Why do you reject hadiths
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OK, i change the sentences.
believing in Hadiths is believing in books that are not from Allah. That's Shirk.
believing in Hadiths is believing in another revelation and putting his faith in humans (Bukhari and others) to witch God gave no power.Peace
What if I believe that a certain biology book is true, its contents I mean, have I committed shirk then?
Peace back.
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What if I believe that a certain biology book is true, its contents I mean, have I committed shirk then?
Peace back.
No since biology books just tells you facts. but if you blindely believe that biology book, when it teaches wrong things, then you would most properly have commited shirk.
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But what if I believe in biology book that tells me facts?
if they are from a trusted source then you are just following facts.. then that can obviously not be shirk but truth and following the truth is following God.
quran says I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.
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salaam
What if I believe that a certain biology book is true, its contents I mean, have I committed shirk then?
are you saying that the biology book comes from GOD ? that it is religion ? that writers are inspired by God ? are you reproducing hearsays about god with no proofs?
When you reads biology book, however, you are asked to use your mind and not to believe blindly in it. You can even believe in parts and reject parts. For example, you can reject parts that says that biological phenomenons are totally driven by evolution.
I consider natural phenomenons as ayats of God and that we have to think about them in the same manner as we think about quranic verses.
Quran ask you to use your mind when you are reading quranic ayats and naturals ayats. You are free to reject official interpretation. All scientific theories are consequence of a rejection of an old interpretation but not of rejection of Facts.
All prophets have rejected and fighted official theological interpretation of religious leaders.Since you are not inventing other divinities (nature divinity, universe divinity, evolution divinity), or following blindly Darwin and scientists only because they have white blouses, and since you are using you mind, it is not shirk. You can even be wrong.
Lets resume
Facts are for science what verses are for quran.
Theories are for science what doctrines is for quran. In one specified field, theories can be numerous but only one is true.You are free to reject theories but not facts.
Free mind is a right an a duty when you face science and quran.
Shirk begins when you put your faith in other than God and when you believe in what humans with no power from GOD says with no proofs.Quran warn from following ancients, majority, dignitaries, leaders...
Quran is for free mind people who use their own minds and not for those who follow the mind of other people and took them as Masters besides GOD.Peace
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salaam
are you saying that the biology book comes from GOD ? that it is religion ? that writers are inspired by God ? are you reproducing hearsays about god with no proofs?When you reads biology book, however, you are asked to use your mind and not to believe blindly in it. You can even believe in parts and reject parts. For example, you can reject parts that says that biological phenomenons are totally driven by evolution.
I consider natural phenomenons as ayats of God and that we have to think about them in the same manner as we think about quranic verses.
Quran ask you to use your mind when you are reading quranic ayats and naturals ayats. You are free to reject official interpretation. All scientific theories are consequence of a rejection of an old interpretation but not of rejection of Facts.
All prophets have rejected and fighted official theological interpretation of religious leaders.Since you are not inventing other divinities (nature divinity, universe divinity, evolution divinity), or following blindly Darwin and scientists only because they have white blouses, and since you are using you mind, it is not shirk. You can even be wrong.
Lets resume
Facts are for science what verses are for quran.
Theories are for science what doctrines is for quran. In one specified field, theories can be numerous but only one is true.You are free to reject theories but not facts.
Free mind is a right an a duty when you face science and quran.
Shirk begins when you put your faith in other than God and when you believe in what humans with no power from GOD says with no proofs.Quran warn from following ancients, majority, dignitaries, leaders...
Quran is for free mind people who use their own minds and not for those who follow the mind of other people and took them as Masters besides GOD.Peace
"Shirk begins when you put your faith in other than God "
Shirk is when you believe in other gods. Many people can put their faith in many things and putting your faith in God is not as easy as you think anyways. But shirk is the belief in other gods.
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No since biology books just tells you facts. but if you blindely believe that biology book, when it teaches wrong things, then you would most properly have commited shirk.
You don't commit shirk. Shirsk is a theology not an act. You either believe in shirk or you don't. Following something wrong blindly can be called stupidy or denial. But when we are talking about shirk we are talking about a belief system.
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For those who say "Obey Allah and Obey the Messenger" means to Follow the message so you are obeying Messenger and in turn Obeying Allah
461 And when it is said to them, "Come to what Allah has revealed and to the Messenger," you see the hypocrites turning away from you in aversion.
Now explain why "Messenger" is separated from "what Allah has revealed".
