Why do you reject hadiths
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Rameez is in a way TRUE
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Say, "Obey Allah and the Messenger." But if they turn away - then indeed, Allah does not like the disbelievers.616
And when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah"4363
And when Jesus brought clear proofs, he said, "I have come to you with wisdom and to make clear to you some of that over which you differ, so fear Allah and obey me.2285
The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, , "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the destination."JESUS BRINGS WISDOM/ HADITH , OBEY HIM!!!
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Salaam
I am still waiting for a proof that Quran was revealed to Messenger by Jibrael and it was given to Jibrael by Allah.
i could respond see quran and if you believe in it you believe in that.
I told you that there is no proof and the question is question of belief.You are believeing in words that don't come from allah.
You are whorshipping Bukhari and Muslim and believing in their books and putting your faith in their beards.However, no matter. I knew since the beginning that you will not respond.
Peace
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Can I ask why you call yourself noshirk?
Salaam Bigmo
12106 And most of them will not believe in God except beeing Mushrikoouns.
3042 Say "Roam the earth and see how the end was for those before. Most of them were mushrikouns."so the main danger when we become believer is to be moshrik.
noshrik means i am determined to fight the trap of shirk wich is, for me, believing in things that don't came from allah.
shirk is liying about allah and as allah said, most believers are moshrikouns, even nowadays.Peace
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Salaami could respond see quran and if you believe in it you believe in that.
I told you that there is no proof and the question is question of belief.You are believeing in words that don't come from allah.
You are whorshipping Bukhari and Muslim and believing in their books and putting your faith in their beards.However, no matter. I knew since the beginning that you will not respond.
Peace
His argument is flawed. It is him who claims that he can proof mohammed really said whats written in hadith. We never said that we have proof that Quran came from jibreel. Either you believe in quran or you dont.
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Salaam Bigmo
12106 And most of them will not believe in God except beeing Mushrikoouns.
3042 Say "Roam the earth and see how the end was for those before. Most of them were mushrikouns."so the main danger when we become believer is to be moshrik.
noshrik means i am determined to fight the trap of shirk wich is, for me, believing in things that don't came from allah.
shirk is liying about allah and as allah said, most believers are moshrikouns, even nowadays.Peace
How do you define shirk? Give me an example of a shirk. What kind of lying about Allah are you refering to?
You also said most believers are mushirks, how can they be believers and mushriks at the same time? Which believers are you talking about?
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You are whorshipping Bukhari and Muslim and believing in their books and putting your faith in their beards.
You are accusing believers in God of worshiping Bukhari and the crew, and you know that is not correct. Eating dates, because they read in hadith collections that the Prophet ate them is not worshiping but it is irrelevant so someone's iman. If someone heard that the Prophet had a beard and wants to have one too, it's not worshiping but it is also irrelevant to his iman. You explained to Bigmo why your nickname is Noshirk, and yet you are allowing your self luxury to judge among the people by calling them kufr and you have no right to do so. It's what Allah s.w.t. knows and we do not.
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You are accusing believers in God of worshiping Bukhari and the crew, and you know that is not correct. Eating dates, because they read in hadith collections that the Prophet ate them is not worshiping but it is irrelevant so someone's iman. If someone heard that the Prophet had a beard and wants to have one too, it's not worshiping but it is also irrelevant to his iman. You explained to Bigmo why your nickname is Noshirk, and yet you are allowing your self luxury to judge among the people by calling them kufr and you have no right to do so. It's what Allah s.w.t. knows and we do not.
you worship bukhari if you blindely believe him.
Allah's Messenger (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said Every eye is
lustful and when a woman applies perfume and then goes about in an assembly, she is like such and such, i.e. an adulteress. (Mishkat Hadith1065)The prayer of a woman who uses perfume is not accepted until she returns and takes a bath like that of sexual defilement. (Abu Dawud4162)
if you blindely believe the above quoted hadith, you are indeed worship hadith instead of listening to your god given common sense.
Peace
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you worship bukhari if you blindely believe him.
Allah's Messenger (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said Every eye is
lustful and when a woman applies perfume and then goes about in an assembly, she is like such and such, i.e. an adulteress. (Mishkat Hadith1065)The prayer of a woman who uses perfume is not accepted until she returns and takes a bath like that of sexual defilement. (Abu Dawud4162)
if you blindely believe the above quoted hadith, you are indeed worship hadith instead of listening to your god given common sense.
Peace
I mentioned this hadith earlier. I said I will never believe that the Prophet said such thing, because it goes against common sense, let alone Qur'an.
Many Muslim (sunni) woman wear and are lovers of perfume, which means they consider this saying a joke. Everyone who believe this joke, have problem of some other nature, and I wouldn't call it kufr.I'm sure you're aware of the fact that many Muslims who declare themselves as Sunnis (which some of you call kafirs), didn't read a single chapter of any hadith collection, but they are frequent in reading Qur'an and give their praises to The Almighty. How can you accuse such people of shirk?
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sallam maha.
His argument is flawed. It is him who claims that he can proof mohammed really said whats written in hadith. We never said that we have proof that Quran came from jibreel. Either you believe in quran or you dont.
i repeat i have no proof that quran was revealed from jibril.
I would then deduce, from rameez challenge, that he has was ready to admit that there is no proof that origin of all the hearsays of Hadiths was Muhammad.so the question of hadith is a question of believe.
Following Hadiths is believing in books that are not from Allah. That's Shirk.
Following Hadiths is believing in another revelation and putting his faith in humans (Bukhari and others) to witch God gave no power.i would like to mention another point.
