The One Who's Not God
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@Magnus - my bad on the misquote... typing from phone...
But, I am always questioning my assumptions. Scripture explains the many attributes of Allah, but the only verse which I am aware of which tries to describe God is the following
http//www.islamawakened.com/Quran/24/35/default.htmAlso, I mis-spoke earlier... I don't think that God is Energy. What I meant to say was that when I think of God, I think of just pure energy.
Yes, God as Energy/light may explain the omnipotent, and omni-presence of God
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Yes, God as Energy/light may explain the omnipotent, and omni-presence of God
No, it really doesn't. For example, how can God be all-knowing if He is limited to the speed of light? Are you saying that God is subject to the laws of thermodynamics?
(There are constraints to this physical universe, including constraints on energy - limits to what it is and what it does, if you will. God is not constrained. Trying to figure out God through analogues to the physical world is stupid, submission to God is wise)
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No, it really doesn't. For example, how can God be all-knowing if He is limited to the speed of light? Are you saying that God is subject to the laws of thermodynamics?
(There are constraints to this physical universe, including constraints on energy - limits to what it is and what it does, if you will. God is not constrained. Trying to figure out God through analogues to the physical world is stupid, submission to God is wise)
Exactly. We cannot figure out God with our minds. It is like a computer game character trying to figure out the programmer, but cannot reach into that reality. We are told not to associate IT with anything, so we should not make images of God made up of physical things like light and energy or anything else. Peace.
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Exactly. We cannot figure out God with our minds. It is like a computer game character trying to figure out the programmer, but cannot reach into that reality. We are told not to associate IT with anything, so we should not make images of God made up of physical things like light and energy or anything else. Peace.
Hence, the meaning of word Allah as "one who is not at all a deity for worship". Not like this deity or that deity. One is not a deity and hence, there is not deity at all to worship. Does not current meaning of Allah create a mental picture? I do not need an answer to this question. Just be honest to yourselves and answer it.
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Also, I mis-spoke earlier... I don't think that God is Energy. What I meant to say was that when I think of God, I think of just pure energy.
Its kinda weird how "we" perceive "Pure Energy" (because I imagine that as a blob of some kind of white light and what not - in reality, we don't know what pure Energy is, maybe matter itself?)
btw, I love your Avatar, its just so funny PYes, God as Energy/light may explain the omnipotent, and omni-presence of God
God being Energy would imply mass and that he somehow dilates the space-time metric => He will be subject to Gravity - which is just plain weird for God!
God being Light would limit him at the speed of light and he will still be subjected to Gravity
(Because they just indicate a paradox, like, Can God make a law which he is subject to (Energy-Gravity)? or Can God make a mountain which he cannot jump over? to give some examples)God being Energy also leads to some kind of Pantheism, since God is Energy and all matter is Energy, so one can also worship matter P
God being Light cannot make him Omnipotent, being Energy might, but I am not very sureIf God were light, then it'd be very easy to hide from God P (know what I mean )
To me God is the one who made all these laws of Physics, Maths and things I do not know, a being so far high that his beauty and majesty are so intensely high that we cannot comprehend entirely and hinted by everything from Laws of Biology, ei=-1 and the Universe (which we evolved somehow to see it as being beautiful, even though its dangerous P )
No, it really doesn't. For example, how can God be all-knowing if He is limited to the speed of light? Are you saying that God is subject to the laws of thermodynamics?
Couldn't agree more )
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Does not current meaning of Allah create a mental picture? I do not need an answer to this question. Just be honest to yourselves and answer it.
Giving an answer anyway
It doesn't create a mental image with me, because I'm not raised in an environment that uses the word 'Allah'. But, the word 'God' does, like you implied, create an image... a useless image... and that's what I always want to stay away from. Bytheway, I sometimes use the word 'Being' instead of 'God' or 'Allah', when speaking English, since this really is neutral to me... and therefore closer to reality.
Cheers and peace
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I have come to realize, that God is the Truth Manifested
226 That is because God is the truth, and He gives life to the dead, and He is capable of all things.
2262 That is because God is the truth, and what they call on besides Him is falsehood. And God is the Most High, the Great.
2425 On that Day, God will pay them what they are owed in full, and they will know that God is the Truth Manifested.
3130 That is because God is the truth, and that which they call on besides Him is falsehood, and that God is the Most High, the Great.
See this thread for more...
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604656.0 -
For all "Nay sayers" here is very humbly something to consider with open mind
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, take it as a proper name, like you do and want to take it. Due "Raffa" at end letter it is a "subject" of sentence.
a particle used for negation, meaning "not".
. due "Nasab" at last letter has to be an "object" of sentence.
Let us translate it
Allah is not an Illah. What was Illah, the pagan unseen highest god. The highest unseen deity for worship. Shall it be more explicit than this?
Hope it shall help you to open your eyes, my brothers and sisters.
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Salaam,
Well! Brother bkanwar2, can you please translate for me 4171?
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4171 O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Maseeh, Eisa, the son of Maryam, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Maryam and a soul from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one ilaha. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
You can only translate the highlighted part from this aayat.
May Allah protect us and increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
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Mr. Khan time permiting, I shall fulfill your wish soon. However, if you know even basic of arabic. Please point out any mistakes in above translation.
Regards
Thank you...
Please take your time... but do let me know where is that aayat you have quoted, please give me the sura and aayat.
Thanks and regards.
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a particle meaning truly or verily
A proper name by common understanding for our Rabb, (you know linguistic understanding rendered earlier as one who is not a deity for worship?). But let us stick to it as proper name. Syntactically, it is the subject of sentence ora compound or it is predicate/object or of the sentence. Have two words in it as one could see.
means an unseen deity for worship or a god
here is the problem. Usually it is understood as word with meaning ?one or only?
Let us analyze, if this understanding is correct or wrong based upon linguistic facts and rules.
Most Arabic words have a three letter root. All roots have a basic meaning. From these three letter roots are derived further words based upon well defined measures or . These measures add meanings to root meanings.With this quick recap let us apply these basic principles to this word
Root
Measure , root becomesRoot meaning ? he became alone apart from others?. Please see link
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume8/00000181.pdf
Please add meaning of , he separates himself from all others. Who are all others? next word of illah or god, as part of compound, is used to define these others.So meanings
?Surely, Allah separates himself from all concepts of illah or god?.
Now if replace real meaning of Allah
?Surely, One who is not a deity for worship, separates himself from all concepts of illah or god?.
So please tell me, the entity who is seperating oneself from all concepts of gods/deities for worship. Why would one want to be a god oneself? The word god itself means a deity for worship.
Regards,
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Sorry, I can't see any pointer to 'verbal noun'... but I'm just a layman and I don't know too much about the intricacies of grammar. But I find it interesting and I will follow this thread, and I hope those with good knowledge of grammar will take part in the discussion.
Cheers
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Measure , root becomeshttp//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume8/00000181.pdf
Please add meaning of , he separates himself from all others.It is a very basic measure of verbal nouns. It adds meaning of one doing act/verb contained in verbal root itself, but described as a noun.
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