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    Seeker_of_the_true_light
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    Salaam guys,

    I was brought up in a Sunni family. I have read the Quran but I have read it in Arabic, however when i was married, I was told that reading it in Arabic would only be counted, not in English. Why should we read it in Arabic when we should read it in a language which we can understand and absorb god's words. I feel that we should read the holy book in a language that we can understand so we can take in exactly what god expects us to do.

    I was told by my husband that in Islam, the only purpose of a woman is to be used as objects for men. However, I don't believe in my heart that god created any slaves for men to use. But I have started rereading the Quran in English to seek the truth of Islam.

    What concerns me mostly is the salat. What verses of the Quran are stated in the salat that Muslims around the world are performing, facing the qaba? Is there any rules on how you pray to god? I feel emotionally closer to god when I do my dua than when I am doing my namaz.

    Thank you for listening to my concerns. )

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      Kamzo19
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      Salaam and Welcome.

      Here is an article I like when talking about Salaat in Quran

      http//www.yuksel.org/e/religion/salaat.htm

      As for your husband, I'm sorry about what he thinks about women. Anyway, It's been a long time I have a question I never asked to a woman married to someone who is able to think like that. And I know a lot.

      Here it is what do you feel, being married to someone able to uphold such anti-quranic ideas ?

      Other questions Wouldn't it be better to marry someone else ? I mean, with a more quranic behavior and thinking ?

      Peace.

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        sushi1992
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        Salaam and Welcome.

        Here is an article I like when talking about Salaat in Quran

        http//www.yuksel.org/e/religion/salaat.htm

        As for your husband, I'm sorry about what he thinks about women. Anyway, It's been a long time I have a question I never asked to a woman married to someone who is able to think like that. And I know a lot.

        Here it is what do you feel, being married to someone able to uphold such anti-quranic ideas ?

        Other questions Wouldn't it be better to marry someone else ? I mean, with a more quranic behavior and thinking ?

        Peace.

        Selam Kamzo,

        I think that this article does not still fulfill the correct interpretation of our direction or target of connection with God during salat and after/before. We are told to face the al-masjid-al-haram wherever we are and that this is the truth from our lord. We are not to face the ka'ba that you have demonstrated in the link. I recommend you read an article from Dr Ayman who actually has studied origins and translations of obedience to God multiple times for many years and I myself have also studied this in some depth and find very little evidence that there is a physical prayer direction. In fact, that little evidence is zero to be honest. In regards to Abraham building the ka'ba, if we can differentiate between proper and common nouns then we would know that ka'ba simply means a base or sanctuary. This location was also given in Bakka and not Mecca as there is no evidence whatsoever that a town called Mecca even existed at that time. Also, no such town is ever mentioned in the Quran/Reading and when 'makkah' is mentioned in the reading, we cAn clearly check the translation in the Arabic dictionaries that it means 'destruction'. Please find Ayman's article below. I would ponder on it for quite some time.

        Peace peace

        http//free-minds.org/whats-name

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          Seeker_of_the_true_light
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          Salaam kamzo

          Thank you for your reply.

          In answer to your question, it was hard living with a mental and physical abusive man who has anti-quranic ideas. When he used to abuse, he said it was mentioned in Islam. But I have bulit enough courage to stand up to him and separate myself from him. Reading the Quran in English has helped me a lot and made me much stronger.
          When you have been married to someone like this for many years and you then separate yourself from them, it is very hard to just get married to someone else because the worry is will the other person have the same mentality as him? And also, I don't feel that I am strong enough to go through that again.

          Peace. May god bless us all )

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            Wakas
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            w/salaam,

            Welcome to the forum.

            Re salat
            The important thing is to apply as you learn. For example, if you think salat is X, then do X, but keep increasing your knowledge, then if you find it means Y and you should modify it then do so, and keep repeating this process. Seeking knowledge is a continual process, a journey. As long as one is sincere and they put in reasonable effort, that is the key.

            From http//www.quran434.com/study-method.html

            379, 7518 - apply what you learn/know.

            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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              nasbush
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              w/salaam,

              Welcome to the forum.

              Re salat
              The important thing is to apply as you learn. For example, if you think salat is X, then do X, but keep increasing your knowledge, then if you find it means Y and you should modify it then do so, and keep repeating this process. Seeking knowledge is a continual process, a journey. As long as one is sincere and they put in reasonable effort, that is the key.

              From http//www.quran434.com/study-method.html

              I think this is best approach to follow
              hail

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                sushi1992
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                w/salaam,

                Welcome to the forum.

                Re salat
                The important thing is to apply as you learn. For example, if you think salat is X, then do X, but keep increasing your knowledge, then if you find it means Y and you should modify it then do so, and keep repeating this process. Seeking knowledge is a continual process, a journey. As long as one is sincere and they put in reasonable effort, that is the key.

