Why do you reject hadiths
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Salaams,
I consider myself Qur'an-aloner, but I still pray the "oldfashion" way. While I don't consider hadith as a religious authority, I think salat is something that we didn't learn from hadith it's rather tradition which is passed down on us from Muhammad and the Muslims around him. If Bukhari collected hadith two centuries after death of the Prophet, does that mean that Muslims didn't know how to pray in that period?
I learned salat from my mom, my mom learned it form her mom, my grandma learned it from her mom and I'm sure that mother of my grandmother didn't have Sahih Bukhari collection available but still she managed to pray five times a day.
Of course, Qur'an tells us we should stand in prayer, bow and fall prostrate and recite Qur'an and glorify Allah s.w.t., that's exactly what I do praying the "oldfashion" way.Yes, but you are doing it that way because you made a conscientious decision based on teachings from the Qu'ran. I think that is what is important...you are not doing it ritualistically or out of ignorance.
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Thanks for the link, looks interesting.
I just find it disturbing, one would come here and feel offended because others do not believe in stories and fables, then get defensive and annoyed. Then still calling themselves a Muslim, goes and questions the Holy Quran, the words of God.Which he knows to be true. Are you not scared Allah will question you on this? & But you have no fear in following what those who are far less than Allah tell you.
How can you compare the Qu'ran (protected and persisting unaltered truth throughout time) with hadith (unprotected, man-made fabrications alluded to being the words, actions and sometimes appalling behavior of a man of God)?
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Salaam Shirin
I think salat is something that we didn't learn from hadith it's rather tradition which is passed down on us from Muhammad and the Muslims around him. If Bukhari collected hadith two centuries after death of the Prophet, does that mean that Muslims didn't know how to pray in that period?
I learned salat from my mom, my mom learned it form her mom, my grandma learned it from her mom and I'm sure that mother of my grandmother didn't have Sahih Bukhari collection available but still she managed to pray five times a day.
I also thought that during a long period.
I hope that following traditionnal practices you don't know from were they came will not divert you from studying Quran.Peace
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Yes, but you are doing it that way because you made a conscientious decision based on teachings from the Qu'ran. I think that is what is important...you are not doing it ritualistically or out of ignorance.
Yes, of course.
Salaam ShirinI also thought that during a long period.
I hope that following traditionnal practices you don't know from were they came will not divert you from studying Quran.Peace
Wa Salaam,
Why would it divert me? I still recite Qur'an, bow to our Creator, and fall on sajjda and pray for guidance.
To all others, I don't think rameez is questioning Qur'an, it's more like he is asking hypothetical questions. So people, don't be too harsh.
God bless you all.
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Salaam
Why would it divert me? I still recite Qur'an, bow to our Creator, and fall on sajjda and pray for guidance. )
Because reciting while bowing and prostrating in not studying and thinking.
do you know that in this forum, there is strange people who believe that Salat is not prayer, that Soujoud is not prostating , that roukou is not bowing and that salat in only 3 times in the day ?
Peace
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Salaam
Because reciting while bowing and prostrating in not studying and thinking.do you know that in this forum, there is strange people who believe that Salat is not prayer, that Soujoud is not prostating , that roukou is not bowing and that salat in only 3 times in the day ?
Peace
That's correct. ) I'll try my best to stay on that track as well, inshaAllah.
I noticed those people too, I hear what they say but it doesn't affect me much.
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Salaam
Because reciting while bowing and prostrating in not studying and thinking.do you know that in this forum, there is strange people who believe that Salat is not prayer, that Soujoud is not prostating , that roukou is not bowing and that salat in only 3 times in the day ?
Peace
Uhhh...hello...some of us "strange" people just read that...thanks.
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Salaam ShirinI also thought that during a long period.
I hope that following traditionnal practices you don't know from were they came will not divert you from studying Quran.Peace
Quran 1736 and do not follow that which you have no knowledge of.
So I don't follow any traditional ritual or practice which I can't find any quranic support of.
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That's correct. I'll try my best to stay on that track as well, inshaAllah.
I noticed those people too, I hear what they say but it doesn't affect me much.
1736 and follow Not which you have not knowledge of
So If they aren't sure that prayer is a ritual like you believe, than they are quranically entitled to not follow it as they have no knowledge about it. I hope you understand my point.
Peace
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1736 and follow Not which you have not knowledge of
So If they aren't sure that prayer is a ritual like you believe, than they are quranically entitled to not follow it as they have no knowledge about it. I hope you understand my point.
Peace
When I read in Qur'an (what I mentioned before) that it is prescribed to stand, bow and fall prostrate and recite Qur'an and glorify God, then I saw that there is nothing wrong with praying in traditional way. Hope you understand what I'm saying, as well.
Peace
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Salaam shirin
That's correct. I'll try my best to stay on that track as well, inshaAllah.
I noticed those people too, I hear what they say but it doesn't affect me much.
