:: Adam? The first person or ....? ::
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You really make very confusing threads.
Salaam Shirin,
If you are saying this to me, then please clarify your doubts by asking them, inshaAllah, I will try to clarify it if I have knowledge about it. But please let me know what confuses you.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
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This is one very topic where we all are not sure.
The version of Khalifa seems more logical.
We were all in the heavenly kingdom before and Satan was an angel who eventually rebelled due to given powers. As Khalifa pointed out, Satan thought he could be a god himself. Even on Earth, when a simple human being gets money and power, he tends to be corrupted and tyrannical. This "tendency" is due to Satan influencing him. And Satan himself got this tendency in heaven itself. And he rebelled against God.
It is very likely that Satan and his jinns ruled on Earth before humans. Bear in mind that before the coming of humans on Earth, millions of species already existed (dinosaurs, giant mammals). What was the purpose of having these dinosaurs on Earth? And why did God exterminate them? To provide fossil fuel for us???
God allowed us to follow Satan's order in heaven and eat from the tree, in order to distinguish those amongst us who would do better.
Jinns and humans were sent to Earth to serve as a test for God to prove who would do better. The human being tends not to believe things unless he is shown the proof twice. Our lives on Earth serve as a double-check for our real intent. This we cannot fool argue with God. This is the ultimate justice.
Since Quran mentions that jinns were made from fire, they cannot be simply an evil nature. They must be creations similar to humans and they will have a garden for themselves as well(sura 55). Why?If you dont believe that there was a destiny before our lives on Earth, please explain why some people are born dead, some die young, some die at 110 years old, etc. Why did this person deserve to die so young? What was his crime on Earth? No person bears the sin of another, so why are some children born in famine? There must be a reason to all this.
Please remember that Quran says that we all witnessed that there is only one God because our creation. -
Peace StopS.
Do you believe the Qoran? I am addressing those who believe Qoran is from GOD.
I have given verses from the Qoran along with every question!
God is talking to " Humans", there is a verse that says " Shall We just ignore the fact that you transgressed the limit"?
That to me means " original sin" What does it mean to you?
You do not have to get involved if you do not believe that Qoran is the word of GOD.
Thank you.
Peace.So your questions should be ignored by 80% of all humans, when Islam states it is intended for 100% of humans? Aren't you a bit presumptuous?
You are taking words which are meant spiritually and transferring the implications derived from interpretation into the everyday and real world. You can't do that. What I was trying to say is that Adam was not physically the first man and thus not the bearer of any sin.
However, if you decide to think only in a surreal world without any hooks into reality, then you are right, I am not in a position to help or provide input.
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So are you saying there are a number of people in the quran who are adam's?
I actualy agree with that.
peace
Salaam 357,
I mean to say that we all are Adam, that's why we are also addressed as bani Adam in AlQuraan.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
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Salaam 357,
I mean to say that we all are Adam, that's why we are also addressed as bani Adam in AlQuraan.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhancome on;
Then how do we apply ;
We said "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."
to a person who isn't a male or female?
peace
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come on;
Then how do we apply ;
We said "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."
to a person who isn't a male or female?
peace
What is it you ar quoting?
Salaam
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What is it you ar quoting?
Salaam
mmkhan said
I mean to say that we all are Adam
So if we are all Adam, how do you apply this ayah to everybody?
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We said "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."
especially to a person who isn't a male or female, or to a child or to someone whose wife is now dead, or someone who doesn?t have the appetite for women and wants to remain so?
What i believe, we aren?t all Adam, but only if we go through a certain unfortunate incident can we be characterized as such, therefore only certain people of the Quran are Adam .
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No, 357, you put something with quotation marks
"O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."
So what is that quotation you are making?
Salaam
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Peace,
Interestingly enough, this question took me back to my days as a Christian. An atheist asked my pastor "If Adam and Eve were the first people on earth, and had two sons, then their sons got married, who did they get married to?" The pastors response was "Well, obviously Adam and Eve had other children, and they had children." The atheist said "So you are saying that they committed incest with each other? Isn't that a sin in the Bible?" The pastor said "That is how it had to be at that time."
Even I couldn't wrap my head around that one...makes more sense to me that there were other people on the earth at the time. That Adam and Eve were just the "first" created ones...not the only created ones.
Amina
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No, 357, you put something with quotation marks
"O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."
So what is that quotation you are making?
Salaam
Just a quranic ayah 235
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mmkhan said
So if we are all Adam, how do you apply this ayah to everybody?
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We said "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."
especially to a person who isn't a male or female, or to a child or to someone whose wife is now dead, or someone who doesn?t have the appetite for women and wants to remain so?
What i believe, we aren?t all Adam, but only if we go through a certain unfortunate incident can we be characterized as such, therefore only certain people of the Quran are Adam .
Salaam 357,
Brother, We all are Adam means only men, because when I said that we are also called Bani Adam, bani is not children but sons.
mmKhan
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Interesting topic. Like most here, it's one I've thought a lot about, as well.
I've often wondered if there were men who were part of the evolution of the earth--like the animals of the earth--who were created in a much different way than Adam. There is physical evidence of the cavemen types, such as Neanderthals and other "types." Maybe Adam was more refined, spiritually and physically.
While I don't want to go and dig up references (and maybe someone here knows more about this), I remember reading a couple of articles about theories of how the cavemen types from what was, back in the day, the land that later became the European countries...how the mixed and mingled with more advanced men (based on bones) from the Middle Eastern and N. African areas.
And I should note that I use "men" for both genders here, and that I am an American woman with British and Welsh blood coursing through my veins. But I do believe my early ancestors were often referred to as total barbarians!
Also...I've often thought that the "descend" part of Adam and Eve's expulsion from Eden might have been a spiritual descent. They were no longer on a high spiritual plane or dimension, no longer elevated above other earthly beings in terms of closeness to God. That is, if we think about being enlightened, we usually think of it in terms of "rising up" to a higher level of understanding.
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The story of Adam, which is narrated metaphorically, is, in fact, the story of mankind itself. In this story, Adam stands for Man, his mate for Woman, Malaika for forces of nature, Iblees (or Shait?an) for baser human desires which become a powerful impediment in the way of accepting or following the Divine Guidance.
Read the explanation of Al Bakara by Parwez from verse 29 in this link; http//www.tolueislam.org/Parwez/expo/expo_002.htm
QURAN & EVOLUTION
http//www.parvez-video.com/insight/islam/evolution_quran/index.asp
Support for evolution in Quran
http//www.linamalkawi.com/2009/07/support-for-evolution-in-quran.html
Creation and Evolution in Quran
http//www.aljazeerah.info/Islamic%20Editorials/2007/October/Creation%20and%20Evolution%20in%20the%20Holy%20Qur'an%20By%20Hassan%20El-Najjar.htm
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I agree that Adam is the species. I think humanity is not so much a more or less evolved race or variety, but rather the ability to discriminate right an wrong. The physical make-up is not determinant.
On the other hand it seems a fsact that we have Neanderthal dna. Whatever happened in the past, it seems today we are clear as to who are human and who are not and what is foreseeable is that we will be genetically modified, if we have not been already by human intervention and that the future may bring a new race, more "human" than others is geneticla modifications are made selectively, for instance, those who cna pay can get nice modifications.
Salaam