Bismillah at the beginning of each sourate (in name of god...) emphesize the caracter of rissala (message) of Quran.
Messenger has only deliver message.
When you read a hadith, it is clearly mentionned names of people who were given no power by GOD.Nabi is word derived from nabaa (information)
Nabi is informed but speaks with his owns words.All verses speaking about obeying refers to Rassool Statute. No one speaks about Nabi statute. is it a coincidence ?
Nowhere in quran, there is mention of other books Muhammad has to deliver to muslims.
How could be that books so importants are not mentionned by God if they are necessary to become Full Muslim ?
Why "good muslims" waited so long for compiling these importants books ?
Why there is not only one book of Hadiths ?Peace
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so the question of hadith is a question of believe.
Following Hadiths is believing in books that are not from Allah. That's Shirk.
Following Hadiths is believing in another revelation and putting his faith in humans (Bukhari and others) to witch God gave no power.Following and believing are two different things.
Walt Whitman said "Re examine all you have been told, dismiss what insults your soul".
If I follow the advice given above that doesn't mean I believe in Walt Whitman and that I'm putting Leaves of Grass above Qur'an.
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salaam
How do you define shirk?
1746 And we place shields over their hearts, that they should not understand it, and a deafness in their ears. And if you mention your Lord in the Qur'an alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion.
393 Absolutely, to God is the true system. And those who set up allies besides Him ?We only serve them so that they may bring us closer to God.? God will judge between them in what they dispute. For God does not guide him who is a liar, a rejecter.
3945 And when God alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned besides Him, they rejoice!
4012 This is because when God alone was mentioned, you rejected, but when partners (toshrikou) were set up with Him, you believed. Therefore, the judgment is for God, the Most High, the Great.380 Nor does He order you that you take the angels and the prophets as patrons. Would He order you to rejection after you have submitted?
112 "That you shall serve none other than God. I am to you from Him a warner and a bearer of good news."2165 And from among the people are some who take other than God as equals to Him, they love them as they love God; but those who believe love God more strongly; and when those who were wicked see the retribution, they will see that all power belongs to G
3125 And if you ask them ?Who has created the heavens and the earth?? They will say ?God.? Say ?Praise be to God.? Yet, most of them do not know.Peace
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salaam
How do you define shirk?
1746 And we place shields over their hearts, that they should not understand it, and a deafness in their ears. And if you mention your Lord in the Qur'an alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion.
393 Absolutely, to God is the true system. And those who set up allies besides Him ?We only serve them so that they may bring us closer to God.? God will judge between them in what they dispute. For God does not guide him who is a liar, a rejecter.
3945 And when God alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned besides Him, they rejoice!
4012 This is because when God alone was mentioned, you rejected, but when partners (toshrikou) were set up with Him, you believed. Therefore, the judgment is for God, the Most High, the Great.380 Nor does He order you that you take the angels and the prophets as patrons. Would He order you to rejection after you have submitted?
112 "That you shall serve none other than God. I am to you from Him a warner and a bearer of good news."2165 And from among the people are some who take other than God as equals to Him, they love them as they love God; but those who believe love God more strongly; and when those who were wicked see the retribution, they will see that all power belongs to G
3125 And if you ask them ?Who has created the heavens and the earth?? They will say ?God.? Say ?Praise be to God.? Yet, most of them do not know.Peace
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Following and believing are two different things.
OK, i change the sentences.
believing in Hadiths is believing in books that are not from Allah. That's Shirk.
believing in Hadiths is believing in another revelation and putting his faith in humans (Bukhari and others) to witch God gave no power.Peace
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salaam
1746 And we place shields over their hearts, that they should not understand it, and a deafness in their ears. And if you mention your Lord in the Qur'an alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion.
393 Absolutely, to God is the true system. And those who set up allies besides Him ?We only serve them so that they may bring us closer to God.? God will judge between them in what they dispute. For God does not guide him who is a liar, a rejecter.
3945 And when God alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned besides Him, they rejoice!
4012 This is because when God alone was mentioned, you rejected, but when partners (toshrikou) were set up with Him, you believed. Therefore, the judgment is for God, the Most High, the Great.380 Nor does He order you that you take the angels and the prophets as patrons. Would He order you to rejection after you have submitted?
112 "That you shall serve none other than God. I am to you from Him a warner and a bearer of good news."2165 And from among the people are some who take other than God as equals to Him, they love them as they love God; but those who believe love God more strongly; and when those who were wicked see the retribution, they will see that all power belongs to G
3125 And if you ask them ?Who has created the heavens and the earth?? They will say ?God.? Say ?Praise be to God.? Yet, most of them do not know.Peace
Your vague in your answer. I have a feeling that you don't actually know what shirk is. But I could be wrong.
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OK, i change the sentences.
believing in Hadiths is believing in books that are not from Allah. That's Shirk.
believing in Hadiths is believing in another revelation and putting his faith in humans (Bukhari and others) to witch God gave no power.Peace
What if I believe that a certain biology book is true, its contents I mean, have I committed shirk then?
Peace back.
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What if I believe that a certain biology book is true, its contents I mean, have I committed shirk then?
Peace back.
No since biology books just tells you facts. but if you blindely believe that biology book, when it teaches wrong things, then you would most properly have commited shirk.
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But what if I believe in biology book that tells me facts?
if they are from a trusted source then you are just following facts.. then that can obviously not be shirk but truth and following the truth is following God.
quran says I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.