                From http//www.quran434.com/study-method.html

                Excellent recommendation of reading Wakas as usual .

                Peace peace

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                  youssef4342
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                  peace be with you as well.

                  That's just sad, what you've stated, "woman is to be used as objects for men".
                  Where is the mercy!

                  As for salat, this would be my approach,
                  (Part 1 Positions & How many Rak'a?)
                  http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzoaS43fOew&feature=plcp
                  (Part 2 Prerequisites, Manners, and what to say)
                  http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOzex4NRl_s&feature=plcp
                  (Part 3) How Many Salats Are there? 3 Salat Theory)
                  http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MX7Diab4Tg&feature=plcp

                  Recommended readings
                  Why language is irrelevant!
                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603266.0
                  The Original purpose of our creation
                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603282.0
                  God's System of Righteousness (The Reward system for those who are Nice/Benevolent)
                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602900
                  God's Systems of Guidance and Misguidance
                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603904.0
                  7 "Hells", 2 Heavens, and a "Purgatory"
                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603259
                  ~ God's Unconnditional servants ~
                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603053

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                    Maha
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                    Salaam kamzo

                    Thank you for your reply.

                    In answer to your question, it was hard living with a mental and physical abusive man who has anti-quranic ideas. When he used to abuse, he said it was mentioned in Islam. But I have bulit enough courage to stand up to him and separate myself from him. Reading the Quran in English has helped me a lot and made me much stronger.
                    When you have been married to someone like this for many years and you then separate yourself from them, it is very hard to just get married to someone else because the worry is will the other person have the same mentality as him? And also, I don't feel that I am strong enough to go through that again.

                    Peace. May god bless us all

                    A wise lady once told me Never cry for the person who hurts you. Just smile and say "Thanks for giving me the chance to find someone better than you"

                    I hope that you will get what you are looking for. Welcome to the forum.

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                      Magnus
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                      What concerns me mostly is the salat. What verses of the Quran are stated in the salat that Muslims around the world are performing, facing the qaba? Is there any rules on how you pray to god? I feel emotionally closer to god when I do my dua than when I am doing my namaz.

                      I think that the emotional closeness to God that you feel is guidance from Him. If you pray in a way that brings you closer, you are doing it right IMHO, which probably means that what you call "dua" is closer to what God calls "salaat" than that other thing you mention.
                      (Any adherent to scripture would be wise to apply the approach Wakas mentioned - if we are afraid of realizing our errors and adjusting/repenting, we will never be Muslim)

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                        Maha
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                        I think that the emotional closeness to God that you feel is guidance from Him. If you pray in a way that brings you closer, you are doing it right IMHO, which probably means that what you call "dua" is closer to what God calls "salaat" than that other thing you mention.
                        (Any adherent to scripture would be wise to apply the approach Wakas mentioned - if we are afraid of realizing our errors and adjusting/repenting, we will never be Muslim)

                        good point. there is not point in making a salat which wont bring you cloter to God.

                        Peace

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                          Kamzo19
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                          Thanks to all, I'll meditate on the posts. Peace.

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                            sushi1992
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                            I think that the emotional closeness to God that you feel is guidance from Him. If you pray in a way that brings you closer, you are doing it right IMHO, which probably means that what you call "dua" is closer to what God calls "salaat" than that other thing you mention.
                            (Any adherent to scripture would be wise to apply the approach Wakas mentioned - if we are afraid of realizing our errors and adjusting/repenting, we will never be Muslim)

                            Agree totally. What I think of as "dua" is essentially what I feel the timed connections of salaat should be based on.

                            Peace peace

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                              Seeker_of_the_true_light
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                              Salaam to you all,

                              Thank you for your advice and links. It is greatly appreciated and it has answered the concerns I had about salat.

                              Thank you again handshake

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                                Zulf
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                                Re salat
                                The important thing is to apply as you learn. For example, if you think salat is X, then do X, but keep increasing your knowledge, then if you find it means Y and you should modify it then do so, and keep repeating this process. Seeking knowledge is a continual process, a journey. As long as one is sincere and they put in reasonable effort, that is the key.

                                That is one of the better things I have read in a long time!

                                It is sort of a common sense thing which people miss. This approach is good for avoiding blind faith and sheep mentality. It is also good for growth as you are willing to be at your own frontier of understanding, always ready to adapt to new understanding, ready to grow. Life is after all change. That which ceases being dynamic and stops developing, dies. So this is actually how the Creative Being/Allah makes people grow step by step. It is to go with the flow of life and the inspirations that Allah gives you. It is to forgo resistance and embrace growth.

                                Peace!

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