The Qur'aan and The Hidden Book called The Book (al-kitaab).
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Wa alaikum Salaam al-amiyr,
It seemed to me that you dragged and stretched the topic to the level of boring, half of your original post was just a marketing stuff, it seems that you are gonna sell some books here.
Anyways, are you talking about this? Please take a look, it is with no complications?
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
mmKhan -
Wa alaikum Salaam al-amiyr,
It seemed to me that you dragged and stretched the topic to the level of boring, half of your original post was just a marketing stuff, it seems that you are gonna sell some books here.
Anyways, are you talking about this? Please take a look, it is with no complications?
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
mmKhanwa"alaykumu-s-salaam mmkhan
When I joined the forum you PMed me with a beautiful explanation about the importance etc. of the Qur'aan. After that I read a number of your enlightening posts which I enjoyed. You sounded like a very non judgmental human being and one who has an ear and a patience to listen to another.
But I feel a bit disappointed and I consider it unfair and wrong what you wrote above.
What made you say these unjustified statements
1-"half of your original post was just a marketing stuff"
2-"it seems that you are gonna sell some books here."I have no idea what inspired you to write the above but I am also not surprised. Can you please explain yourself?
Let me set out the matter why I am here. When I arrived here, I introduced myself and my purpose and I quote what I wrote
as-salaamu "alaykum Table Mountain, Cape Town
as-salaamu "alaykum to all the brothers and sisters
I stumbled across your forum as I roamed the Internet Highways. I decided to also take a little rest among its green pastures and flowing rivers and hope to meet its wonderful Qur'anic inhabitants.
I have important subjects of the Qur'aan to discuss with you and hope to hear from you your valuable comments inshaa allaah.
Among them are what I have called The Qur'aan Cosmological Model A delineation of the origin, evolution, and final fate of the current Universe as contained in just two verses of the Qur'aan(spelling fixed).
I am discussing various aspects of it on non Muslim forums and it has always reached the most views. I am also on two other Muslim forums but unfortunately although it reached the most viewed for the month there was non who replied.
I hope there will be some brothers and sisters here who could give any comment for the increase of the knowledge inshaa allaah.wa-"alaykum-us-salaam
As you can see, I have set out my purpose. But you have PMed me and the reason for not replying yet is because of the vastness of the subject that you discussed and my preparation of my reply that is still in the making.
This subject of the Book around the internet world has brought me many friends as well as many enemies and I have classified them as followers
Friends
1- those who had free minds to listen.
2-those who were initially enemies but chose to follow the discussion until its end and were then overwhelmed by what they could never have imagined.Enemies
1- Anti-theists and those who feel threatened that their particular ideologies will collapse in the presence of this knowledge and so they go on a campaign to play the ball and not the man. Then when I take up the ball as well then - like a pact of dogs- they all attack and when that no longer works and more of their people support what I have said then they issue a ban. These are all recorded as every post I make get recorded under the relevant forum name and everything gets placed in my own discussion forum for all to read. I believe in transparency.
2- Owners of forums who feel threatened because more and more posters get involved in my threads and begin to support what I have outlined. This has happened on three forums and another few where no ban was issued yet.
3- On this site there happens to be an enemy who follows me all over the world (after I had a battle with his Atheists friends and allies on their forum where the cursing of God and his prophets are allowed) trying his very best to make people against me. Quoting me at all times out of context. But his strategies have never worked and only brings more attention to what I have to say.' There is no illogical 'stuff' in whatever I present" You yourself did not point out anything wrong with the article like you normally do to others in your normally very friendly an conciliatory tone. When it normally comes to me then all the great Free- thinkers, Liberalists,etc, loose themselves and then also become no different than their very opponents the other radicals and fundamentalists. To me they have all the same mindset- serving the Great ShayTaan as the Qur'aan says.You mentioned,
"It seemed to me that you dragged and stretched the topic to the level of boring,"
You have the right to your opinion but this is what I can tell you and that is that there has never yet been an article in the history of the world that sums up the Book (al-kitaab) in such a brief matter up to the time of the Prophet (S+) with so many details of clarification. Your article that you linked me to was very well written and I enjoyed it very much. It was the best that I have ever read anywhere else. But your article lack much clarification
as well. In the next post I shall go more into this matter.I hope that these statements of yours are not a preparation for a ban like I have been familiar with before. If it is then let me know and then I will be on my way seeking another world inshaa allaah (if ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD had willed).
