Why do you reject hadiths
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OK lets imagine that books of hadith are Correct, now wich Sunnah shouuld i follow? wich narrators are truth?have you met Muhamed, the big problem in Sunnism is that they pick first 10 surahs and make a semi religion of rituals and not a divine code of conduct..
Salaam NoMad,
You remind me of an incident took place few years back. I went with my friend to a veeeerrryyy BIG scholar living about a kilometer from my house. When I saw his name on his flat entrance door, it took me so long to read his name and his degrees. It was covering from one end of the door to the other end of door. Like XYZ, mufti, a'lim, faazil, kamil, mukammal, a to z.
I was not knowing him, my friend took me to him asking lets talk to him about AlQuraan alone. We went to him, he took us downstairs, there was a room in parking area, full of books up to the ceiling covering all walls. In middle of all book shelves there was a table and three chairs, we sat and started to talk.
Scholar yes tell me what do you want.
mmKhan This is the first time I came to know about you so I decided to meet you and asking some questions.
Scholar Yes, yes, feel free to ask anything, all ahl-e-hadith ulema, sunni ulema, mehdavi ulema and shia ulema use to come to me to clear their doubts, so you can ask anything that you would like, you will get a satisfying answer.
mmKhan I am really confuse which hadith to follow, Mehdavi's got their own, Sunni's got their own, Shia's got their own and Ahl-e-hadith got their own hadith and all are different than each other, so what should I do?
Scholar Ha ha ha ... nice question. Hadith is for increasing your marks, you will get passing marks on the Day of Judgement if you study AlQuraan, but if you study hadith also along with it, your marks may increase and you can get up to 100/100 marks.
mmKhan Well, if so, then is it not enough to study AlQuraan and get passing marks, instead of getting into confusions more and more.
Scholar Yes, you can do that, but remember you will just get passing marks.
mmKhan I was thinking why don't we try study AlQuraan and try to find out all answers for our questions and how to perform rituals as Allah said AlKitaab is tibya-nalli-kulli-shai-in . What do you say, shall we try it together?
Scholar Ohhh! So, you came here to teach me, not to ask me anything. I understood you now.
mmKhan But at least we can take a try, isn't it?
Scholar Com'on get up and get out of my room, out! .
mmKhan We should not close doors of Hidayat on us. We should be always open for corrections.
Scholar I said, get lost .
This story may help people in some ways. That scholar was so proud of himself and of his knowledge that he don't even like to listen to others. nope
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
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Rameez is in a way TRUE
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Say, "Obey Allah and the Messenger." But if they turn away - then indeed, Allah does not like the disbelievers.616
And when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah"4363
And when Jesus brought clear proofs, he said, "I have come to you with wisdom and to make clear to you some of that over which you differ, so fear Allah and obey me.2285
The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, , "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the destination."JESUS BRINGS WISDOM/ HADITH , OBEY HIM!!!
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Salaam
I am still waiting for a proof that Quran was revealed to Messenger by Jibrael and it was given to Jibrael by Allah.
i could respond see quran and if you believe in it you believe in that.
I told you that there is no proof and the question is question of belief.You are believeing in words that don't come from allah.
You are whorshipping Bukhari and Muslim and believing in their books and putting your faith in their beards.However, no matter. I knew since the beginning that you will not respond.
Peace
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Can I ask why you call yourself noshirk?
Salaam Bigmo
12106 And most of them will not believe in God except beeing Mushrikoouns.
3042 Say "Roam the earth and see how the end was for those before. Most of them were mushrikouns."so the main danger when we become believer is to be moshrik.
noshrik means i am determined to fight the trap of shirk wich is, for me, believing in things that don't came from allah.
shirk is liying about allah and as allah said, most believers are moshrikouns, even nowadays.Peace
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Salaami could respond see quran and if you believe in it you believe in that.
I told you that there is no proof and the question is question of belief.You are believeing in words that don't come from allah.
You are whorshipping Bukhari and Muslim and believing in their books and putting your faith in their beards.However, no matter. I knew since the beginning that you will not respond.
Peace
His argument is flawed. It is him who claims that he can proof mohammed really said whats written in hadith. We never said that we have proof that Quran came from jibreel. Either you believe in quran or you dont.