All those who say that Satan has misguided more than 90% of Muslims and they are following conjecture, please prove that Satan HAS NOT distorted the original Quran and you are following the same verses that were revealed to the Messenger in its correct form.
And I can see how all the questions I asked with the Quranic verse are still unanswered .
Someone said that they got "I am holiest than thou attitude" . I am not at all trying to give this attitude if someone gets this impression that I am implying that I AM more holy than you guys, its wrong , I am here just to learn and to understand your arguments and arguments can only be understood if we keep "arguing". After few days I will give you guys a surprise
I have some more food of thought for you.
It says in the Quran to shorten the prayer when you travel. How long do you have to travel in order to be eligible to have this privilege? How short do you have to cut the prayer?
Rameez,
First off, salaam. Secondly, did you ever stop to think that maybe the reason these things aren't in the Qu'ran is because they aren't important? I often ask myself "What if the hadith never existed? Would we ask things like how short should the prayer be...how far should we travel to consider shortening the prayer, etc?" In my opinion, it's all of these technicalities that cause people to be distanced from God.
The first time someone asked me online "How do you shorten the prayer if the Qu'ran doesn't say how many rakas to do?" To me it was simple...like brushing teeth. Most days, I brush my teeth for 2 minutes or so, making sure I do 20 strokes on each surface. Some mornings I am in a hurry, so I do a quicker brushing, maybe 10 strokes or so. I didn't need a manual or to call up my dentist to ask that...it just made sense.
It's the same with traveling I don't consider a trip to the local grocery store "traveling." I consider traveling to be a trip in which I will not be returning home for a while, as in a few days or so. However, if I am at a safe place when I reach my destination (hotel, friends home, etc) then I am in a place where I can pray freely and safely, so I make the full prayer. If I can find a safe place to pray while I am traveling (i.e. a local mosque), then I can make the full prayer then also.
Don't need a hadith or scholar to tell me that one.
One more thing Please consider the time the Qu'ran was revealed...people didn't have cars, planes, etc. to get them places, and it took them days to get anywhere. They probably didn't have hotels to stay the night in...they slept in a camp our out in the wilderness where danger abounded. We don't have that issue now...we are places in a matter of hours anymore, and we can stop in safe places to rest, so it easier for us.
Peace,
Amina
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Rameez,
First off, salaam. Secondly, did you ever stop to think that maybe the reason these things aren't in the Qu'ran is because they aren't important? I often ask myself "What if the hadith never existed? Would we ask things like how short should the prayer be...how far should we travel to consider shortening the prayer, etc?" In my opinion, it's all of these technicalities that cause people to be distanced from God.
The first time someone asked me online "How do you shorten the prayer if the Qu'ran doesn't say how many rakas to do?" To me it was simple...like brushing teeth. Most days, I brush my teeth for 2 minutes or so, making sure I do 20 strokes on each surface. Some mornings I am in a hurry, so I do a quicker brushing, maybe 10 strokes or so. I didn't need a manual or to call up my dentist to ask that...it just made sense.
It's the same with traveling I don't consider a trip to the local grocery store "traveling." I consider traveling to be a trip in which I will not be returning home for a while, as in a few days or so. However, if I am at a safe place when I reach my destination (hotel, friends home, etc) then I am in a place where I can pray freely and safely, so I make the full prayer. If I can find a safe place to pray while I am traveling (i.e. a local mosque), then I can make the full prayer then also.
Don't need a hadith or scholar to tell me that one.
One more thing Please consider the time the Qu'ran was revealed...people didn't have cars, planes, etc. to get them places, and it took them days to get anywhere. They probably didn't have hotels to stay the night in...they slept in a camp our out in the wilderness where danger abounded. We don't have that issue now...we are places in a matter of hours anymore, and we can stop in safe places to rest, so it easier for us.
Peace,
Amina
Good point.
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Rameez,
First off, salaam. Secondly, did you ever stop to think that maybe the reason these things aren't in the Qu'ran is because they aren't important? I often ask myself "What if the hadith never existed? Would we ask things like how short should the prayer be...how far should we travel to consider shortening the prayer, etc?" In my opinion, it's all of these technicalities that cause people to be distanced from God.
The first time someone asked me online "How do you shorten the prayer if the Qu'ran doesn't say how many rakas to do?" To me it was simple...like brushing teeth. Most days, I brush my teeth for 2 minutes or so, making sure I do 20 strokes on each surface. Some mornings I am in a hurry, so I do a quicker brushing, maybe 10 strokes or so. I didn't need a manual or to call up my dentist to ask that...it just made sense.
