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Which direction to pray?

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    No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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    Christianity and Judaism are death cults and have nothing to do with Islam

    Your outlook on people is destructive and sad, to say the least. You truly do not understand the concept of 16125, 262, 319, 4914, 2946. Besides the different verses on ideology, let me just quote a bit on manners and debating etiquette

    16125 Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and good advice, and argue with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord is fully aware of who is misguided from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones.

    16126 If you penalize, then punish with an equivalent punishment inflicted on you. If you show patience then it is better for the patient ones.

    16127 Be patient, and your patience is only possible by God. Do not grieve for them, and do not be depressed by what they scheme.

    16128 God is with the upright, and the benefactors.

    I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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      Kaiokenred
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      Your outlook on people is destructive and sad, to say the least. You truly do not understand the concept of 16125, 262, 319, 4914, 2946. Besides the different verses on ideology, let me just quote a bit on manners and debating etiquette

      16125 Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and good advice, and argue with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord is fully aware of who is misguided from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones.

      16126 If you penalize, then punish with an equivalent punishment inflicted on you. If you show patience then it is better for the patient ones.

      16127 Be patient, and your patience is only possible by God. Do not grieve for them, and do not be depressed by what they scheme.

      16128 God is with the upright, and the benefactors.

      Blah blah blah, I was just stating how history has proven both these religions. How are those verses you posted any relevant? The irony is high here, since it's you who understands nothing and takes verses ( with translations I don't even believe ) out of context

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        Bahman
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        Refreshing the proper posture to pray towards Mecca from that point

        http//www.serpentbox.com/blog/images/masl17_yearinphotos0712.jpg

        Salam / Peace

        Peace
        Thank you for short and meaningful pic.

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          No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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          Blah blah blah, I was just stating how history has proven both these religions. How are those verses you posted any relevant? The irony is high here, since it's you who understands nothing and takes verses ( with translations I don't even believe ) out of context

          I dont want to say that you are the most rude and ignorant member here, because you are probably still young, just as I was when I started out here. But show a little respect, intelligence and maturity, kid. You think the many proponents of so-called "Islam" are any better then some Jews or Christians? There are good Christians and bad Christians, good "Muslims" and bad "Muslims" (I'm using quotation marks because the proper term in the Quran is "mumeen&quot. If you have less hate and ignorance in your mind and, and were more open, it would be better. Perhaps then you could argue more reasonably and learn a lot more.

          I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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            Bahman
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            just as I was when I started out here.

            Peace and God bless, that was 3 years ago and you were 16 now you are 19.

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              Mr_Q
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              Blah blah blah, I was just stating how history has proven both these religions. How are those verses you posted any relevant? The irony is high here, since it's you who understands nothing and takes verses ( with translations I don't even believe ) out of context

              Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and good advice, and argue with them with that which is better. Your Lord is fully aware of who is misguided from His path, and He is fully aware of the guided ones. (16125)
              Not equal is the good and the bad response. You shall resort to one which is better. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend. (4134)
              Tell My servants to treat each other in the best possible manner, for the devil will always try to drive a wedge among them. Surely, the devil is man's most ardent enemy. (1753)

              Funny how in the Quran, those who acknowledge God do not respond with "blah blah blah" when their conduct is shown to be in error. They respond by hearing and obeying.

              And those who when they are reminded of their Lord's verses, they do not fall on them deaf and blind. (2573)

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                No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                Peace and God bless, that was 3 years ago and you were 16 now you are 19. )

                Haha yes D
                Come a long way and will, go a lot further from here, God-willing.

                I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                  Bahman
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                  Refreshing the proper posture to pray towards Mecca from that point

                  http//www.serpentbox.com/blog/images/masl17_yearinphotos0712.jpg

                  Salam / Peace

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                    Bahman
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                    http//youtu.be/pXamneUaa50

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                      GODsubmitter
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                      http//youtu.be/pXamneUaa50

                      Quite interesting!
                      Thank you

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                        GODsubmitter
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                          Bahman
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                          Down... rotfl rotfl

                          http//image1.masterfile.com/em_w/00/07/84/700-00078402w.jpg

                          Peace Jafar
                          You image is missing some link and is not responding ,you may re post it

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                            Bahman
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                            Peace everybody.
                            Regardless, timing, actions, words, claims for 396,...... now we live in such era with GPS and all other tools to find our direction
                            Any high school student knows that any sphere any size can have infinite center axis wich creates 2 points 180 degree apart from each other in all directions.
                            Simpler example is we can insert a Large Knitting Needles into any line splitting an orange in any direction which creates 2 points 180 degree apart from each other in infinite direction (Nano degrees )
                            The following image shows that person in city 180 degree apart of KabhaS !

                            https//fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/394159_537189249641182_1715319254_n.jpg

                            Peace
                            i refresh the image was was corrupted but wonder this member which claims has PHD in mathematics and as far i have seen only manipulation of Miracle and not producing anything may knows the direction for prayer in the location showed on image .