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Salaam Bigmo
12106 And most of them will not believe in God except beeing Mushrikoouns.
3042 Say "Roam the earth and see how the end was for those before. Most of them were mushrikouns."so the main danger when we become believer is to be moshrik.
noshrik means i am determined to fight the trap of shirk wich is, for me, believing in things that don't came from allah.
shirk is liying about allah and as allah said, most believers are moshrikouns, even nowadays.Peace
How do you define shirk? Give me an example of a shirk. What kind of lying about Allah are you refering to?
You also said most believers are mushirks, how can they be believers and mushriks at the same time? Which believers are you talking about?
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You are whorshipping Bukhari and Muslim and believing in their books and putting your faith in their beards.
You are accusing believers in God of worshiping Bukhari and the crew, and you know that is not correct. Eating dates, because they read in hadith collections that the Prophet ate them is not worshiping but it is irrelevant so someone's iman. If someone heard that the Prophet had a beard and wants to have one too, it's not worshiping but it is also irrelevant to his iman. You explained to Bigmo why your nickname is Noshirk, and yet you are allowing your self luxury to judge among the people by calling them kufr and you have no right to do so. It's what Allah s.w.t. knows and we do not.
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You are accusing believers in God of worshiping Bukhari and the crew, and you know that is not correct. Eating dates, because they read in hadith collections that the Prophet ate them is not worshiping but it is irrelevant so someone's iman. If someone heard that the Prophet had a beard and wants to have one too, it's not worshiping but it is also irrelevant to his iman. You explained to Bigmo why your nickname is Noshirk, and yet you are allowing your self luxury to judge among the people by calling them kufr and you have no right to do so. It's what Allah s.w.t. knows and we do not.
you worship bukhari if you blindely believe him.
Allah's Messenger (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said Every eye is
lustful and when a woman applies perfume and then goes about in an assembly, she is like such and such, i.e. an adulteress. (Mishkat Hadith1065)The prayer of a woman who uses perfume is not accepted until she returns and takes a bath like that of sexual defilement. (Abu Dawud4162)
if you blindely believe the above quoted hadith, you are indeed worship hadith instead of listening to your god given common sense.
Peace
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you worship bukhari if you blindely believe him.
Allah's Messenger (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said Every eye is
lustful and when a woman applies perfume and then goes about in an assembly, she is like such and such, i.e. an adulteress. (Mishkat Hadith1065)The prayer of a woman who uses perfume is not accepted until she returns and takes a bath like that of sexual defilement. (Abu Dawud4162)
if you blindely believe the above quoted hadith, you are indeed worship hadith instead of listening to your god given common sense.
Peace
I mentioned this hadith earlier. I said I will never believe that the Prophet said such thing, because it goes against common sense, let alone Qur'an.
Many Muslim (sunni) woman wear and are lovers of perfume, which means they consider this saying a joke. Everyone who believe this joke, have problem of some other nature, and I wouldn't call it kufr.I'm sure you're aware of the fact that many Muslims who declare themselves as Sunnis (which some of you call kafirs), didn't read a single chapter of any hadith collection, but they are frequent in reading Qur'an and give their praises to The Almighty. How can you accuse such people of shirk?
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sallam maha.
His argument is flawed. It is him who claims that he can proof mohammed really said whats written in hadith. We never said that we have proof that Quran came from jibreel. Either you believe in quran or you dont.
i repeat i have no proof that quran was revealed from jibril.
I would then deduce, from rameez challenge, that he has was ready to admit that there is no proof that origin of all the hearsays of Hadiths was Muhammad.so the question of hadith is a question of believe.
Following Hadiths is believing in books that are not from Allah. That's Shirk.
Following Hadiths is believing in another revelation and putting his faith in humans (Bukhari and others) to witch God gave no power.i would like to mention another point.
Bismillah at the beginning of each sourate (in name of god...) emphesize the caracter of rissala (message) of Quran.
Messenger has only deliver message.
When you read a hadith, it is clearly mentionned names of people who were given no power by GOD.Nabi is word derived from nabaa (information)
Nabi is informed but speaks with his owns words.All verses speaking about obeying refers to Rassool Statute. No one speaks about Nabi statute. is it a coincidence ?
Nowhere in quran, there is mention of other books Muhammad has to deliver to muslims.
How could be that books so importants are not mentionned by God if they are necessary to become Full Muslim ?
Why "good muslims" waited so long for compiling these importants books ?
Why there is not only one book of Hadiths ?Peace
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so the question of hadith is a question of believe.
Following Hadiths is believing in books that are not from Allah. That's Shirk.
