Why do you reject hadiths
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Why do you guys reject hadiths and why do you think that Hadiths are false and fabrications but still followed by more than 90% of muslims for more than 1000 years ?
Why Allah allowed such a massive corruption in his last and final religion ?
Peace rameez,
You have been given many points of view and in response you counter like an intellectual boxer.
Bobbing and weaving irregardless of the valid punches thrown.
It appears that you are not really asking a question, but digging your heels in to make a standPeace O0
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Peace rameez.
1- Quote Do you even tried to understand what point i was making ?
I said it is irrelevant we do not need to know. Why do you want to know something irrelevant? It is of no use since it has been changed.
If it is mentioned in hadith so what? GOD does not see it as important because He has not mentioned it.
2- Quote I don't know what did you read from my comments. I posted the following please read again
You should also have read my answer. I said the prohibition was since Abraham. I said Islam was the Deen/religion of Abraham. Muhammed was told to follow the Deen/religion of Abraham.
3-Quote The point worth consideration here is that the promise of All?h to give the Muslims victory against any of the two groups is not there in the Holy Qur'?n.
Similar to (1). Not relevant to know where, who? Relevant to know GOD gives victory to the believers.That is there.That is also enough for us to know.. If hadith is telling us something not in Qoran, but of no benefit to us, so what?4-Quote So, when We read it, follow its reading. Then it is on Us to explain it. (7516-19)
GOD explains to the "sincere" " la yamassuhu illa almutaharoon"
That is where the explanation is. Every sincere submitter who comes to learn Qoran and trust in GOD Alone. GOD will explain it to them.
Notice how the opposite is true- Every disbeliever will be prevented from understanding Qoran.5- Again GOD puts in Qoran what is relevant for us. If it is not in Qoran it is not needed.
6-Quote Where in the Quran the leave is given that is mentioned in the end of 595 ?
GOD s will simply means GOD knew what they were going to do before they did it.( He knew which trees they were to cut or leave)
It does not mean he said something that is not in Qoran.Peace.
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I see many places in Quran where, other prophets say Obey Me. So why should we only choose Prophet Muhammad? Just a few below. However we don't have hadith for Prophet Isa, Prophet Moses Prophet Noah and the others. I mean there are stories about things Prophet Isa said and did, which I suppose could be implemented, they are from good sources with less time space then the hadiths of Prophet Muhammad. But why risk it when I have the truth in front of me. Shaytan is an enemy that can easily influence any man.
When Isa came with clear signs, he said, '...fear Allah AND OBEY ME.'" 4363
"So fear Allah, and OBEY ME (Nuh)."26108,110
"But Fir'oun disobeyed the messenger; so we seized him with a heavy punishment." 7316
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Salam rameez
Response to Argument 1
465 But no, by your Lord, they will not believe until they make you, , judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in submission.2448 And when they are called to Allah and His Messenger to judge between them, at once a party of them turns aside .
Response to Argument 2
Hadiths are not gossips or conjecture. People of knowledge and authority have studied them extensively and have separated/pointed out fabrications. People have spent their lives in studying this thing.Response to Argument 3
I failed to see where it is mentioned that don't bring any other book. It just say "I follow what is revealed to me" .You are free to reject or accept whatever you want.
in 4-65, the word used is "Youhakkimounaka" and means that people ask for arbitration and accept judgment. I inform you that the prophet is no more living.
24-48 is a classic confusion between rassool and prophet. Rassool has only to transmit message.However your response to argument 1 is not a response to argument 1
Argument 1 says that Quran says that hadithers is target of demons since they transmit what they heard.you have also not responded to Argument 2. You are referinng to people with autority (who give them the autority ?) and with knowledge (From where they get it ? from the hadith ? ). Please explain.
if Hadiths are not gossips please take the hadith you want and try proove that Prophet Muhammad said That without referring to people you never met, seen or heard directly. In tribunals, this kind of proove is rejected because it is considered gossip.Response to argument 3 is also not response.
10-15 refers clearly to another Quran/lecture forbidden for prophet.
13-73 speaks clealy about inventing other thing. Also forbidden.
Please found mention of books other than quran to follow. Youhakkimounaka is not book, Hikma is not a book. I don't understand how you see books in words that don't means books. Put all the words you mentionned in google traduction and try see if books or hadith appears.Just by curiosity
456 These are the revelations of God, We recite them to you with the truth. So, in which "Hadith" after God and His "Ayats" do they believe?
How can you not see Hadith in Hadith in verse 45-6. Please tell me what you see ?