I will end off with your familiar phrase
May Allah bless you and may He guide us all to His true path
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Wa alaikum Salaam al-amiyr,
It seemed to me that you dragged and stretched the topic to the level of boring,
Anyways, are you talking about this? Please take a look, it is with no complications?May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
mmKhanSalaam mmkhan
I did not find al-amiyr post boring. He is not dragging his post. Actually he is reinforcing his points in a style similar to that of a university lecturer.half of your original post was just a marketing stuff, it seems that you are gonna sell some books here.
This is what al-amiyr wrote Re The Qur?aan Cosmological Model - Delineation Of The Current universe.
? Reply #16 on December 07, 2012, 034919 AM ?
I am discussing this subject on other forums as well and I can assure you that it gets the most views wherever it goes. It is a book that I am writing and I make all the info freely available for the world. I am about to present many models of knowledge to the world the like of which has never been seen before. inshaa allaah to everythingBTW have you noticed that I hardly replied to your posts and never took interst in them? I have no idea why they did not attract my attention. No offence but I too feel that your article lack much clarification
Salaam -
Salaam mmkhan
I did not find al-amiyr post boring. He is not dragging his post. Actually he is reinforcing his points in a style similar to that of a university lecturer.This is what al-amiyr wrote Re The Qur?aan Cosmological Model - Delineation Of The Current universe.
? Reply #16 on December 07, 2012, 034919 AM ?
I am discussing this subject on other forums as well and I can assure you that it gets the most views wherever it goes. It is a book that I am writing and I make all the info freely available for the world. I am about to present many models of knowledge to the world the like of which has never been seen before. inshaa allaah to everythingBTW have you noticed that I hardly replied to your posts and never took interst in them? I have no idea why they did not attract my attention. No offence but I too feel that your article lack much clarification
SalaamHi farida
I agree with you. I think al-amiyr put his point across well. I am still waiting a reply from him to my post. I have lots of questions that I would like to ask concerning this supposedly hidden book.
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I pray to God that al-amiyr will not be put off or annoyed by some members here, and will have the patience and good will to reveal his knowledge to some of us who are eager to learn more about the truth.
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wa"alaykumu-s-salaam mmkhan
When I joined the forum you PMed me with a beautiful explanation about the importance etc. of the Qur'aan. After that I read a number of your enlightening posts which I enjoyed. You sounded like a very non judgmental human being and one who has an ear and a patience to listen to another.
But I feel a bit disappointed and I consider it unfair and wrong what you wrote above.
What made you say these unjustified statements
1-"half of your original post was just a marketing stuff"
2-"it seems that you are gonna sell some books here."I have no idea what inspired you to write the above but I am also not surprised. Can you please explain yourself?
Salaam al-amiyr,
Sorry if you feel it offended, please accept my apologize, I did not meant that way.
Let me explain you why I wrote that... When I start reading it, it gives me same impression that I found on many websites, when I try to find a price of some item which I am interested in, they drag and drag and drag to pages, informing about their product's benefits, how it works, etc. etc... when I am only interested in it's price.
When I try to see what is that hidden book in your post, I feel the same. My first point that you wrote is "half of your original post was just LIKE a marketing stuff", I am sorry that I don't understand how I missed "like" from that line. This continues the second part "it seems that you are gonna sell some books here". Because of the way you write, it seems to me that you are going to sell some books.
I did not meant to blame you in any ways, and believe me, I simply write those lines without any intention. Just by keeping in mind those marketing strategy that I mentioned. Hope I made my point clear, inshaAllah.
