The Qur'aan and The Hidden Book called The Book (al-kitaab).
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Salaam al-amiyr,
Sorry if you feel it offended, please accept my apologize, I did not meant that way.
Let me explain you why I wrote that... When I start reading it, it gives me same impression that I found on many websites, when I try to find a price of some item which I am interested in, they drag and drag and drag to pages, informing about their product's benefits, how it works, etc. etc... when I am only interested in it's price.
When I try to see what is that hidden book in your post, I feel the same. My first point that you wrote is "half of your original post was just LIKE a marketing stuff", I am sorry that I don't understand how I missed "like" from that line. This continues the second part "it seems that you are gonna sell some books here". Because of the way you write, it seems to me that you are going to sell some books.
I did not meant to blame you in any ways, and believe me, I simply write those lines without any intention. Just by keeping in mind those marketing strategy that I mentioned. Hope I made my point clear, inshaAllah.
As I explained above, when I was trying to find something and could not able to reach that point, I started feeling bore.Please take a look at first half of your original post by keeping in mind what I said and you will understand what I am saying inshaAllah.
I personally don't like repeated words in any article, I prefer it to be point by point, anyways, that is my personal choice. Again, I apologize if you feel offended, and I never meant in that way.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
mmKhansalaam+ brother mmkhan
I am very happy that there was no bad intention on your part. In the back of my mind I left room for that and I thought that I will not in anyway judge you negatively by something that is not meant the way it might have sounded to others. Now I am even more convinced that you are a wise man al-hamdu lillaah. If I had any such thoughts may you also pardon me for that.
Good points about you from me.
1)- You are a seeker after truth and one who is not arrogant.
2)- You have come to many conclusions on matters that appear to be unique to you (all based on the Qur'aan - al-hamdu lillaah).
3)- You like to share knowledge in a humble way without remuneration.
4)- etc.
I came to these conclusion from reading a number of your threads during the past week.Another very important point is that when I read your al-kitaab (the Book) thread that you linked to I was quite surprised. I was amazed how identical the analyses were. I have not seen anyone who went so clearly and correctly into the matter in this day and age as you did. 99%+ of the Muslims of the world have no idea about the Book (al-kitaab). But even this good analyses of yours did not make clear many things. I have not yet started even with the subject. I hope that we could discuss this subject further inshaa allaah. I will start to analyze what you have written and what you have left out. It will be good if you could do that to my presentation.
Debate is healthy and progressive as long as we have free-minds that go with it.
Thank you
May ALLAAH guide all of us inshaa allaah.
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Peace al-amiyr,
Interesting, although I am put off by hadith which I have ignored, the rest is outstanding
Please continue unabated.
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salaam+ hawkninetynine
Thanks! But do not be put off by anything. Just read it! Don't dismiss it. You do not have to believe it if you wish not. The Qur'aan is sufficient to explain the Book (al-kitaab) clearly.
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Salaam mmkhan
I did not find al-amiyr post boring. He is not dragging his post. Actually he is reinforcing his points in a style similar to that of a university lecturer.This is what al-amiyr wrote Re The Qur?aan Cosmological Model - Delineation Of The Current universe.
? Reply #16 on December 07, 2012, 034919 AM ?
I am discussing this subject on other forums as well and I can assure you that it gets the most views wherever it goes. It is a book that I am writing and I make all the info freely available for the world. I am about to present many models of knowledge to the world the like of which has never been seen before. inshaa allaah to everythingBTW have you noticed that I hardly replied to your posts and never took interst in them? I have no idea why they did not attract my attention. No offence but I too feel that your article lack much clarification
Salaamsalaam+ farida (farida in Arabic means the unique and incomparable and singular lady)
Thanks very much for an excellent explanation.
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I hope that these statements of yours are not a preparation for a ban like I have been familiar with before. If it is then let me know and then I will be on my way seeking another world inshaa allaah (if ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD had willed).
Salaam al-amiyr
I think this site has distanced itself from the time they banned anyone who did not express him/her self as expected. Had they continued that practice it would have resulted in finishing off this forum. Instead I feel they have become more liberal and tolerant and allow the freedom of expression and I would give credit to brother Layth for this.
So please continue, as many are eager to learn from you.
Jazakallah kair -
salaam+ brother mmkhan
I am very happy that there was no bad intention on your part. In the back of my mind I left room for that and I thought that I will not in anyway judge you negatively by something that is not meant the way it might have sounded to others. Now I am even more convinced that you are a wise man al-hamdu lillaah. If I had any such thoughts may you also pardon me for that.
Good points about you from me.
1)- You are a seeker after truth and one who is not arrogant.
