The White race are Jinn?
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Salamun alaykum.
I recently had a debate with a brother on Jinn. He is of the understanding that Jinn are Human they interbred with the children of Adam (who are pure black) and hey presto! You get white people. Any thoughts would be most welcome. -
Here is the understanding on why some people believe that Jinn are Humans beings.
And what stopped the people from believing when the guidance came to them, except that they said "Has God sent a human (BASHIR) messenger?" 1794
Say "If the earth had angels walking about in security, We would have sent down to them from the heaven an angel as a messenger." 1795
So if Human (Bashir) messenger goes to Human only, then why were Jinn following the Torah before Quran as mentioned in verse 4630?
Jinn said
They said O our people, we have heard a Book that was sent down after Moses, authenticating what is between his hands. It guides to the truth; and to a straight path. 4630
Say, "It has been revealed to me that a group of the jinn listened and said, ?Indeed, we have heard an amazing Qur?an. 721
It guides to the right course, and we have believed in it. And we will never associate with our Lord anyone. 721
COMMUNITY OF JINN AND INS
And, the Day when He will gather them together , "O community (ma?shar) of JINN, you have many of INS." And their allies among INS will say, "Our Lord, some of us made use of others, and we have reached our term, which you appointed for us." He will say, "The Fire is your residence, wherein you will abide eternally, except for what Allah wills. Indeed, your Lord is Wise and Knowing." 6128
And thus will We make some of the wrongdoers allies of others for what they used to earn. 6129
"O community (ma?shar) of JINN and INS, did there not come to you messengers from among you, relating to you My verses and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?"
They will say, "We bear witness against ourselves"; and the worldly life had deluded them, and they will bear witness against themselves that they were disbelievers. 6130
O community (ma?shar) of JINN and INS, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority . 5533
SIMILARITY BETWEEN INS AND JINN (HEARTS, EYES AND EARS)
And We have certainly created for Hell many of the JINN and INS. They have hearts with which they do not understand, they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear. Those are like livestock; rather, they are more astray. It is they who are the heedless. 7179
MEN FROM INS AND JINN
And there were men from INS who sought refuge in men from the JINN, so they increased them in burden. 726
HOW WERE THE INVISIBLE JINNS BOUND IN THE SHACKLES?
And the devils - every builder and diver 3837
And others bound together in shackles. 3838
Al Jinn is simply the title given to the race of men who descended from Iblis by Allah. Al Jinn as it is found in Qur'an is simply the antithesis to Al Insan which is the Allah given name of the bloodline of Adam.
Two races of men are identified by Allah in Qur'an. One is Al Insan or the bloodline descendants of Adam and the other is Al Jinn or the bloodline descendants of Iblis. Adam was the father of a black race while Iblis may have been the father of a white race.
Al Jinn as described in Qur'an are merely a race of men on Earth who are descended from their first father Iblis.
Al-Hijr 1526 And indeed, We created man from sounding (dried) clay of altered black smooth mud. 27. And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire. 28. And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels "I am going to create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.
They explain this verse to be speaking allegorically.
(This verse says that Allah created Jinn aforetime. They cannot be Human beings.)Adam his wife and Iblees are told to go down on earth as enemies of one another.
" We said, "ih'bi (Go down from it, all of you). Some of you aduwwun (as enemy) to the other in the earth is a dwelling place and a provision for a period." Sura 2/36
"We said, "ih'bi (Go down from it, all of you). And when guidance comes to you from Me, whoever follows My guidance - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve." Sura 2/38
"Allah then told them, "ih'bi (Get down from it) jaman (all); you are each other's aduwwun (enemies). When My guidance comes to you, those who follow it will not go astray nor will they endure any misery." Sura 20/123
==> Allah then told them, "ih'bi (Get down from it) jaman (all); you are each other's aduwwun (enemies)
Key operative "ih'bi (Get down from it) jaman (all)
Now examine the key Arabic words, which makes it clear beyond doubt that Adam, his wife, Iblis and Shayatin (Devils)l were cast down to the planet earth
Their belief is that jinn are basharan (human beings) and so are l-insna (Adamites)
Now to where I have a problem with this understanding
The Quran also mentions that Muhammad was sent as a prophet to both "humanity and the jinn," and that prophets and messengers were sent to both communities.
217 And We sent not before you, , except men to whom We revealed , so ask the people of the message if you do not know.
Now to say that this is proof that Jinn are Humans is a farfetched conclusion. An apple falls on the ground the earth shifted a little bit, therefore it's now moving towards the sun. WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!
Based upon this, it is clear that the Messengers to the jinn were from among humans. Rather they used to listen to the human Messenger and they, in turn, convey what they hear from him to their own people as understood from the Qur?anic verses. What matters here is that they are accountable (like humans) whether the Messenger was from the jinn or humans.?
Interestingly, other passages state that Allah sent spirit messengers appearing as men to certain individuals4913 O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).
I do not agree with the understanding that Jinn are Human or that the white race are descendants of Iblees.
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And from His signs is the creation of the heavens and the Earth, and the difference of your languages and your colors. In that are signs for the world.
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And from the people, and the animals, and the livestock, are various colors. As such, only the knowledgeable among God?s servants reverence Him. God is Noble, Forgiving.
Allah tells us that it was He who is responsible for our different appearances and not Iblis interbreeding. Infact if we take a closer look at the Geneology of Skin Pigmentation. The white race came much later on as the pigmentation lightening effect was apparently a gradual process, as populations started expanding to low UV radiation latitudes. You can also have white offspring with two black people. It is called a mutation...