You mentioned,
"It seemed to me that you dragged and stretched the topic to the level of boring,"As I explained above, when I was trying to find something and could not able to reach that point, I started feeling bore.
Please take a look at first half of your original post by keeping in mind what I said and you will understand what I am saying inshaAllah.
I personally don't like repeated words in any article, I prefer it to be point by point, anyways, that is my personal choice. Again, I apologize if you feel offended, and I never meant in that way.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
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Salaam al-amiyr,
Sorry if you feel it offended, please accept my apologize, I did not meant that way.
Let me explain you why I wrote that... When I start reading it, it gives me same impression that I found on many websites, when I try to find a price of some item which I am interested in, they drag and drag and drag to pages, informing about their product's benefits, how it works, etc. etc... when I am only interested in it's price.
When I try to see what is that hidden book in your post, I feel the same. My first point that you wrote is "half of your original post was just LIKE a marketing stuff", I am sorry that I don't understand how I missed "like" from that line. This continues the second part "it seems that you are gonna sell some books here". Because of the way you write, it seems to me that you are going to sell some books.
I did not meant to blame you in any ways, and believe me, I simply write those lines without any intention. Just by keeping in mind those marketing strategy that I mentioned. Hope I made my point clear, inshaAllah.
As I explained above, when I was trying to find something and could not able to reach that point, I started feeling bore.Please take a look at first half of your original post by keeping in mind what I said and you will understand what I am saying inshaAllah.
I personally don't like repeated words in any article, I prefer it to be point by point, anyways, that is my personal choice. Again, I apologize if you feel offended, and I never meant in that way.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
mmKhansalaam+ brother mmkhan
I am very happy that there was no bad intention on your part. In the back of my mind I left room for that and I thought that I will not in anyway judge you negatively by something that is not meant the way it might have sounded to others. Now I am even more convinced that you are a wise man al-hamdu lillaah. If I had any such thoughts may you also pardon me for that.
Good points about you from me.
1)- You are a seeker after truth and one who is not arrogant.
2)- You have come to many conclusions on matters that appear to be unique to you (all based on the Qur'aan - al-hamdu lillaah).
3)- You like to share knowledge in a humble way without remuneration.
4)- etc.
I came to these conclusion from reading a number of your threads during the past week.Another very important point is that when I read your al-kitaab (the Book) thread that you linked to I was quite surprised. I was amazed how identical the analyses were. I have not seen anyone who went so clearly and correctly into the matter in this day and age as you did. 99%+ of the Muslims of the world have no idea about the Book (al-kitaab). But even this good analyses of yours did not make clear many things. I have not yet started even with the subject. I hope that we could discuss this subject further inshaa allaah. I will start to analyze what you have written and what you have left out. It will be good if you could do that to my presentation.
Debate is healthy and progressive as long as we have free-minds that go with it.
Thank you
May ALLAAH guide all of us inshaa allaah.
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Peace al-amiyr,
Interesting, although I am put off by hadith which I have ignored, the rest is outstanding
Please continue unabated.
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salaam+ hawkninetynine
Thanks! But do not be put off by anything. Just read it! Don't dismiss it. You do not have to believe it if you wish not. The Qur'aan is sufficient to explain the Book (al-kitaab) clearly.
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Salaam mmkhan
I did not find al-amiyr post boring. He is not dragging his post. Actually he is reinforcing his points in a style similar to that of a university lecturer.This is what al-amiyr wrote Re The Qur?aan Cosmological Model - Delineation Of The Current universe.
? Reply #16 on December 07, 2012, 034919 AM ?
I am discussing this subject on other forums as well and I can assure you that it gets the most views wherever it goes. It is a book that I am writing and I make all the info freely available for the world. I am about to present many models of knowledge to the world the like of which has never been seen before. inshaa allaah to everythingBTW have you noticed that I hardly replied to your posts and never took interst in them? I have no idea why they did not attract my attention. No offence but I too feel that your article lack much clarification
Salaamsalaam+ farida (farida in Arabic means the unique and incomparable and singular lady)
Thanks very much for an excellent explanation.
