes

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                  Mazhar
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                  You're babbling -- I asked you Mazhar, a simple question; distribute shares

                  mother, father, wife, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother

                  Instead of answering all you do is rant because you are obviously clueless!

                  You seem to have gone blind of heart. You did not read, shares are given alongwith Ayah.

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                    Noon_waalqalami
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                    You seem to have gone blind of heart. You did not read, shares are given alongwith Ayah.

                    Then what are you afraid of? Tell us how to distribute? Perhaps you are clueless?

                    mother, father, wife, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother

                    mother, father
                    mother, son
                    mother, daughter
                    mother, sister
                    mother,brother
                    mother, spouse
                    father, son
                    father, daughter
                    father, sister
                    father, brother
                    father, spouse
                    son, daughter
                    son, sister
                    son, brother

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                      Mazhar
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                      Part cut from Reply 40

                      Daughter and Son get two third. It leaves 1/3rd in the Divisible Inheritance left at the disposal of the person to bequeath for his mother, and father. Depending upon the volume of wealth, he can give something to his brother and sister if he so likes without overstepping the relative nearness.

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                        Noon_waalqalami
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                        Part cut from Reply 40

                        That was not an answer! It was also the wrong answer for son and daughter; 2/3 is to females!

                        411... so if kunna/are (feminine plural) nisa/women above two (feminine) falahunna/so to them (feminine) thulutha (2/3)

                        Again like the coward and too proud to admit error you ran away! I asked you to distribute these...

                        mother, father, wife, 1 daughter, 1 son, 1 sister, 1 brother

                        mother, father
                        mother, son
                        mother, daughter
                        mother, sister
                        mother, brother
                        mother, wife
                        mother, husband
                        father, son
                        father, daughter
                        father, sister
                        father, brother
                        father, wife
                        father, husband
                        son, daughter
                        son, sister
                        son, brother
                        son, wife
                        son, husband
                        daughter, sister
                        daughter, brother
                        daughter, wife
                        daughter, husband
                        sister, brother
                        sister, wife
                        sister, husband
                        brother, wife
                        brother, husband

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                          Mazhar
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                          That was not an answer! It was also the wrong answer for son and daughter; 2/3 is to females!

                          411... so if kunna/are (feminine plural) nisa/women above two (feminine) falahunna/so to them (feminine) thulutha (2/3)

                          Again like the coward and too proud to admit error you ran away!

                          How many times should I tell you that you do not know Arabic. You treat it as if it were a germanic language.

                          Even perhaps you do not know the grammar of English language.

                          Look at the Verb. Blue part is Plural Feminine Pronoun and even an idiot knows that a Pronoun refers back to a a specific Noun. Tell me to whom it links and describes?

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                            How many times should I tell you that you do not know Arabic. You treat it as if it were a germanic language.

                            Even perhaps you do not know the grammar of English language.
                            Look at the Verb. Blue part is Plural Feminine Pronoun and even an idiot knows that a Pronoun refers back to a a specific Noun. Tell me to whom it links and describes?

                            You're a clueless idiot! Tell us how falahunna/so to them (feminine) can be other than to females?

                            Likewise you are a coward and a run away! You like threes, here then distribute inheritance for these...

                            1. mother, father, son
                            2. mother, father, daughter
                            3. mother, father, wife
                            4. mother, father, husband
                            5. mother, father, sister
                            6. mother, father, brother
                            7. mother, son, daughter
                            8. mother, son, wife
                            9. mother, son, husband
                            10. mother, son, sister
                            11. mother, son, brother
                            12. mother, daughter, wife
                            13. mother, daughter, husband
                            14. mother, daughter, sister
                            15. mother, daughter, brother
                            16. mother, wife, sister
                            17. mother, wife, brother
                            18. mother, husband, sister
                            19. mother, husband, brother
                            20. mother, sister, brother
                            21. father, son, daughter
                            22. father, son, wife
                            23. father, son, husband
                            24. father, son, sister
                            25. father, son, brother
                            26. father, daughter, wife
                            27. father, daughter, husband
                            28. father, daughter, sister
                            29. father, daughter, brother
                            30. father, wife, sister
                            31. father, wife, brother
                            32. father, husband, sister
                            33. father, husband, brother
                            34. father, sister, brother
                            35. son, daughter, wife
                            36. son, daughter, husband
                            37. son, daughter, sister
                            38. son, daughter, brother
                            39. son, wife, sister
                            40. son, wife, brother
                            41. son, husband, sister
                            42. son, husband, brother
                            43. son, sister, brother
                            44. daughter, wife, sister
                            45. daughter, wife, brother
                            46. daughter, husband, sister
                            47. daughter, husband, brother
                            48. daughter, sister, brother
                            49. wife, sister, brother
                            50. husband, sister, brother
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                              Mazhar
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                              Mazhar on Today at 062716 AM
                              How many times should I tell you that you do not know Arabic. You treat it as if it were a germanic language.

