Why do you reject hadiths
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The Torah, Tawrat, The Law of Moses, or whatever you wish to call it was in Hebrew and that is the first 5 books of the OT ONLY, that is the Torah God refers to in Quran that He gave The Law to Moses, in Hebrew as Moses was Hebrew, not Greek.
some 'other additions' that are NOT the Torah or any part of it from God MAY have been in Greek, but THE Torah was and still is in Hebrew.
Quran places much more emphasis on the things and people from the Torah than the Injeel (Arabic) or Gospel (English) because the Injeel of Jesus is most likely one of the books (if there was such a 'book' that the Nicene Council dumped in 325ad along with all the other 'gospels according to..' by the people that were actually with Jesus at the time he was alive. Those 'gospels according to ' people like Thomas and Mary Magdalene are proof that Jesus never said he was God or the begotten son in the sense Christians are led to believe and proved he was a MAN with a message, the 'Church' didn't like that..........Paul made Christianity what it is today. The main (or maybe the only ) point that Quran does mention is the son of God thing, the rest is about Torah and the prophets of that because we do still have that and did in the early 700s when Quran was revealed.
My belief at this point in my studies is that the Injeel/Gospel was a 'teaching' by Jesus and was written by others as 'Gospel according to....' but those people with a true account of the teaching would be people who knew him and were his disciples, and there were/are those books but they are not in the NT as we now know it due to 325ad and Constantine's little reshuffle.
Salaam,
Do you believe that this includes the Book of Barnabus that so many others talk about?
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Salaam,
Do you believe that this includes the Book of Barnabus that so many others talk about?
Salam peace Barnabas wasn't one of the 12 disciples of Jesus, according to the books of Paul (Saul) he was the one that brought Paul to the disciples after his supposed vision........according to Paul. There were 12 that Jesus chose, there were others that were declared or claimed to be, Barnabas and Paul were of those.
I read the book of Barnabas years ago and it was interesting!
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Salam peace Barnabas wasn't one of the 12 disciples of Jesus, according to the books of Paul (Saul) he was the one that brought Paul to the disciples after his supposed vision........according to Paul. There were 12 that Jesus chose, there were others that were declared or claimed to be, Barnabas and Paul were of those.
I read the book of Barnabas years ago and it was interesting!
Thank you for clarifying that...I hadn't gotten that far in my study of the Bible when I converted to Islam. I myself have read pieces of it...not sure what to make of it.
Peace,
Amina
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The original "hebrew of the OT was lost many centuries ago, and only a greek copy of it was kept. The PRESENT "hebrew" version of it is a translation from the greek that was preserved.
Salaam
Do you have any reference for your own assertion or is it just conjecture?
Salaam
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Peace huruf.
Are you conversing wit yourself or am I misunderstanding your posts?
Peace.
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Peace huruf.
Are you conversing wit yourself or am I misunderstanding your posts?
Peace.
No, my God I wouldn't converse with myself, how boring! My mistake I was answering message n? 244 of Ayisha, and I did the wrong quote.
Sorry for the mistake. D
Salaam
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Do you have any reference for your own assertion or is it just conjecture?
Salaam
It is rude to answer a question with a question without actually answering the question peace
But as we are playing I'll show you mine if you show me yours, yes the first part of my post is pretty much judaism 101, Moses was Hebrew so the Torah was in Hebrew coz God is clever and that's why He also did that amazing feat again and gave Quran in Arabic, coz Muhammed spoke Arabic....clever huh? yay
The Hebrew Torah was translated into Greek though for inclusion into the Alexandria Library.
The second part of my post was from Quran as if you look you will see more references to Torah characters than the NT characters..........other parts are what I've studied over the years about the Nicene Creed and the lost books and blah blah........... feel free to refute my logic with your own.
so now your turn bravo
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You just state what you believe, but no reference.
You are wrong that I was being rude. I was just trying to make you think from where you know what you think you know, because that way you might get the wiser even better than by asking me.
As it happens you just laugh at it. That's ok. But I did not take the question as a joke and I do not want to pursue it in that line.
There is plenty of information in internet if you are interested and actually anybody who knows anything about the bible knows that the extant hebrew version comes originally from a greek translation called septuagint. It is no secret nor a mystery nor something that is ever so rare that it was as if I was trying to sell you o green dog. What you choose to believe or not is your concern not mine.
Salaam
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Bigmo...ummm...I think you misread something. I was actually agreeing with what you had said, so I'm not sure what you got in a huff about. Similar views, stated slightly different ways, none of which was written in Chinese.
As for the Torah having to be translated from Greek back into Hebrew, that is fairly well known. There are writings (as in instructional type things) by Jewish scholars that mention there being certain problems with the translation, where they feel verses may have been transcribed out of order and similar types of mistakes.
I've read the Barnabas version, too, but I believe some questions have been raised about its authenticity based on syntax and language used, i.e., the language of the original manuscript "discovered" supposedly doesn't fit the time period. However, I"m not stating that as a fact since I only vaguely remember reading something like that.
huruf...I apologize. I missed your earlier post somehow about the "you" being clearer in meaning in Arabic than in English. Thank you for that clarification. I broached this subject because it was something I had been considering, and it seemed like the kind of topic that people on this site would offer insights about in ways I'd not considered.
Peace.
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Bigmo...ummm...I think you misread something. I was actually agreeing with what you had said, so I'm not sure what you got in a huff about. Similar views, stated slightly different ways, none of which was written in Chinese.
As for the Torah having to be translated from Greek back into Hebrew, that is fairly well known. There are writings (as in instructional type things) by Jewish scholars that mention there being certain problems with the translation, where they feel verses may have been transcribed out of order and similar types of mistakes.
I've read the Barnabas version, too, but I believe some questions have been raised about its authenticity based on syntax and language used, i.e., the language of the original manuscript "discovered" supposedly doesn't fit the time period. However, I"m not stating that as a fact since I only vaguely remember reading something like that.
huruf...I apologize. I missed your earlier post somehow about the "you" being clearer in meaning in Arabic than in English. Thank you for that clarification. I broached this subject because it was something I had been considering, and it seemed like the kind of topic that people on this site would offer insights about in ways I'd not considered.
Peace.
huff (hf)
n.
A fit of anger or annoyance; a pique stormed off in a huff.
v. huffed, huff?ing, huffs
v.intr.- To puff; blow.
- To make noisy, empty threats; bluster.
- To react indignantly; take offense.
- Slang To inhale the fumes of a volatile chemical or substance as a means of becoming intoxicated.
v.tr. - To cause to puff up; inflate.
- To treat with insolence; bully.
- To anger; annoy.
- Slang To inhale the fumes of (a volatile chemical
I am not sure what made you think this is what I am doing? Did i sound like anything above? I am just debating and discussing.
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hy?per?bo?le
noun (Rhetoric)
1.obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2.an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as ?to wait an eternity."And, now, to move from the rhetorical to the metaphorical...the winds are a bit too blustery for me here.
Peace.
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Peace hawkninetynine, all.
I have missed 30 years of prayers in my life.I got to know and be drawn to my creator later on in my life.
So according to your sunni friends , I have missed 365 x 5 x 30 prayers, which is 54750 prayers.
Now if every two prayers missed, I will have to make up 20 rakkats. I am 27375 x 20 rakkats behind.
That makes 547500 rakkats! I wonder how many credits missed?
Well if you do not hear from me, I will be very busy?
Peace.
Peace good logic,
lol! And If you didn't make up those 547,500 rakkats some of my old friends would hold it against you!
Peace O0