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I hope that these statements of yours are not a preparation for a ban like I have been familiar with before. If it is then let me know and then I will be on my way seeking another world inshaa allaah (if ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD had willed).
Salaam al-amiyr
I think this site has distanced itself from the time they banned anyone who did not express him/her self as expected. Had they continued that practice it would have resulted in finishing off this forum. Instead I feel they have become more liberal and tolerant and allow the freedom of expression and I would give credit to brother Layth for this.
So please continue, as many are eager to learn from you.
Jazakallah kair -
salaam+ brother mmkhan
I am very happy that there was no bad intention on your part. In the back of my mind I left room for that and I thought that I will not in anyway judge you negatively by something that is not meant the way it might have sounded to others. Now I am even more convinced that you are a wise man al-hamdu lillaah. If I had any such thoughts may you also pardon me for that.
Good points about you from me.
1)- You are a seeker after truth and one who is not arrogant.
2)- You have come to many conclusions on matters that appear to be unique to you (all based on the Qur'aan - al-hamdu lillaah).
3)- You like to share knowledge in a humble way without remuneration.
4)- etc.
I came to these conclusion from reading a number of your threads during the past week.Another very important point is that when I read your al-kitaab (the Book) thread that you linked to I was quite surprised. I was amazed how identical the analyses were. I have not seen anyone who went so clearly and correctly into the matter in this day and age as you did. 99%+ of the Muslims of the world have no idea about the Book (al-kitaab). But even this good analyses of yours did not make clear many things. I have not yet started even with the subject. I hope that we could discuss this subject further inshaa allaah. I will start to analyze what you have written and what you have left out. It will be good if you could do that to my presentation.
Debate is healthy and progressive as long as we have free-minds that go with it.
Thank you
May ALLAAH guide all of us inshaa allaah.
Salaam brother,
Thank you for your kind words handshake May Allah bless you pr
I will be happy to know what you have to say, it will be surely an update for me on my understanding of alKitaab, inshaAllah. I will share my understanding if I have anything to say, inshaAllah.
So brother, please share what you have to...Thanks!
Sorry everyone here if you find this delay because of me.. -[
May Allah bless you and fill your life with happiness and peace pr
mmKhan -
salaam
there is absolutely no hidden book.
37 He is the One who sent down to you the Book, from which there are firm revelations; they are the essence of the Book (OMMOU EL KITAB); and others which are .......
1339 God erases and confirms what He wishes, and with Him is the source of the Book (OMMOU EL KITAB).
434 And it is held honorable and wise in the master record (OMMOU EL KITAB) with Us.For GOD, there is only one religion and only one book.
From the original Book, in the only "Hands" of GOD, he extract (confirms or erase) what he want before transmission to a messager.It is why Quran is speaking only of one book (AL KITAB) and never speaks abouts books (AL KOTOB) even if quran "knows" that torah, injeel Quran and other "extractions" constitute different physical books.
Firsts "extractions" have been lost or altered by humans. Last extraction is protected by God himself but will be deserted and misunderstood.
2530 And the messenger said "My Lord, my people have deserted this Qur'an."13-39 was used by sectarians to justify the bullshit science of naskh and mansoukh.
When sectarians says "People of THE BOOK" are jews and christians and not us, they are simply rejecting "THE BOOK".Peace
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salaam
there is absolutely no hidden book.
37 He is the One who sent down to you the Book, from which there are firm revelations; they are the essence of the Book (OMMOU EL KITAB); and others which are .......
1339 God erases and confirms what He wishes, and with Him is the source of the Book (OMMOU EL KITAB).
434 And it is held honorable and wise in the master record (OMMOU EL KITAB) with Us.For GOD, there is only one religion and only one book.
From the original Book, in the only "Hands" of GOD, he extract (confirms or erase) what he want before transmission to a messager.It is why Quran is speaking only of one book (AL KITAB) and never speaks abouts books (AL KOTOB) even if quran "knows" that torah, injeel Quran and other "extractions" constitute different physical books.