I am really interested to know how a hadither thinks.
What does hadith means if it doesent mean Hadith ?
Is Hadith brought by Bukhari ayats ?Peace
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Peace rameez.
1- Quote Do you even tried to understand what point i was making ?
I said it is irrelevant we do not need to know. Why do you want to know something irrelevant? It is of no use since it has been changed.
If it is mentioned in hadith so what? GOD does not see it as important because He has not mentioned it.
Haha, its so funny how you are ignoring my question. People were facing some qiblah before revelation of new qiblah. Who told them about that Qiblah ? If only Quran was revealed to Messenger then it means Earlier Qiblah must be mentioned in Quran. Else how people were facing the Qiblah when it is not mentioned in Quran ?
2- Quote I don't know what did you read from my comments. I posted the following please read again
You should also have read my answer. I said the prohibition was since Abraham. I said Islam was the Deen/religion of Abraham. Muhammed was told to follow the Deen/religion of Abraham.
It says they used to commit sexual intercourse in ramadan but they knew it was prohibited . Who made it prohibited ? How they were following Deen/religion of abraham when they were worshipping multiple gods ? Why Allah said that your sins are forgiven ? It simply means that they were doing it after accepting Messenger of Quran.
3-Quote The point worth consideration here is that the promise of All?h to give the Muslims victory against any of the two groups is not there in the Holy Qur'?n.
Similar to (1). Not relevant to know where, who? Relevant to know GOD gives victory to the believers.That is there.That is also enough for us to know.. If hadith is telling us something not in Qoran, but of no benefit to us, so what?I am asking where are those words that "Allah said earlier" ? You guys say that only Quran was revealed to Messenger , so it means these words of Allah which he said earlier must be in Quran . Else you have to agree that there was another type of revelation to Messenger other than Quran.
4-Quote So, when We read it, follow its reading. Then it is on Us to explain it. (7516-19)
GOD explains to the "sincere" " la yamassuhu illa almutaharoon"
That is where the explanation is. Every sincere submitter who comes to learn Qoran and trust in GOD Alone. GOD will explain it to them.
Notice how the opposite is true- Every disbeliever will be prevented from understanding Qoran."When WE read it, follow its reading. Then it is on Us to explain it" . The verse clearly saying that after reading we will explain. But as usual being a Quranist , you are expert in ignoring and twisting.
5- Again GOD puts in Qoran what is relevant for us. If it is not in Qoran it is not needed.
6-Quote Where in the Quran the leave is given that is mentioned in the end of 595 ?
GOD s will simply means GOD knew what they were going to do before they did it.( He knew which trees they were to cut or leave)
It does not mean he said something that is not in Qoran.
Peace.595 Whatever you have cut down of palm trees or left standing on their trunks - it was by permission of Allah and so He would disgrace the defiantly disobedient.
Can you find any statement in Quran which tell them the leave to "cut down" trees ?
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Peace rameez,
You have been given many points of view and in response you counter like an intellectual boxer.
Bobbing and weaving irregardless of the valid punches thrown.
It appears that you are not really asking a question, but digging your heels in to make a standPeace O0
LOL . Valid punches ? Bringing irrelevant verses, ignoring questions is what you call valid punches? Oh yes Quranists are expert in it
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Salam rameez
if Hadiths are not gossips please take the hadith you want and try proove that Prophet Muhammad said That without referring to people you never met, seen or heard directly. In tribunals, this kind of proove is rejected because it is considered gossip.
I will respond to your other questions after . Now let me ask you to quote a verse and PROVE THAT IT WAS REVEALED TO MESSENGER VIA GIBREEL AND IN TURN WAS REVEALED BY ALLAH.
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you have also not responded to Argument 2. You are referinng to people with autority (who give them the autority ?) and with knowledge (From where they get it ? from the hadith ? ). Please explain.
if Hadiths are not gossips please take the hadith you want and try proove that Prophet Muhammad said That without referring to people you never met, seen or heard directly. In tribunals, this kind of proove is rejected because it is considered gossip.Salaams.
The bold part doesn't do you justice at all. By that logic, one can easily discredit Qur'an as well, since it came to us through an angel, then through a human we didn't really meet. Just saying.
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It is preposterous to compare Hadiths with Qur'an. The Qur'an is a clear unit, a book, complete, that nobody has claimed to come from a collection of sayings of different people, there is only one source. Hadith are a collection of sayings of many diferent people who purport to have been told or heard something without any claim to it coming from God. You may reject the Qur'an because you do not believe that it comes from God, but the hadiths you can simply reject because patently they do not come from God, therefore are not binding for anybody.