                              Even perhaps you do not know the grammar of English language.
                              Look at the Verb. Blue part is Plural Feminine Pronoun and even an idiot knows that a Pronoun refers back to a a specific Noun. Tell me to whom it links and describes?

                              You're a clueless idiot! Tell us how falahunna/so to them (feminine) can be other than to females?

                              Why are you exposing yourself? Do you not know that Hunna-a plural feminine pronoun refers back to identified and known women, and so is the Noon in Kunna. Who are those women you are reffering by pronoun "them"? Identify and relate them.

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                                Why are you exposing yourself? Do you not know that Hunna-a plural feminine pronoun refers back to identified and known women, and so is the Noon in Kunna. Who are those women you are reffering by pronoun "them"? Identify and relate them.

                                O' now you admit it refers back to women; so you contradict yourself by allocating 2/3 to son and daughter?

                                Likewise you admit son and daughter case allocate shares to them (wrongly); still avoid giving distributions?

                                Run away Mazhar run!

                                You're a clueless idiot! Tell us how falahunna/so to them (feminine) can be other than to females?

                                Likewise you are a coward and a run away! You like threes, here then distribute inheritance for these...

                                1. mother, father, son
                                2. mother, father, daughter
                                3. mother, father, wife
                                4. mother, father, husband
                                5. mother, father, sister
                                6. mother, father, brother
                                7. mother, son, daughter
                                8. mother, son, wife
                                9. mother, son, husband
                                10. mother, son, sister
                                11. mother, son, brother
                                12. mother, daughter, wife
                                13. mother, daughter, husband
                                14. mother, daughter, sister
                                15. mother, daughter, brother
                                16. mother, wife, sister
                                17. mother, wife, brother
                                18. mother, husband, sister
                                19. mother, husband, brother
                                20. mother, sister, brother
                                21. father, son, daughter
                                22. father, son, wife
                                23. father, son, husband
                                24. father, son, sister
                                25. father, son, brother
                                26. father, daughter, wife
                                27. father, daughter, husband
                                28. father, daughter, sister
                                29. father, daughter, brother
                                30. father, wife, sister
                                31. father, wife, brother
                                32. father, husband, sister
                                33. father, husband, brother
                                34. father, sister, brother
                                35. son, daughter, wife
                                36. son, daughter, husband
                                37. son, daughter, sister
                                38. son, daughter, brother
                                39. son, wife, sister
                                40. son, wife, brother
                                41. son, husband, sister
                                42. son, husband, brother
                                43. son, sister, brother
                                44. daughter, wife, sister
                                45. daughter, wife, brother
                                46. daughter, husband, sister
                                47. daughter, husband, brother
                                48. daughter, sister, brother
                                49. wife, sister, brother
                                50. husband, sister, brother
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                                  Mazhar
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                                  Quote from Mazhar on Today at 070640 AM
                                  Why are you exposing yourself? Do you not know that Hunna-a plural feminine pronoun refers back to identified and known women, and so is the Noon in Kunna. Who are those women you are reffering by pronoun "them"? Identify and relate them.

                                  O' now you admit it refers back to women; so you contradict yourself by allocating 2/3 to son and daughter?

                                  It seems that the point has finally got in to your brain. But are still shy to boldly accept it and stop playing with words.

                                  Look how much you have eaten up in one simple sentence of Arabic, thereby, building up a theses without known what is stated therein.

                                  411... so if kunna/are (feminine plural) nisa/women above two (feminine) falahunna/so to them (feminine) thulutha (2/3

                                  so if be females above two (feminine) so for them two thirds what left

                                  There is a visible Pronoun in it. Almost all the translators tried to mention it by using adverb "there" which can be used as Pronoun introducing a sentence stating that something exists, develops, or can be seen. However, they overlooked that in Arabic it is not the case. In Arabic the Visible and Hidden Pronoun of a Verb must link back to known entity-entities or its Subject must be mentioned after it.

                                  The above is undeniable established fact in linguistics.
                                  Ponder over it, and let it get in memory. It will facilitate me making and you to understand what is stated in the sentence and in following clauses.

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                                    Noon_waalqalami
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                                    It seems that the point has finally got in to your brain. But are still shy to boldly accept it and stop playing with words.

                                    Look how much you have eaten up in one simple sentence of Arabic, thereby, building up a theses without known what is stated therein.

                                    There is a visible Pronoun in it. Almost all the translators tried to mention it by using adverb "there" which can be used as Pronoun introducing a sentence stating that something exists, develops, or can be seen. However, they overlooked that in Arabic it is not the case. In Arabic the Visible and Hidden Pronoun of a Verb must link back to known entity-entities or its Subject must be mentioned after it.

                                    The above is undeniable established fact in linguistics.
                                    Ponder over it, and let it get in memory. It will facilitate me making and you to understand what is stated in the sentence and in following clauses.

                                    Why you still ranting, running away, trying to switch, and hide under bushes of grammar?