Oups! i forgot to tell you that i am one of those strange people
i no more make the double false testimony of shahada
i don't believe that salat is prayer but a simple connexion to God by meditating and thinking about his words and creations
i don't believe that ootoo zakat is giving sadaqa but getting mind purification by study of words of god
i don't believe also that hajj is pilgrimage but debate with candidates to islam during feast
i dont believe that siyamm is fasting but spiritual retreati believe in quran, in God and all his messengers.
I put all my faith in GOD and his words and in anything elsewhat a strange religion i am following.
It is based only on quran
i wonder what is its name ?
Can you help me shirin ?Peace
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When I read in Qur'an (what I mentioned before) that it is prescribed to stand, bow and fall prostrate and recite Qur'an and glorify God, then I saw that there is nothing wrong with praying in traditional way. Hope you understand what I'm saying, as well.
Peace
Yes but Jewish prayers also include that. So you don't have to pray in ""traditional way"" . And beside, some have different understanding of prayers, which they are entitled to quranically. I haven't studied the issue of prayer yet, so I cannot talk on behalf of myself yet. I will god willingly study it soon and make up my mind.
Peace
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Salaam shirin
Oups! i forgot to tell you that i am one of those strange peoplei no more make the double false testimony of shahada
i don't believe that salat is prayer but a simple connexion to God by meditating and thinking about his words and creations
i don't believe that ootoo zakat is giving sadaqa but getting mind purification by study of words of god
i don't believe also that hajj is pilgrimage but debate with candidates to islam during feast
i dont believe that siyamm is fasting but spiritual retreati believe in quran, in God and all his messengers.
I put all my faith in GOD and his words and in anything elsewhat a strange religion i am following.
It is based only on quran
i wonder what is its name ?
Can you help me shirin ?Peace
Hehe, good for you. You believe in your own interpretation of Qur'an, I have my own. Your interpretation allows you to play with people, mine doesn't.
Peace
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Yes but Jewish prayers also include that. So you don't have to pray in ""traditional way"" . And beside, some have different understanding of prayers, which they are entitled to quranically. I haven't studied the issue of prayer yet, so I cannot talk on behalf of myself yet. I will god willingly study it soon and make up my mind.
Peace
Yeah, but I don't recite Torah or Talmud or , I recite Qur'an. I think that is a big difference.
Peace
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Salaam shirin
Oups! i forgot to tell you that i am one of those strange peoplei no more make the double false testimony of shahada
i don't believe that salat is prayer but a simple connexion to God by meditating and thinking about his words and creations
i don't believe that ootoo zakat is giving sadaqa but getting mind purification by study of words of god
i don't believe also that hajj is pilgrimage but debate with candidates to islam during feast
i dont believe that siyamm is fasting but spiritual retreati believe in quran, in God and all his messengers.
I put all my faith in GOD and his words and in anything elsewhat a strange religion i am following.
It is based only on quran
i wonder what is its name ?
Can you help me shirin ?Peace
Sister I would advice yo? to grow up instead of ridiculously make fun of people with different understanding of the Quran. Just because you disagree with them doesn't give you the right to offend them because as god says in the holy Quran 4911
"and let not one group of believers laugh at the other - they may be better then them"
I hope you understand my point sister .
Peace
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Yeah, but I don't recite Torah or Talmud or , I recite Qur'an. I think that is a big difference.
Peace
But you see its the same with Sunnis. They include non-quranic recitation while praying as well, some of it I personally consider blasphemous for instance mentioning Mohammed in every second sentence. Prayers are for god exclusively IMO.
Peace
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Sister I would advice yo? to grow up instead of ridiculously make fun of people with different understanding of the Quran. Just because you disagree with them doesn't give you the right to offend them because as god says in the holy Quran 4911
"and let not one group of believers laugh at the other - they may be better then them"
I hope you understand my point sister .
Peace
That's really sweet of you, but let it go. I don't mind. I got used to "holier than thou" attitude from some Muslims. -*
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That's really sweet of you, but let it go. I don't mind. I got used to "holier than thou" attitude from some Muslims. -*
Thats very sad. I also used to have that attitude when I was Sunni but Quran changed me by the grace of God. I personally don't believe the hajj is in mekka, now am I also among those she laugh at?
Seriously guys, let's just respect each others different opinions.
Peace
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But you see its the same with Sunnis. They include non-quranic recitation while praying as well, some of it I personally consider blasphemous for instance mentioning Mohammed in every second sentence. Prayers are for god exclusively IMO.
Peace
If you are referring to shahada plus "Muhammad is the messenger of God", I personally don't see anything wrong with that, since it is also part of the Qur'an.
If you are referring to Salawats (sp?), I also don't think it is wrong for us to pray to God to exalt the Prophet Muhammad and Abraham, though I also add "and other prophets too".
Other non-Qur'anic recitation is what I think falls under glorifying God.
Peace