The case of the hadith is the same as the bible and the gospels, hearsay of different people by different people.
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Peace,
This is a way to approach the final revelation of God.
The final revelation that God himself swore to guard.
But to understand it you must first side with God
and not be one of the doubtersFirst let's agree
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Inna nahnu nazzalna alththikra wa-inna lahu lahafithoona
YUSUFALI We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).
PICKTHAL Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder, and lo! We verily are its Guardian.
SHAKIR Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its guardian.
KHALIFA Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.If we agree with the preceding verse, then that begs the question
How can shaytayn turn us back to shirk if the Quran itself has prevented the devil
access like he gained to previous scripture?He said, "Since You have willed that I go astray, I will skulk for them on Your straight path.
"I will come to them from before them, and from behind them, and from their right, and from their left, and You will find that most of them are unappreciative."as we can see shaytayn says he will not let us take the straight path without a fight
Here we go.
one tool the devil uses are mistranslations of the Quran.
another way is to invent other sources of authority that add or subtract from
from what (Quran) God says.
Remember what happened to the previous scripturesDo you expect them to believe as you do, when some of them used to hear the word of GOD, then distort it, with full understanding thereof, and deliberately?
To protect yourself from shaytayn (who has many faces and schemes) it would be wise to trust none other than God.
Remember judgement day is coming! play it safe.Peace O0
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Peace rameez.
1-Quote Haha, its so funny how you are ignoring my question. People were facing some qiblah before revelation of new qiblah. Who told them about that Qiblah ? If only Quran was revealed to Messenger then it means Earlier Qiblah must be mentioned in Quran. Else how people were facing the Qiblah when it is not mentioned in Quran ?The verse is using the past tense. Why would the Qoran need to mention it? It does not matter who told them before. It is in the past therefore no need to mention it in Qoran.
All personal communication with a messenger that is not in Qoran is not relevant
" We did not leave anything out of this book". The Qoran is fully detailed.2- It says they used to commit sexual intercourse in ramadan but they knew it was prohibited . Who made it prohibited ? How they were following Deen/religion of abraham when they were worshipping multiple gods ? Why Allah said that your sins are forgiven ? It simply means that they were doing it after accepting Messenger of Quran.
Yes, but before the verse was revealed. Remember the Qoran was revealed in stages, They were still under the old rule which some were breaking.
3-Quote I am asking where are those words that "Allah said earlier" ? You guys say that only Quran was revealed to Messenger , so it means these words of Allah which he said earlier must be in Quran . Else you have to agree that there was another type of revelation to Messenger other than Quran.
Qoran is fully detailed. Whatever was said to the messenger is personal and irrelevant to everybody else.( Along with whatever was fabricated to have been said to the messenger).
Tomorrow on the day of judgement the messenger will say" My Lord my people have abandoned the Qoran" not his sayings or anything else.4-Quote "When WE read it, follow its reading. Then it is on Us to explain it" . The verse clearly saying that after reading we will explain. But as usual being a Quranist , you are expert in ignoring and twisting.
Who is "WE"? It is god and the invisible soldiers of GOD ( Angels).
" We sent down the -dhikr and We will protect it." It is the same We GOD and His Angels .5- 595 Whatever you have cut down of palm trees or left standing on their trunks - it was by permission of Allah and so He would disgrace the defiantly disobedient.
Can you find any statement in Quran which tell them the leave to "cut down" trees ?
Same as " You did not throw when you threw, it was GOD who threw". It means GOD is in control of everything.
GOD is saying it was " his will" meaning HE knew exactly what they were going to cut down or leave standing.
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If any consensus is there on the awra based on this Hadith alone, kindly give me the reference.Well, I don't know how to answer this because from my own experience with the majority of traditionalist Muslims around me (Sunni using Syafi'i fiqh and some other minor variations) it is only that Asma' hadith which is used to define the female aurat. I don't know whether there are other hadith regarding the same matter. And I am not familiar with the situation in other countries or sects.
However, usually when people are taught about the female aurat, the teachers just say the limits are the whole body except for the face and hands, no mention of why it is so. It's common in religious teaching here (and maybe anywhere) to "cut the explanation" and urge laypeople to just obey. It is a practice I don't approve; we should know the reason and basis for everything we are told to believe.