Firsts "extractions" have been lost or altered by humans. Last extraction is protected by God himself but will be deserted and misunderstood.
2530 And the messenger said "My Lord, my people have deserted this Qur'an."13-39 was used by sectarians to justify the bullshit science of naskh and mansoukh.
When sectarians says "People of THE BOOK" are jews and christians and not us, they are simply rejecting "THE BOOK".Peace
salaam+
My red emphases in your text that I have quoted.
Surely that is a bold statement to make. What if I show you the Book (al-kitaab).
Let me ask you this very important question.
What do you think is the Book (al-kitaab)? Please clarify this point.056077 - 080.
And truly it is a Noble Qur?aan
in a Hidden Book (kitaab maknuwn).
None touches it except the Purified Ones;
a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds. -
Peace,
When it comes to making such grand claims follow this recipe
1.) GET TO THE POINT AND SAY YOUR POINT DIRECTLY
2.) Now you have all the free time in the world to explain what you actually mean, you can write pages and pages of explanation
I am not surprised at this reception. There is no need to drag on and speak about mysticism. Nobody likes mysticism. Nobody cares about what "hidden" secret you have, when you claim to know something secret others don't know it is exceedingly annoying when you will not then divulge it. It is evil to keep secret any knowledge of God that is beneficial to mankind and this is punishable by hellfire in the more extreme of cases.
This isn't a film, this isn't a fictional novel, you do not need to drum up interest. We do not need to hear an intro drum beat. We are already well interested, that is why we are here. Speak directly and to the point or don't bother posting, plain and simple.
O ye who believe! Guard your duty to Allah, and speak words straight to the point;
Anyway, my understanding of the 'hidden book' is that it is totally contained within the quran. But it is not to say that the quran holds it. Rather, 'al-kitab' is the knowledge you gain access to when you act according to God's commandments, work towards purifying yourself and establishing a state of charity and connection to God. The less of God's commandments you violate, the higher the level of knowledge you access of al-kitab. Your perception is always clouded by the evil deeds you have done so it is on us all to cancel out all the negative karmas we have accumulated so as to see the book of God with truly clear sight.
peace
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salaam+
My red emphases in your text that I have quoted.
Surely that is a bold statement to make. What if I show you the Book (al-kitaab).
Let me ask you this very important question.
What do you think is the Book (al-kitaab)? Please clarify this point.056077 - 080.
And truly it is a Noble Qur?aan
in a Hidden Book (kitaab maknuwn).
None touches it except the Purified Ones;
a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.Salaam al-amiyr
maknun is a word that mean to be covered for protection
that word is applied in 16-81 to mountains we can take as refuge.
56-80 simply means that can KITAB is protected.
However, if you search for a hidden book, then you can consider the original book (ommou el kitab) in possession of GOD from wich quran, torah and others are extracted and given to humans.
That KITAB is in a someway hidden and highly protectedPeace
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Peace,
When it comes to making such grand claims follow this recipe
1.) GET TO THE POINT AND SAY YOUR POINT DIRECTLY
2.) Now you have all the free time in the world to explain what you actually mean, you can write pages and pages of explanation
I am not surprised at this reception. There is no need to drag on and speak about mysticism. Nobody likes mysticism. Nobody cares about what "hidden" secret you have, when you claim to know something secret others don't know it is exceedingly annoying when you will not then divulge it. It is evil to keep secret any knowledge of God that is beneficial to mankind and this is punishable by hellfire in the more extreme of cases.
This isn't a film, this isn't a fictional novel, you do not need to drum up interest. We do not need to hear an intro drum beat. We are already well interested, that is why we are here. Speak directly and to the point or don't bother posting, plain and simple.