2)- You have come to many conclusions on matters that appear to be unique to you (all based on the Qur'aan - al-hamdu lillaah).
3)- You like to share knowledge in a humble way without remuneration.
4)- etc.
I came to these conclusion from reading a number of your threads during the past week.Another very important point is that when I read your al-kitaab (the Book) thread that you linked to I was quite surprised. I was amazed how identical the analyses were. I have not seen anyone who went so clearly and correctly into the matter in this day and age as you did. 99%+ of the Muslims of the world have no idea about the Book (al-kitaab). But even this good analyses of yours did not make clear many things. I have not yet started even with the subject. I hope that we could discuss this subject further inshaa allaah. I will start to analyze what you have written and what you have left out. It will be good if you could do that to my presentation.
Debate is healthy and progressive as long as we have free-minds that go with it.
Thank you
May ALLAAH guide all of us inshaa allaah.
Salaam brother,
Thank you for your kind words handshake May Allah bless you pr
I will be happy to know what you have to say, it will be surely an update for me on my understanding of alKitaab, inshaAllah. I will share my understanding if I have anything to say, inshaAllah.
So brother, please share what you have to...Thanks!
Sorry everyone here if you find this delay because of me.. -[
May Allah bless you and fill your life with happiness and peace pr
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salaam
there is absolutely no hidden book.
37 He is the One who sent down to you the Book, from which there are firm revelations; they are the essence of the Book (OMMOU EL KITAB); and others which are .......
1339 God erases and confirms what He wishes, and with Him is the source of the Book (OMMOU EL KITAB).
434 And it is held honorable and wise in the master record (OMMOU EL KITAB) with Us.For GOD, there is only one religion and only one book.
From the original Book, in the only "Hands" of GOD, he extract (confirms or erase) what he want before transmission to a messager.It is why Quran is speaking only of one book (AL KITAB) and never speaks abouts books (AL KOTOB) even if quran "knows" that torah, injeel Quran and other "extractions" constitute different physical books.
Firsts "extractions" have been lost or altered by humans. Last extraction is protected by God himself but will be deserted and misunderstood.
2530 And the messenger said "My Lord, my people have deserted this Qur'an."13-39 was used by sectarians to justify the bullshit science of naskh and mansoukh.
When sectarians says "People of THE BOOK" are jews and christians and not us, they are simply rejecting "THE BOOK".Peace
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salaam
there is absolutely no hidden book.
37 He is the One who sent down to you the Book, from which there are firm revelations; they are the essence of the Book (OMMOU EL KITAB); and others which are .......
1339 God erases and confirms what He wishes, and with Him is the source of the Book (OMMOU EL KITAB).
434 And it is held honorable and wise in the master record (OMMOU EL KITAB) with Us.For GOD, there is only one religion and only one book.
From the original Book, in the only "Hands" of GOD, he extract (confirms or erase) what he want before transmission to a messager.It is why Quran is speaking only of one book (AL KITAB) and never speaks abouts books (AL KOTOB) even if quran "knows" that torah, injeel Quran and other "extractions" constitute different physical books.
Firsts "extractions" have been lost or altered by humans. Last extraction is protected by God himself but will be deserted and misunderstood.
2530 And the messenger said "My Lord, my people have deserted this Qur'an."13-39 was used by sectarians to justify the bullshit science of naskh and mansoukh.
When sectarians says "People of THE BOOK" are jews and christians and not us, they are simply rejecting "THE BOOK".Peace
salaam+
My red emphases in your text that I have quoted.
Surely that is a bold statement to make. What if I show you the Book (al-kitaab).
Let me ask you this very important question.
What do you think is the Book (al-kitaab)? Please clarify this point.056077 - 080.
And truly it is a Noble Qur?aan
in a Hidden Book (kitaab maknuwn).
None touches it except the Purified Ones;
a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds. -
Peace,
When it comes to making such grand claims follow this recipe
1.) GET TO THE POINT AND SAY YOUR POINT DIRECTLY
2.) Now you have all the free time in the world to explain what you actually mean, you can write pages and pages of explanation
I am not surprised at this reception. There is no need to drag on and speak about mysticism. Nobody likes mysticism. Nobody cares about what "hidden" secret you have, when you claim to know something secret others don't know it is exceedingly annoying when you will not then divulge it. It is evil to keep secret any knowledge of God that is beneficial to mankind and this is punishable by hellfire in the more extreme of cases.
This isn't a film, this isn't a fictional novel, you do not need to drum up interest. We do not need to hear an intro drum beat. We are already well interested, that is why we are here. Speak directly and to the point or don't bother posting, plain and simple.