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Peace,
here's a repost from me earlier, maybe shorter is better!
one tool the devil uses are mistranslations of the Quran.
another way is to invent other sources of authority that add or subtract from
from what (Quran) God says. Remember what happened to the previous scripturesDo you expect them to believe as you do, when some of them used to hear the word of GOD, then distort it, with full understanding thereof, and deliberately?
To protect yourself from shaytayn (who has many faces and schemes) it would be wise to trust none other than God.
Remember judgement day is coming! play it safe.Peace
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Now let me ask you to quote a verse and PROVE THAT IT WAS REVEALED TO MESSENGER VIA GIBREEL AND IN TURN WAS REVEALED BY ALLAH.
Proof between His hands (i.e. directly from The God) transmission Gabriel to messenger.
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32 The God no deity only He The Living The Sustainer of all
33 descended to you the book in the truth confirming to what between His hands and descended the Taurat and The Injeel12111 truly is in their stories a lesson for those the understanding not is narratives/hadith invented and nonetheless confirmation the one that between His hands and detailed explaination each a thing and guidance and mercy for people they believe
297 say who is an enemy to Gabriel so indeed he descended it over your heart by permission The God confirming to what between His hands and guidance and glad tidings to the believers
Now ask forgiveness and apologize to us and tell the idiots who made this question up never to ask it again.
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Peace rameez.
Finally, let us apply your argument about the messenger to all GOD s messengers that GOD must have communicated with them and some of that communication is not in Qoran, therefore we must also follow that communication/sayings
-Would you agree that GOD sent other messengers as well as Muhammed?
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Would you agree that god commanded that we make no distinction between His messengers.
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Would you agree that GOD communicated with all of them.
-Would you agree that there were messengers not mentioned in Qoran.
( " Some We told you about and some We did not"Are you saying we must follow all these sayings also. Even the ones GOD has not mentioned. How are we to do that?
We do not even know who they are?
Because if you do not, according to your argument we should follow the sayings of one of them if it is not in Qoran, we will be making a distinction.GOD asks us to trust in Him Alone. Therefore everything required for our salvation is in Qoran.
Those who follow other books are undermining GOD s authority and trusting others. GOD calls it " idol worship"
GOD has provided every example for us in Qoran " Whatever argument they come up with, We bring you the truth and a better understanding."
Peace.
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Proof between His hands (i.e. directly from The God) transmission Gabriel to messenger.
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32 The God no deity only He The Living The Sustainer of all
33 descended to you the book in the truth confirming to what between His hands and descended the Taurat and The Injeel12111 truly is in their stories a lesson for those the understanding not is narratives/hadith invented and nonetheless confirmation the one that between His hands and detailed explaination each a thing and guidance and mercy for people they believe
297 say who is an enemy to Gabriel so indeed he descended it over your heart by permission The God confirming to what between His hands and guidance and glad tidings to the believers
Now ask forgiveness and apologize to us and tell the idiots who made this question up never to ask it again.
Lol.You are proving Quran from Quran itself. Please prove that these verses were given to Jibraeel and he conveyed to Messenger.
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Peace rameez.
1-Quote Haha, its so funny how you are ignoring my question. People were facing some qiblah before revelation of new qiblah. Who told them about that Qiblah ? If only Quran was revealed to Messenger then it means Earlier Qiblah must be mentioned in Quran. Else how people were facing the Qiblah when it is not mentioned in Quran ?The verse is using the past tense. Why would the Qoran need to mention it? It does not matter who told them before. It is in the past therefore no need to mention it in Qoran.
All personal communication with a messenger that is not in Qoran is not relevant
" We did not leave anything out of this book". The Qoran is fully detailed.You are right here contradicting yourself. WE did not leave anything out of this book. But earlier is missing in the book and it is proven that People were facing that Qiblah so it must be in Quran else they were following a conjecture.
2- It says they used to commit sexual intercourse in ramadan but they knew it was prohibited . Who made it prohibited ? How they were following Deen/religion of abraham when they were worshipping multiple gods ? Why Allah said that your sins are forgiven ? It simply means that they were doing it after accepting Messenger of Quran.
Yes, but before the verse was revealed. Remember the Qoran was revealed in stages, They were still under the old rule which some were breaking.
Which old rule ? rule of Polytheism ?
3-Quote I am asking where are those words that "Allah said earlier" ? You guys say that only Quran was revealed to Messenger , so it means these words of Allah which he said earlier must be in Quran . Else you have to agree that there was another type of revelation to Messenger other than Quran.