It's the same with traveling I don't consider a trip to the local grocery store "traveling." I consider traveling to be a trip in which I will not be returning home for a while, as in a few days or so. However, if I am at a safe place when I reach my destination (hotel, friends home, etc) then I am in a place where I can pray freely and safely, so I make the full prayer. If I can find a safe place to pray while I am traveling (i.e. a local mosque), then I can make the full prayer then also.
Don't need a hadith or scholar to tell me that one.
One more thing Please consider the time the Qu'ran was revealed...people didn't have cars, planes, etc. to get them places, and it took them days to get anywhere. They probably didn't have hotels to stay the night in...they slept in a camp our out in the wilderness where danger abounded. We don't have that issue now...we are places in a matter of hours anymore, and we can stop in safe places to rest, so it easier for us.
Peace,
Amina
Peace scaredmuslimah
nuff said
Peace O0
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if they are from a trusted source then you are just following facts.. then that can obviously not be shirk but truth and following the truth is following God.
quran says I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.
I am believing other books no matter true or not. According to you that's shirk.
I know there are hadiths from which we can get good advices, I don't see problem in taking a good advice, whichever source we got it from.
My problem with some Muslims is that they claim Qur'an is incomplete without hadith or that hadith is divinely inspired, and that is what I will never accept.
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I am believing other books no matter true or not. According to you that's shirk.
I know there are hadiths from which we can get good advices, I don't see problem in taking a good advice, whichever source we got it from.
My problem with some Muslims is that they claim Qur'an is incomplete without hadith or that hadith is divinely inspired, and that is what I will never accept.
I agree.
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Rameez,
First off, salaam. Secondly, did you ever stop to think that maybe the reason these things aren't in the Qu'ran is because they aren't important? I often ask myself "What if the hadith never existed? Would we ask things like how short should the prayer be...how far should we travel to consider shortening the prayer, etc?" In my opinion, it's all of these technicalities that cause people to be distanced from God.
Peace Amina -- of course it?s important and one has to prioritize everything; take for example...
Islamic scholar ibn Hanbal al-Shaybani
Title Sheikh, Imam Ahl al-Sunnah
Born 780 CE/164 AH
Main interests Fiqh, Hadith (especially on eating watermelons)He was so obsessed and scrupulous a theologian that in his veneration for the prophet refused to eat watermelons even though he knew that the prophet enjoyed watermelons although it was not certain if to peeled off the rind, or whether he broke, bit, or like my sunnah/method use a knife and cut the watermelon!
This is definitely not sunnah ? she's too sloppy, her hair is exposed, it can fall into the watermelon, etc.,
http//i.ebayimg.com/t/Sexy-girl-eating-a-watermelon-Pop-Art-Free-Shipping-/17/!BWLL(Hg!Wk~$(KGrHgoH-C0EjlLlt+dzBKWNd,339Q~~_35.JPG
Likewise choosing the right watermelon is crucial which my correct sunnah is a slight tap with the palm of the hand and listen carefully for a ?thump? sound which takes years of experience and one has to learn from a master...
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Peace Amina -- of course its important and one has to prioritize everything; take for example...
Islamic scholar ibn Hanbal al-Shaybani
Title Sheikh, Imam Ahl al-Sunnah
Born 780 CE/164 AH
Main interests Fiqh, Hadith (especially on eating watermelons)He was so obsessed and scrupulous a theologian that in his veneration for the prophet refused to eat watermelons even though he knew that the prophet enjoyed watermelons although it was not certain if to peeled off the rind, or whether he broke, bit, or like my sunnah/method use a knife and cut the watermelon!
This is definitely not sunnah she's too sloppy, her hair is exposed, it can fall into the watermelon, etc.,
http//i.ebayimg.com/t/Sexy-girl-eating-a-watermelon-Pop-Art-Free-Shipping-/17/!BWLL(Hg!Wk~$(KGrHgoH-C0EjlLlt+dzBKWNd,339Q~~_35.JPG
Likewise choosing the right watermelon is crucial which my correct sunnah is a slight tap with the palm of the hand and listen carefully for a thump sound which takes years of experience and one has to learn from a master...
rotfl But in all fairness also, I will admit that I could have worded that better...It's not that they aren't important, maybe they aren't the most important aspects of worship. How's that?
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He was so obsessed and scrupulous a theologian that in his veneration for the prophet refused to eat watermelons even though he knew that the prophet enjoyed watermelons although it was not certain if to peeled off the rind, or whether he broke, bit, or like my sunnah/method use a knife and cut the watermelon!