O ye who believe! Guard your duty to Allah, and speak words straight to the point;
Anyway, my understanding of the 'hidden book' is that it is totally contained within the quran. But it is not to say that the quran holds it. Rather, 'al-kitab' is the knowledge you gain access to when you act according to God's commandments, work towards purifying yourself and establishing a state of charity and connection to God. The less of God's commandments you violate, the higher the level of knowledge you access of al-kitab. Your perception is always clouded by the evil deeds you have done so it is on us all to cancel out all the negative karmas we have accumulated so as to see the book of God with truly clear sight.
peace
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salaam+
My red emphases in your text that I have quoted.
Surely that is a bold statement to make. What if I show you the Book (al-kitaab).
Let me ask you this very important question.
What do you think is the Book (al-kitaab)? Please clarify this point.056077 - 080.
And truly it is a Noble Qur?aan
in a Hidden Book (kitaab maknuwn).
None touches it except the Purified Ones;
a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.Salaam al-amiyr
maknun is a word that mean to be covered for protection
that word is applied in 16-81 to mountains we can take as refuge.
56-80 simply means that can KITAB is protected.
However, if you search for a hidden book, then you can consider the original book (ommou el kitab) in possession of GOD from wich quran, torah and others are extracted and given to humans.
That KITAB is in a someway hidden and highly protectedPeace
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Peace,
When it comes to making such grand claims follow this recipe
1.) GET TO THE POINT AND SAY YOUR POINT DIRECTLY
2.) Now you have all the free time in the world to explain what you actually mean, you can write pages and pages of explanation
I am not surprised at this reception. There is no need to drag on and speak about mysticism. Nobody likes mysticism. Nobody cares about what "hidden" secret you have, when you claim to know something secret others don't know it is exceedingly annoying when you will not then divulge it. It is evil to keep secret any knowledge of God that is beneficial to mankind and this is punishable by hellfire in the more extreme of cases.
This isn't a film, this isn't a fictional novel, you do not need to drum up interest. We do not need to hear an intro drum beat. We are already well interested, that is why we are here. Speak directly and to the point or don't bother posting, plain and simple.
O ye who believe! Guard your duty to Allah, and speak words straight to the point;
Anyway, my understanding of the 'hidden book' is that it is totally contained within the quran. But it is not to say that the quran holds it. Rather, 'al-kitab' is the knowledge you gain access to when you act according to God's commandments, work towards purifying yourself and establishing a state of charity and connection to God. The less of God's commandments you violate, the higher the level of knowledge you access of al-kitab. Your perception is always clouded by the evil deeds you have done so it is on us all to cancel out all the negative karmas we have accumulated so as to see the book of God with truly clear sight.
peace
Peace to the nth power
I agree with all the points that you have made that sounds critical of me not that it was meant by you to be critical. On the other hand your understanding of the Book (al-kitaab) is completely your own opinion and it has nothing to do with the Book (al-kitaab). This I will show you and you and all in this forum will also see it. There will be no uncertainty. I have always made it known many years back that I am going to make it known on the internet before December 2012 is out. I have made this known on many forums around the world. Thousands are waiting. Just be a little patient. You have placed this request upon me and therefore I have no option but to fulfill it. If I did not mention it here, then you might not have known about it. I will respond today to all your other points inshaa allaah.
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Peace al-amiyr.
Like all others, I too have been reading your posts. It is sometimes frustrating when someone claims they have something interesting to say but "beat about the bush". So get to the point please.
Please do not get me wrong, I am not being personal, what you want to say may well be good and interesting, so say it.
Also I and many in this forum know that we have a fully detailed book, what you will say will be checked that it agrees and conforms with Qoran, that is how your information will be judged.
So common brother ,finish what you started for us?
Peace.
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Salaam al-amiyr
maknun is a word that mean to be covered for protection
that word is applied in 16-81 to mountains we can take as refuge.
56-80 simply means that can KITAB is protected.
However, if you search for a hidden book, then you can consider the original book (ommou el kitab) in possession of GOD from wich quran, torah and others are extracted and given to humans.
That KITAB is in a someway hidden and highly protectedPeace
Salaam al-amiyr
maknun is a word that mean to be covered for protection
that word is applied in 16-81 to mountains we can take as refuge.
56-80 simply means that can KITAB is protected.
However, if you search for a hidden book, then you can consider the original book (ommou el kitab) in possession of GOD from wich quran, torah and others are extracted and given to humans.
That KITAB is in a someway hidden and highly protectedPeace
wa "alaykumu-sa-salaam my dear brother
You are not wrong but you are not fully correct. The word in the verse(1681) that you have quoted is 'aknaan and not maknuwn.