Following Hadiths is believing in another revelation and putting his faith in humans (Bukhari and others) to witch God gave no power.Following and believing are two different things.
Walt Whitman said "Re examine all you have been told, dismiss what insults your soul".
If I follow the advice given above that doesn't mean I believe in Walt Whitman and that I'm putting Leaves of Grass above Qur'an.
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salaam
How do you define shirk?
1746 And we place shields over their hearts, that they should not understand it, and a deafness in their ears. And if you mention your Lord in the Qur'an alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion.
393 Absolutely, to God is the true system. And those who set up allies besides Him ?We only serve them so that they may bring us closer to God.? God will judge between them in what they dispute. For God does not guide him who is a liar, a rejecter.
3945 And when God alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned besides Him, they rejoice!
4012 This is because when God alone was mentioned, you rejected, but when partners (toshrikou) were set up with Him, you believed. Therefore, the judgment is for God, the Most High, the Great.380 Nor does He order you that you take the angels and the prophets as patrons. Would He order you to rejection after you have submitted?
112 "That you shall serve none other than God. I am to you from Him a warner and a bearer of good news."2165 And from among the people are some who take other than God as equals to Him, they love them as they love God; but those who believe love God more strongly; and when those who were wicked see the retribution, they will see that all power belongs to G
3125 And if you ask them ?Who has created the heavens and the earth?? They will say ?God.? Say ?Praise be to God.? Yet, most of them do not know.Peace
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salaam
How do you define shirk?
1746 And we place shields over their hearts, that they should not understand it, and a deafness in their ears. And if you mention your Lord in the Qur'an alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion.
393 Absolutely, to God is the true system. And those who set up allies besides Him ?We only serve them so that they may bring us closer to God.? God will judge between them in what they dispute. For God does not guide him who is a liar, a rejecter.
3945 And when God alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned besides Him, they rejoice!
4012 This is because when God alone was mentioned, you rejected, but when partners (toshrikou) were set up with Him, you believed. Therefore, the judgment is for God, the Most High, the Great.380 Nor does He order you that you take the angels and the prophets as patrons. Would He order you to rejection after you have submitted?
112 "That you shall serve none other than God. I am to you from Him a warner and a bearer of good news."2165 And from among the people are some who take other than God as equals to Him, they love them as they love God; but those who believe love God more strongly; and when those who were wicked see the retribution, they will see that all power belongs to G
3125 And if you ask them ?Who has created the heavens and the earth?? They will say ?God.? Say ?Praise be to God.? Yet, most of them do not know.Peace
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Following and believing are two different things.
OK, i change the sentences.
believing in Hadiths is believing in books that are not from Allah. That's Shirk.
believing in Hadiths is believing in another revelation and putting his faith in humans (Bukhari and others) to witch God gave no power.Peace
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salaam
1746 And we place shields over their hearts, that they should not understand it, and a deafness in their ears. And if you mention your Lord in the Qur'an alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion.
393 Absolutely, to God is the true system. And those who set up allies besides Him ?We only serve them so that they may bring us closer to God.? God will judge between them in what they dispute. For God does not guide him who is a liar, a rejecter.
3945 And when God alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned besides Him, they rejoice!
4012 This is because when God alone was mentioned, you rejected, but when partners (toshrikou) were set up with Him, you believed. Therefore, the judgment is for God, the Most High, the Great.380 Nor does He order you that you take the angels and the prophets as patrons. Would He order you to rejection after you have submitted?
112 "That you shall serve none other than God. I am to you from Him a warner and a bearer of good news."2165 And from among the people are some who take other than God as equals to Him, they love them as they love God; but those who believe love God more strongly; and when those who were wicked see the retribution, they will see that all power belongs to G
3125 And if you ask them ?Who has created the heavens and the earth?? They will say ?God.? Say ?Praise be to God.? Yet, most of them do not know.Peace
Your vague in your answer. I have a feeling that you don't actually know what shirk is. But I could be wrong.
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OK, i change the sentences.
believing in Hadiths is believing in books that are not from Allah. That's Shirk.
believing in Hadiths is believing in another revelation and putting his faith in humans (Bukhari and others) to witch God gave no power.Peace
What if I believe that a certain biology book is true, its contents I mean, have I committed shirk then?
Peace back.
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What if I believe that a certain biology book is true, its contents I mean, have I committed shirk then?
Peace back.
No since biology books just tells you facts. but if you blindely believe that biology book, when it teaches wrong things, then you would most properly have commited shirk.