Did a quick search and yes, there are hadith about watermelon. o_O
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Rameez,
First off, salaam. Secondly, did you ever stop to think that maybe the reason these things aren't in the Qu'ran is because they aren't important? I often ask myself "What if the hadith never existed? Would we ask things like how short should the prayer be...how far should we travel to consider shortening the prayer, etc?" In my opinion, it's all of these technicalities that cause people to be distanced from God.
The first time someone asked me online "How do you shorten the prayer if the Qu'ran doesn't say how many rakas to do?" To me it was simple...like brushing teeth. Most days, I brush my teeth for 2 minutes or so, making sure I do 20 strokes on each surface. Some mornings I am in a hurry, so I do a quicker brushing, maybe 10 strokes or so. I didn't need a manual or to call up my dentist to ask that...it just made sense.
It's the same with traveling I don't consider a trip to the local grocery store "traveling." I consider traveling to be a trip in which I will not be returning home for a while, as in a few days or so. However, if I am at a safe place when I reach my destination (hotel, friends home, etc) then I am in a place where I can pray freely and safely, so I make the full prayer. If I can find a safe place to pray while I am traveling (i.e. a local mosque), then I can make the full prayer then also.
Don't need a hadith or scholar to tell me that one.
One more thing Please consider the time the Qu'ran was revealed...people didn't have cars, planes, etc. to get them places, and it took them days to get anywhere. They probably didn't have hotels to stay the night in...they slept in a camp our out in the wilderness where danger abounded. We don't have that issue now...we are places in a matter of hours anymore, and we can stop in safe places to rest, so it easier for us.
Peace,
Amina
Thank you sister for this thought provoking post.
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Thank you sister for this thought provoking post.
Masha'Allah...I'm humbled.
Peace,
Amina
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Peace to all, D
Seriosly hadith has so many regulations on how to do stuff; it tries to make religion the whole of our life whis is seriosly wrong. Any respected historian doesn't accept hearsay as evidence because there's no reliable way to proove it unless the person claimed to speak in them was alive. Hadith is a way to destroy freedom tha the Qoran gives to humankind. It's really revolting what some move up to for hadith terrorism, beating one's wife, killing dogs! & .
Good day!
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Peace all...and hello again after a long time.
It's been about 30 years since I decided to become a Muslim, and in all these years, I've never read the hadiths. I chose my religion based on reading the Quran. Not an easy decision, given the conditioning since childhood...much like those people who grew up being told the hadiths were sooo important, I would imagine.
Of course, when I made my choice known, there were a lot of people who came forward to "teach" me the proper ways and practices. The Arabs from the Gulf States had their suggestions, the North Africans had their suggestions, the Malaysians had theirs and so on and so on. Collectively, they just about ruined my faith, and I finally removed myself from contact with anyone who called herself or himself a Muslim.
I stopped praying, stopped fasting and didn't read the Quran at all for a few years. My belief in God didn't change and neither did my belief that following the Quran was the right way. Eventually, I did return to prayers and fasting and, of course, reading and studying the Quran. When I first found this site, I felt a rush of relief...you were people who were of the same mindset, and I learned a lot from reading posts and articles.
And I still don't understand the hadith thing. But okay...I didn't grow up that way.
Something I've never discussed with anyone is why there are people who are so quick to embrace these odd collection of rules, while they totally disregard the Torah. Why? God says there is no change in His ways or His Law. We are to view all prophets equally, and any discrepancies are cleared up in the Quran.
Indeed, the Torah is the Book and the Quran is clarification. The Gospel...well, we all have a sense of it, but the distortions are many. In the Quran, God tells us that this Message is confirming what came before.
Has anyone ever noticed that when "Alif Lam Ra" appears at the start of a sura, there is mention of the Torah?
Maybe this has all been discussed elsewhere and I missed it, but it does seem sometimes that we tend to throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater. And then some people want to go out and find some new water, just cuz they want more rules or something. Like prayer...and being told we have to pray five times a day (and having to hear that blasphemous story about how that came to be)...when there are three clear times mentioned. We have before the sun rises, before the sun sets, after the sun sets (at a time nearest the day), plus a prayer in the nighttime hours that gets us some additional spiritual gains. Hey, guess what...Jewish people pray three times a day. Why is this ignored entirely?
Any learned thoughts on these matters? Before the stones come out! (Or a link to a similar discussion, which I might have missed.)
Thank you.