O ye who believe! Guard your duty to Allah, and speak words straight to the point;
Anyway, my understanding of the 'hidden book' is that it is totally contained within the quran. But it is not to say that the quran holds it. Rather, 'al-kitab' is the knowledge you gain access to when you act according to God's commandments, work towards purifying yourself and establishing a state of charity and connection to God. The less of God's commandments you violate, the higher the level of knowledge you access of al-kitab. Your perception is always clouded by the evil deeds you have done so it is on us all to cancel out all the negative karmas we have accumulated so as to see the book of God with truly clear sight.
peace
Peace to the nth power
I agree with all the points that you have made that sounds critical of me not that it was meant by you to be critical. On the other hand your understanding of the Book (al-kitaab) is completely your own opinion and it has nothing to do with the Book (al-kitaab). This I will show you and you and all in this forum will also see it. There will be no uncertainty. I have always made it known many years back that I am going to make it known on the internet before December 2012 is out. I have made this known on many forums around the world. Thousands are waiting. Just be a little patient. You have placed this request upon me and therefore I have no option but to fulfill it. If I did not mention it here, then you might not have known about it. I will respond today to all your other points inshaa allaah.
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Peace al-amiyr.
Like all others, I too have been reading your posts. It is sometimes frustrating when someone claims they have something interesting to say but "beat about the bush". So get to the point please.
Please do not get me wrong, I am not being personal, what you want to say may well be good and interesting, so say it.
Also I and many in this forum know that we have a fully detailed book, what you will say will be checked that it agrees and conforms with Qoran, that is how your information will be judged.
So common brother ,finish what you started for us?
Peace.
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Salaam al-amiyr
maknun is a word that mean to be covered for protection
that word is applied in 16-81 to mountains we can take as refuge.
56-80 simply means that can KITAB is protected.
However, if you search for a hidden book, then you can consider the original book (ommou el kitab) in possession of GOD from wich quran, torah and others are extracted and given to humans.
That KITAB is in a someway hidden and highly protectedPeace
Salaam al-amiyr
maknun is a word that mean to be covered for protection
that word is applied in 16-81 to mountains we can take as refuge.
56-80 simply means that can KITAB is protected.
However, if you search for a hidden book, then you can consider the original book (ommou el kitab) in possession of GOD from wich quran, torah and others are extracted and given to humans.
That KITAB is in a someway hidden and highly protectedPeace
wa "alaykumu-sa-salaam my dear brother
You are not wrong but you are not fully correct. The word in the verse(1681) that you have quoted is 'aknaan and not maknuwn.
'aknaan appears once in the Qur'aan (1681)
maknuwn appears four times (3749), (5224),(5623), and(567.
maknuwn as well as 'aknaan is derived from the Arabic verbal root word that means;
1)- he hid
2)- he concealed, covered, cloaked (something)
3)- he sheltered, ensconced, contained (something)
4)- he harbored (a friendship towards)
5)- it calmed down, subsided, abated (wind)'aknaan
1)- places where people are sheltered
2)- covers, shelters, retreats, places of refuge
3)- nest
4)- home, hutmaknuwn
1)- hidden, concealed
2)- well-kept
3)- hidden contentkitaab
1)- a piece of writing, record
2)- letter, note, message
3)- bookSo the qur'aan says;
056077 - 080.
And truly it is a Noble Qur?aan
in a Hidden Book (kitaab maknuwn).
None touches it except the Purified Ones;
a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.a Noble Qur?aan in
1)- hidden/ concealed piece of writing/ record
2)- well-kept piece of writing/ record
3)- hidden (content) piece of writing/ record4)- hidden/ concealed letter, note, message
5)- well-kept letter, note, message
6)- hidden (content) letter, note, message7)- hidden/ concealed book
-)- well-kept book
9)- hidden (content) bookThere you have an idea what the Qur'aan is saying. Inshaa allaah I am making myself ready to show you That Book that is called the Book (al-kitaab). I am already teaching it to many students around the world. Many are at an advanced stage. It has passed through 44 generations of my fore fathers one son after the other and all great scholars of Islaam and the 'itrah (stem) of the family of the prophet Muhammad (S+) through the ages.