The One Who's Not God
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Does not current meaning of Allah create a mental picture? I do not need an answer to this question. Just be honest to yourselves and answer it.
Giving an answer anyway
It doesn't create a mental image with me, because I'm not raised in an environment that uses the word 'Allah'. But, the word 'God' does, like you implied, create an image... a useless image... and that's what I always want to stay away from. Bytheway, I sometimes use the word 'Being' instead of 'God' or 'Allah', when speaking English, since this really is neutral to me... and therefore closer to reality.
Cheers and peace
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I have come to realize, that God is the Truth Manifested
226 That is because God is the truth, and He gives life to the dead, and He is capable of all things.
2262 That is because God is the truth, and what they call on besides Him is falsehood. And God is the Most High, the Great.
2425 On that Day, God will pay them what they are owed in full, and they will know that God is the Truth Manifested.
3130 That is because God is the truth, and that which they call on besides Him is falsehood, and that God is the Most High, the Great.
See this thread for more...
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For all "Nay sayers" here is very humbly something to consider with open mind
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, take it as a proper name, like you do and want to take it. Due "Raffa" at end letter it is a "subject" of sentence.
a particle used for negation, meaning "not".
. due "Nasab" at last letter has to be an "object" of sentence.
Let us translate it
Allah is not an Illah. What was Illah, the pagan unseen highest god. The highest unseen deity for worship. Shall it be more explicit than this?
Hope it shall help you to open your eyes, my brothers and sisters.
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Salaam,
Well! Brother bkanwar2, can you please translate for me 4171?
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4171 O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Maseeh, Eisa, the son of Maryam, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Maryam and a soul from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one ilaha. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
You can only translate the highlighted part from this aayat.
May Allah protect us and increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
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Mr. Khan time permiting, I shall fulfill your wish soon. However, if you know even basic of arabic. Please point out any mistakes in above translation.
Regards
Thank you...
Please take your time... but do let me know where is that aayat you have quoted, please give me the sura and aayat.
Thanks and regards.
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a particle meaning truly or verily
A proper name by common understanding for our Rabb, (you know linguistic understanding rendered earlier as one who is not a deity for worship?). But let us stick to it as proper name. Syntactically, it is the subject of sentence ora compound or it is predicate/object or of the sentence. Have two words in it as one could see.
means an unseen deity for worship or a god
here is the problem. Usually it is understood as word with meaning ?one or only?
Let us analyze, if this understanding is correct or wrong based upon linguistic facts and rules.
Most Arabic words have a three letter root. All roots have a basic meaning. From these three letter roots are derived further words based upon well defined measures or . These measures add meanings to root meanings.With this quick recap let us apply these basic principles to this word
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Measure , root becomesRoot meaning ? he became alone apart from others?. Please see link
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume8/00000181.pdf
Please add meaning of , he separates himself from all others. Who are all others? next word of illah or god, as part of compound, is used to define these others.So meanings
?Surely, Allah separates himself from all concepts of illah or god?.
Now if replace real meaning of Allah
?Surely, One who is not a deity for worship, separates himself from all concepts of illah or god?.
So please tell me, the entity who is seperating oneself from all concepts of gods/deities for worship. Why would one want to be a god oneself? The word god itself means a deity for worship.
Regards,
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Sorry, I can't see any pointer to 'verbal noun'... but I'm just a layman and I don't know too much about the intricacies of grammar. But I find it interesting and I will follow this thread, and I hope those with good knowledge of grammar will take part in the discussion.
Cheers
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Measure , root becomeshttp//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume8/00000181.pdf
Please add meaning of , he separates himself from all others.It is a very basic measure of verbal nouns. It adds meaning of one doing act/verb contained in verbal root itself, but described as a noun.
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Sorry missed this part. It is Sura Baqra, Aya 255, popularly know as Ayat Al Kursi.
Regards
That's ok...
But brother you mis-used the aayat, let me show how.
2255 ...
Why didn't you translate this red part in your reply#21? Can you please translate this complete part mentioned above . Thanks!
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
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Salaam,
Thank you, I don't think the red part is correct.
What is according you the difference between God and Allah?
Salaam,
BenderBrother you are free to think whatever you like. However, description given for concept of the word god, is not mine. It is by religious, philosphers and scholars of the said language.
Conceptually, word Allah, as it is understood and as well, manifested by practice of religion of Islam today. I do not find any difference in concept. Difference is only in practice of mode and rituals of worship for the two.
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That's ok...
But brother you mis-used the aayat, let me show how.
2255 ...
Why didn't you translate this red part in your reply#21? Can you please translate this complete part mentioned above . Thanks!
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
mmKhanAllah is not a deity for worship, except he
But let me decode for you fully, so you may percieve the depth of this sentence.( )
One who is not a deity for worship, does not at all belong to genus/specie of illah (deity for worship).This part of verse( ) after denying Allah as deity for worship is followed by "La" as a particle of negation, used here as " La-e- Nafee alJiins" due Nasab on illah. Illah here is not object of the sentence. But it is repeated to deny any and every such concept of deity for worship. Please contemplate.
Regards
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Allah is not a deity for worship, except he
But let me decode for you fully, so you may percieve the depth of this sentence.Thank you for your reply.
Can you please elaborate the first line? Who is "he"? As per your translations, it is cannot be Allah, because He is out of question when you say "Allah is not a deity for worship", then who is "he" and what means "except" in this sentence. Please clarify for me.
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One who is not a deity for worship, does not at all belong to genus/specie of illah (deity for worship).You again missed "illa huwa" brother.
Let me translate it in your way "One who is not a deity for worship, no deity for worship, except he". To me it makes not sense. Can you please put some light on this to explain. Thanks.
This part of verse( ) after denying Allah as deity for worship is followed by "La" as a particle of negation, used here as " La-e- Nafee alJiins" due Nasab on illah. Illah here is not object of the sentence. But it is repeated to deny any and every such concept of deity for worship. Please contemplate.
Regards
We are not going into grammar as for now, we just wanted to see how to make that sentence correct at the moment, we will go into grammar when needed later inshaAllah.
Thanks again for your reply,
May Allah guide us to His only path and increase us in knowledge pr
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You again missed "illa huwa" brother.
Please pay attention to part high lighted in red. You have your answer.
Thank you for your reply.
Can you please elaborate the first line? Who is "he"? As per your translations, it is cannot be Allah, because He is out of question when you say "Allah is not a deity for worship", then who is "he" and what means "except" in this sentence.
Brother, Who is he? I am surprised you put the verse below as your signature and yet you ask me who is he?
The word "except" relates to and what is said after describing what he is not in this verse.
Regards