'aknaan appears once in the Qur'aan (1681)
maknuwn appears four times (3749), (5224),(5623), and(567.
maknuwn as well as 'aknaan is derived from the Arabic verbal root word that means;
1)- he hid
2)- he concealed, covered, cloaked (something)
3)- he sheltered, ensconced, contained (something)
4)- he harbored (a friendship towards)
5)- it calmed down, subsided, abated (wind)'aknaan
1)- places where people are sheltered
2)- covers, shelters, retreats, places of refuge
3)- nest
4)- home, hutmaknuwn
1)- hidden, concealed
2)- well-kept
3)- hidden contentkitaab
1)- a piece of writing, record
2)- letter, note, message
3)- bookSo the qur'aan says;
056077 - 080.
And truly it is a Noble Qur?aan
in a Hidden Book (kitaab maknuwn).
None touches it except the Purified Ones;
a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.a Noble Qur?aan in
1)- hidden/ concealed piece of writing/ record
2)- well-kept piece of writing/ record
3)- hidden (content) piece of writing/ record4)- hidden/ concealed letter, note, message
5)- well-kept letter, note, message
6)- hidden (content) letter, note, message7)- hidden/ concealed book
-)- well-kept book
9)- hidden (content) bookThere you have an idea what the Qur'aan is saying. Inshaa allaah I am making myself ready to show you That Book that is called the Book (al-kitaab). I am already teaching it to many students around the world. Many are at an advanced stage. It has passed through 44 generations of my fore fathers one son after the other and all great scholars of Islaam and the 'itrah (stem) of the family of the prophet Muhammad (S+) through the ages.
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Peace al-amiyr.
Are you claiming there is another book besides "Qoran"?
Peace.
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Peace al-amiyr.
Are you claiming there is another book besides "Qoran"?
Peace.
salaam^ good logic
This is the reason why I have to take my time. Did you not read My introduction brother? Please read it because it is vital that that information must be known. I am preparing my notes which are all complete. I like to discuss on each forum via the mind-set of its main members. Please let me know what was your understanding inshaa allaah. It will be greatly appreciated and beneficial to others as well.
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salaam^ good logic
This is the reason why I have to take my time. Did you not read My introduction brother? Please read it because it is vital that that information must be known. I am preparing my notes which are all complete. I like to discuss on each forum via the mind-set of its main members. Please let me know what was your understanding inshaa allaah. It will be greatly appreciated and beneficial to others as well.
Salaam
In that case, I don't think I would bother with your posts untill December 2012 is out.
Peace -
Salaam
In that case, I don't think I would bother with your posts untill December 2012 is out.
Peacesalaam farida
Why would you want to do that? The Book (al-kitaab) is an interaction between the one who knows and teaches and the one who is learning. It is not something you can point to like any book.
The Kitaab is The Programme based upon The Numbers through which ALLAAH generated The Entire Universe.Containing all the Knowledge including The Qur'aan.
It's name is
ALiF_LaaM_MiyM-Raa'
divided into two parts
called
ALiF_LaaM_MiyM and ALiF_LaaM_Raa'
And this is what you are going to see. And this is what I have been preparing the viewers for. And this is what I hope that they would love to see as most have expressed. I am beginning as from tomorrow. I hope that you will volunteer by answering the questions that I will ask. You do not need to have any prior knowledge. And nothing is complicated. And to everything inshaa allaah.
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A Request
as_salaamu "alaykum
I would like to take the sisters and brothers on the journey into the Book (al-kitaab) tomorrow inshaa allaah. For this I require at least one brother or sister who can confirm after I had asked a question that it had been seen or understood. Let me make it clear that no prior knowledge is required to enter into the Book (al-kitaab). And there is no difficulty of understanding it. See how the Qur'aan unfolds in your own mind to become the whole reality. See what you would never have imagined.
As I said in the opening post, nobody can be told what the Book (al-kitaab) is, you must see it for yourself.
I hope that there is at least one response from someone here who would leave a message to confirm inshaa allaah (if ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD had willed). -
A Request
as_salaamu "alaykum
I would like to take the sisters and brothers on the journey into the Book (al-kitaab) tomorrow inshaa allaah. For this I require at least one brother or sister who can confirm after I had asked a question that it had been seen or understood. Let me make it clear that no prior knowledge is required to enter into the Book (al-kitaab). And there is no difficulty of understanding it. See how the Qur'aan unfolds in your own mind to become the whole reality. See what you would never have imagined.
As I said in the opening post, nobody can be told what the Book (al-kitaab) is, you must see it for yourself.
I hope that there is at least one response from someone here who would leave a message to confirm inshaa allaah (if ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD had willed).Hi al-amiyr
If you think that I can take up the challege let me know. I am willing for this journey that you say you will take us on. I am no dare devil though. But I am very interested in what you have to say.