Qoran is fully detailed. Whatever was said to the messenger is personal and irrelevant to everybody else.( Along with whatever was fabricated to have been said to the messenger).
Tomorrow on the day of judgement the messenger will say" My Lord my people have abandoned the Qoran" not his sayings or anything else.Said to the messenger ? You said Allah revealed only Quran to Messenger but here you are agreeing that there were other messages given to Messenger.
4-Quote "When WE read it, follow its reading. Then it is on Us to explain it" . The verse clearly saying that after reading we will explain. But as usual being a Quranist , you are expert in ignoring and twisting.
Who is "WE"? It is god and the invisible soldiers of GOD ( Angels).
" We sent down the -dhikr and We will protect it." It is the same We GOD and His Angels .I am not asking the definition of WE. Bringing another verse instead of answering question is what you are doing .My question is WHERE IS THE EXPLANATION that is promised in the verse after reading of words ?
5- 595 Whatever you have cut down of palm trees or left standing on their trunks - it was by permission of Allah and so He would disgrace the defiantly disobedient.
Can you find any statement in Quran which tell them the leave to "cut down" trees ?
Same as " You did not throw when you threw, it was GOD who threw". It means GOD is in control of everything.
GOD is saying it was " his will" meaning HE knew exactly what they were going to cut down or leave standing.
Peace.You are again ignoring the question. Who told those believers that Allah has given leave to cut down the trees ? Because the verse says "You cut down the trees and left some" . I cannot find any such leave given in Quran so there was some other source from which they god this leave.
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Peace rameez.
Finally, let us apply your argument about the messenger to all GOD s messengers that GOD must have communicated with them and some of that communication is not in Qoran, therefore we must also follow that communication/sayings
I am not required to follow all Messengers except Muhammad. All Messengers other than Muhammad(SAW) were for the people of their time. Quran says People of Moses were given punishment to kill each other. It doesn't mean I have to follow this verse, it is just for guiding me that how grave the sin of shirk is.
Allah do not say follow All messengers. It says "Obey Allah and Obey the Messenger".
-Would you agree that GOD sent other messengers as well as Muhammed?
Yes obviously . But they were for limited time and period.
- Would you agree that god commanded that we make no distinction between His messengers.
No distinction simply means we BELIEVE IN ALL MESSENGERS that were before Muhammad and last and final prophet+messenger Muhammad.
- Would you agree that GOD communicated with all of them.
Yes
-Would you agree that there were messengers not mentioned in Qoran.
( " Some We told you about and some We did not"Yes
Are you saying we must follow all these sayings also. Even the ones GOD has not mentioned. How are we to do that?
We do not even know who they are?
Because if you do not, according to your argument we should follow the sayings of one of them if it is not in Qoran, we will be making a distinction.No it is not distinction. Allah sent Messengers to be obeyed . Every Messenger sent was obeyed. Now last and final Messenger is sent so He mus be obeyed. Basic message of all Messengers were same , but many rules are different for different Messengers. Quran asks me to obey THE MESSENGER. So I have to obey only Muhammad(SAW).
GOD asks us to trust in Him Alone. Therefore everything required for our salvation is in Qoran.
How do you get from trust in Him Alone to everything for salvation in Quran ?
Those who follow other books are undermining GOD s authority and trusting others. GOD calls it " idol worship"
GOD has provided every example for us in Qoran " Whatever argument they come up with, We bring you the truth and a better understanding."
Peace.
Please explain.
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Lol.You are proving Quran from Quran itself. Please prove that these verses were given to Jibraeel and he conveyed to Messenger.
I don't know what is your goal here. Anyways Quran is about faith and not proof. Can you prove that God exist to an atheist? I am not sure what your are trying to achieve. As long as you believe in abrogation it won't work. No Quranist is going to accept abrogation.
Quranist are either one of those parties
- They only accept the Quran as a religious source.
- They accept the Quran and previous scriptures.
- They accept the Quran and Islamic rituals but not hadiths.
- They accept the Quran and Islamic rituals and hadiths that does not contradict the Quran.
- Not necessarily among any but switch according to specific issues. Most Quranist tend to be in this category, at least the ones here are.
None believe in abrogation. None believe in accepting what contradicts an explicit verse from the Quran.
Now there should be another criteria but this is still a work in progress and that is nothing should be made binding that is not supported by an explicit verse from the Quran. Some Quranist still have a problem with this. This usually are the ones who still follow the Islamic rituals and hadiths that do not contradict the Quran. They still do not want to acknowledge Quranist who don't want to follow the Islamic rituals since they are not stated as such in the Quran. They want to make those rituals binding as they are (like the 5 salat). Without an explicit verse from the Quran they will not able to since many Quranist will demand that evidence from the Quran.