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                              Bahman
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                              https//fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/p480x480/1146519_602590819762793_612736888_n.jpg

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                                hawk99
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                                Peace,

                                How did this direction thing become so complicated?

                                http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604383.msg308307#msg308307

                                We have seen you turning your face about the sky. We now assign a Qiblah
                                that is pleasing to you. Henceforth, you shall turn your face towards the Sacred Masjid.
                                Wherever you may be, all of you shall turn your faces towards it. Those who received the
                                previous scripture know that this is the truth from their Lord. GOD is never unaware of
                                anything they do.

                                Wherever you go, you shall turn your face towards the Sacred Masjid.
                                This is the truth from your Lord. GOD is never unaware of anything you all do

                                Wherever you go, you shall turn your face towards the Sacred
                                Masjid; wherever you might be, you shall turn your faces towards it. Thus,
                                the people will have no argument against you, except the transgressors among them.
                                Do not fear them, and fear Me instead. I will then perfect My blessings upon you, that
                                you may be guided.

                                peace

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                                  No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                  The real question is, which direction is your goal or focus towards?

                                  2144 We see the shifting of your face towards the sky; We will thus set for you a focus/goal ("qiblah&quot that will be pleasing to you, "You shall set yourself towards "al masjid al haram"; and wherever you may be, you shall all set yourselves towards it." Those who have been given the book know it is the truth from their Lord. God is not oblivious of what you do.

                                  2150 Wherever you go out, you shall set yourself towards "al masjid al haram". Wherever you may be, you shall set yourselves towards it; that the people will have no room for debate with you, except those of them who are wicked. You shall not fear them, but fear Me so that I may complete My blessings upon you and that you may be guided.

                                  People should think less superficially and ritualistic and more in terms of meaning and purpose.

                                  I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                    hawk99
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                                    The real question is, which direction is your goal or focus towards?
                                    People should think less superficially and ritualistic and more in terms of meaning and purpose.

                                    Peace progressive1993,

                                    God specifically states that we are to have rituals
                                    These are rituals

                                    2/184 Yusuf Ali (Fasting) for a fixed number of days;.............................................

                                    Once you complete your Contact Prayer, you shall remember GOD while
                                    standing, sitting, or lying down.* Once the war is over, you shall observe the Contact
                                    Prayers; the Contact Prayers are decreed for the believers at specific times

                                    rit?u?al/rtul/ Show Spelled Show IPA
                                    noun

                                    1. an established or prescribed procedure for a religious or other rite.

                                    God bless

                                    peace

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                                      Wakas
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                                      peace,

                                      How did this direction thing become so complicated?

                                      I think it is because of the problems it creates, discussion of 20 problems here
                                      http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-masjid-al-haram-Quran.html

                                      No-one has answered them to date* if you can feel free.

                                      *not that I think they cannot be answered but certainly not with an eloquent/coherent/logical explanation.

                                      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                        No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                        Peace progressive1993,

                                        God specifically states that we are to have rituals
                                        These are rituals

                                        2/184 Yusuf Ali (Fasting) for a fixed number of days;.............................................

                                        Once you complete your Contact Prayer, you shall remember GOD while
                                        standing, sitting, or lying down.* Once the war is over, you shall observe the Contact
                                        Prayers; the Contact Prayers are decreed for the believers at specific times

                                        rit?u?al/rtul/ Show Spelled Show IPA
                                        noun

                                        1. an established or prescribed procedure for a religious or other rite.

                                        God bless

                                        peace

                                        ...Not in the mind-numbingly sense that most people are doing it in nowadays.
                                        And you don't contradict any of the previous statements about the "qiblah".

                                        Bonus from Wiki

                                        A ritual "is a stereotyped sequence of activities involving gestures, words, and objects, performed in a sequestered place, and designed to influence preternatural entities or forces on behalf of the actors' goals and interests." Rituals may be prescribed by the traditions of a community, including a religious community. Rituals are characterized by formalism, traditionalism, invariance, rule-governance, sacral symbolism and performance.

                                        I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                          hawk99
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                                          Peace progressive1993,

                                          ...Not in the mind-numbingly sense that most people are doing it in nowadays.

                                          I do not understand this

                                          And you don't contradict any of the previous statements about the "qiblah".

                                          I do not understand this

                                          Bonus from Wiki
                                          A ritual "is a stereotyped sequence of activities involving gestures, words, and objects, performed in a sequestered place, and designed to influence preternatural entities or forces on behalf of the actors' goals and interests." Rituals may be prescribed by the traditions of a community, including a religious community. Rituals are characterized by formalism, traditionalism, invariance, rule-governance, sacral symbolism and performance.

                                          Definition I gave was sound, yours is more complicated but same thing, therefore I agree.

                                          You did not address the ayats

                                          peace

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