                                    You now admit 2/3 is to women! You wrongly told a user 2/3 is to 1 daughter and 2 sons!
                                    You wrote an article on inheritance and when asked to distribute -- you ran like a coward!

                                    I'll ask you again; distribute the shares otherwise stay away from things you are clueless!

                                    Two inheritors...

                                    mother, father
                                    mother, son
                                    mother, daughter
                                    mother, sister
                                    mother, brother
                                    mother, wife
                                    mother, husband
                                    father, son
                                    father, daughter
                                    father, sister
                                    father, brother
                                    father, wife
                                    father, husband
                                    son, daughter
                                    son, sister
                                    son, brother
                                    son, wife
                                    son, husband
                                    daughter, sister
                                    daughter, brother
                                    daughter, wife
                                    daughter, husband
                                    sister, brother
                                    sister, wife
                                    sister, husband
                                    brother, wife
                                    brother, husband

                                    Three inheritors...

                                    mother, father, son
                                    mother, father, daughter
                                    mother, father, wife
                                    mother, father, husband
                                    mother, father, sister
                                    mother, father, brother
                                    mother, son, daughter
                                    mother, son, wife
                                    mother, son, husband
                                    mother, son, sister
                                    mother, son, brother
                                    mother, daughter, wife
                                    mother, daughter, husband
                                    mother, daughter, sister
                                    mother, daughter, brother
                                    mother, wife, sister
                                    mother, wife, brother
                                    mother, husband, sister
                                    mother, husband, brother
                                    mother, sister, brother
                                    father, son, daughter
                                    father, son, wife
                                    father, son, husband
                                    father, son, sister
                                    father, son, brother
                                    father, daughter, wife
                                    father, daughter, husband
                                    father, daughter, sister
                                    father, daughter, brother
                                    father, wife, sister
                                    father, wife, brother
                                    father, husband, sister
                                    father, husband, brother
                                    father, sister, brother
                                    son, daughter, wife
                                    son, daughter, husband
                                    son, daughter, sister
                                    son, daughter, brother
                                    son, wife, sister
                                    son, wife, brother
                                    son, husband, sister
                                    son, husband, brother
                                    son, sister, brother
                                    daughter, wife, sister
                                    daughter, wife, brother
                                    daughter, husband, sister
                                    daughter, husband, brother
                                    daughter, sister, brother
                                    wife, sister, brother
                                    husband, sister, brother

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                                      Recluse
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                                      Cant we just let people themselves decide who they want to inherit after them ?? If someone wants to give all his property to his daughter and nothing to his son, then let him.

                                      Peace

                                      That would be unjust, also nobody "owns" anything. Allah says everything belongs to Him and He doesn't like injustice.

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                                        Mazhar
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                                        Noon Reply 54

                                        This was replied in Reply194 on your sticky thread.

                                        Man has left worldly wealth.

                                        Left wealth - Outstanding liabilities of the deceased = Divisible Inheritance

                                        Divisible Inheritance = 1

                                        a) The shares cut and apportioned by Allah the Exalted from Divisible Inheritance = X
                                        It is called by Allah . Inalienable and unalterable part cut and apportioned by Allah the Exalted.

                                        b) Divisible Inheritance - X = Y
                                        c) X + Y=1 . + [/size

                                        Allah the Exalted has covered all possible situations that could exist on ground relating to many many combinations of relatively nearer relatives. Relativity keep shifting to the remotest relationship step by step for which reason Comparitive Noun is used for .

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                                          Noon Reply 54

                                          This was replied in Reply194 on your sticky thread.

                                          Man has left worldly wealth.

                                          Left wealth - Outstanding liabilities of the deceased = Divisible Inheritance

                                          Divisible Inheritance = 1

                                          a) The shares cut and apportioned by Allah the Exalted from Divisible Inheritance = X
                                          It is called by Allah . Inalienable and unalterable part cut and apportioned by Allah the Exalted.

                                          b) Divisible Inheritance - X = Y
                                          c) X + Y=1 . + [/size

                                          Allah the Exalted has covered all possible situations that could exist on ground relating to many many combinations of relatively nearer relatives. Relativity keep shifting to the remotest relationship step by step for which reason Comparitive Noun is used for .

                                          What kind of reply is that?

                                          Did you not write to user that 1 daughter and 2 sons get 2/3?
                                          Did you not finally confess and admit that 2/3 is to women?
                                          Did you not attribute your stupidity as coming from Allah?
                                          Did you not again refuse to answer distributions asked?

                                          Here is my suggestion to you Mazhar

                                          1. remove everything that you wrote on your site immediately stop spreading your lies
                                          2. admit your error ask forgiveness for attributing your nonsense saying it is from Allah
                                          3. when asked about inheritance, admit you are clueless and refer to those who know

                                          Otherwise, you're a kufur/denier fit to be chastised/punished in this world and the next.

                                          Salaam!

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