If you believe in abrogation and believe that the sunnah can add legislation that is binding, than you will not get far with any Quranist. Even with the ones who accept hadiths since those ones still will not accept what contradicts the Quran. This is what seperates a Quranist from a Sunni/Shia follower. Abrogation and binding authority.
Now lets look at how Sunni Islam understands things
Authority of the Sunnah
The Sunnah can be divided into three parts
Confirming Sunnah. This is the part of the Sunnah that confirms what is in the Qur'an, and reinforces it.
Explanatory Sunnah. This part of the Sunnah explains the holy Qur'an and the various Shariah injunctions that come in the holy Qur'an. It includes four parts expanding on what is mentioned only briefly in the holy Qur'an, explaining difficult verses or issues, putting limits on general statements in the Qur'an and finally specifying generalities in the Qur'an.
Sunnah that brings new legislation. This part of the Sunnah is the one that brings new legislation, and new Shariah that is not in the holy Qur'an
http//www.al-islami.com/islam/authority_of_sunnah.php
So a genral statements like this
Not all of them are alike; a party of the people of the Scripture stand for the right, they recite the Verses of God during the hours of the night, prostrating themselves in prayer. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin Al-Ma'r?f and forbid Al-Munkar ; and they hasten in (all) good works; and they are among the righteous. And whatever good they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for God knows well those who are Al-Muttaq?n .(3113-115)
And there are, certainly, among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), those who believe in God and in that which has been revealed to you, and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before God. They do not sell the Verses of God for a little price, for them is a reward with their Lord. Surely, God is Swift in account. '(3199)'
Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve 2.62
Have been made specific meaning this is concerning the earlier Jews and Christians before Islam etc or something like that. They then will quote the verses about the kufar among them and ignore the verses about the believers among them.
Or a specific statement made general. Jizya is a good example where somthing specif about the Meccans who were fighting the prophet and their duty to pay compensation for their persecutions against the believers and their exiling of them became a general concept concerning all non Muslims living in an Islamic state.
Adding legislation of course means many things like 5 salat, like eating with the right hand, circumcision, slavery of prisoners etc and making that binding on Muslims or accepted pats of Shariah law.
Our Sunni friend here avoided one more thing, abrogation. This is usually a sensitive subject for clerics. Apostasy law is a very good example of abrogation also offensive war where all the freedom verses are abrogated and the defensive war verses were abrogated. But our Sunni freind did not actually say the Sunnah can abrogate the Quran. Many clerics will deny that but the realty is that is what they are doing.
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I don't know what is your goal here. Anyways Quran is about faith and not proof. Can you prove that God exist to an atheist? I am not sure what your are trying to achieve. As long as you believe in abrogation it won't work. No Quranist is going to accept abrogation.
He asked me to prove Hadith that it was said by Muhammad, I asked him to prove that the verses of Quran were revealed by Allah , given to Messenger by Jibraeel. Simple
Quranist are either one of those parties
- They only accept the Quran as a religious source.
- They accept the Quran and previous scriptures.
- They accept the Quran and Islamic rituals but not hadiths.
- They accept the Quran and Islamic rituals and hadiths that does not contradict the Quran.
- Not necessarily among any but switch according to specific issues. Most Quranist tend to be in this category, at least the ones here are.
Now suddenly many things have changed.
Quran with Sunnah (Islamic Rituals) with Hadiths ? Where is Sunnah in Quran , when only Quran was revealed they are following conjecture and claiming that Sunnis are wrong , MashAllah ? Isn't it sunnah(Islamic Rituals) also hearsay and conjecture ?
None believe in abrogation. None believe in accepting what contradicts an explicit verse from the Quran.
Abrogation is right there in Quran , you want to remain blind that is your choice. So you mean "cherrypicking".
Now there should be another criteria but this is still a work in progress and that is nothing should be made binding that is not supported by an explicit verse from the Quran. Some Quranist still have a problem with this
Lol. Book that explains itself and has everything is unable to explain to Quranist for more than 1400 years ago. MashAllah .
Sunnah that brings new legislation. This part of the Sunnah is the one that brings new legislation, and new Shariah that is not in the holy Qur'an
In my questions asked before I have asked a question that "Where is the leave in Quran that allowed believers to cut down trees" ? If it is not in Quran why they followed some new legislation ?