It doesn't make sense at all from any scientific perspective.This smacks inferiority complex. The apartheid was an event that occurred in a fixed time period. There is no justification for taking up this "black are the superior race since we descended from Adam" ideology.
The two are causally linked...Humans have gene pools.
That would include Adam and Eve.
And it becomes even more complicated looking at the DNA of the millions of spermatozoa and the different eggs. It's completely stochastic.
I mean, there are 13 genes which control eye colour alone...
I can understand that Jinn and humans are on the earth. No problems with that.
What we know of Jinn is that;They see us but we don't see them.
727 O ye Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you, in the same manner as He got your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their raiment, to expose their shame for he and his tribe watch you from a position where ye cannot see them We made the evil ones friends (only) to those without faith.They are made scorching fire.
1527 And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind.They can travel to the lower heavens.
728-9They mislead The Children of Adam.
722 So by deceit he brought about their fall when they tasted of the tree, their shame became manifest to them, and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. And their Lord called unto them "Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy unto you?"As to whether they are human or not, I don't think there is enough evidence to show this. So why try to assign a species to them when we don't have enough information to do so? They could be on a different dimension. They could be invisible in some other way. I don't define exact values since I can't know. It is like asking; "how long is a piece of string?"
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to whether they are human or not, I don't think there is enough evidence to show this. So why try to assign a species to them when we don't have enough information to do so? They could be on a different dimension. They could be invisible in some other way. I don't define exact values since I can't know. It is like asking; "how long is a piece of string?" )
Recall that we directed a number of jinns to you, in order to let them hear the Quran. When they got there, they said, "Listen." As soon as it was over, they rushed to their (qawmihim) people, warning
Peace
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Salam
I'm agree with Scrappy-doo
I think at this illogical theory if jinn are also people, but foreign / hidden / primitive (?) tribes, they would also have been created by (black) clay.
God gives us, however, the indication that they were created in advance and not of the same material.
Although we see this as an allegory, the theory of blacks and whites is not logical.
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If they are in Human Form, my question would be? Do they know they are jinn? Or have they lost that ability? I don't buy into the race argument, it only leads to divisions, when we are supposed to be united. peace
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Salamun alaykum.
I recently had a debate with a brother on Jinn. He is of the understanding that Jinn are Human they interbred with the children of Adam (who are pure black) and hey presto! You get white people. Any thoughts would be most welcome.How does a being made of scorching wind/smokeless fire interbreed with men of clay/matter?
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Jaann (plural of jinn) can be anything, it is not a kind it is a charactristic which can have anything. It means "concelaed", concealed ones. It can be people, it can be phenomena, it can spirits, whatever, but they are concealed.
Iblees was made of fire, but not necessarily other jaann are made of fire, They are just concealed.
Salaam
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I recently had a debate with a brother on Jinn. He is of the understanding that Jinn are Human they interbred with the children of Adam (who are pure black) and hey presto! You get white people. Any thoughts would be most welcome. )
Nice raw material for "Black Supremacist" propaganda..
Black uber alles, black is the pure race, white is a tainted race which justify it's elimination.. and so does yellow, brown and other color..Having said that, the above might have some truth to it...
The varieties of modern sapiens genes (not only skin shade) are the results of cross breeding with other humanoid.. we now know at least three; Neanderthal, Denisovans and the third sub-species which we haven't managed to find any fossil of... But it doesn't really stroke well with division on purely skin color..Some example Native Australians (Dark skinned) = Neanderthal + Denisovans + Sapiens
Polynesian + Asian (some are dark and some are light skinned) = Neanderthal + Denisovans + Sapiens
Caucasian (Light skinned) = Neanderthal + Sapiens
Sub Saharan African = Sapiens -
Iblees was made of fire, but not necessarily other jaann are made of fire, They are just concealed.
Salaam
fire is a metaphor of something have a form of energy(heat, steam, atom, hydrogen,solar energy,electricity,gas) ... in 7th century the fire was the only availaible form of energy ... so it was considered as fire(energy) beings ...
the fire what we create and the energy what they have not similar as we know the fire always have smoke...
God created the jinn with smokeless flame of fire itself give a hint that these are beings created from self energised stuff which make possible for them to flight through the skies...a human being is created from dust(clay) he can generate energy not by his own but by the help of existed energy at earth.. then he can also penetrate the boundaries of heaven and earth by making a fueling rocket...
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Huruf,
For your information, the human does produce heat within its own body through a phenomenon which is a kind of geothermal heating, homeostasis . It is not strong, but will work while the external temperature is roughly between 15 to the body's own temperature without extra clothing or overheat protection. Many other animals have such as fur to isolate body heat instead of just fat while some animals cannot produce heat on their own such as reptiles.
And in my world the jinn is just a component of us humans, the bodily, or encasing or outer layer. Body is a valid lexical and etymological definition from sources I have browsed. I would not believe in such as supernatural beings called jinns. Satan is of the bodily, simple as that. It is that which draws us to this world to indulge.
Angela are something else, they have no material composition but are Ethereal. Would be incorrect to give them physical attributes. Nowhere does it say angels are jinns, but this is a human assumption based on that Satan is of the jinn and he is claimed to be a fallen angel. This is however nowhere to be read about even in the sectarian interpretation of Quran. Satan is of the jinn, but it does not have anything to do with the Maleika. They are above the jinn.
Jinn can also be a derogatory term to refer to a worldly human, a profoundly bodily person who enjoys what the world has to offer in their illusion and cannot think beyond it.
Be well
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fire is a metaphor
I agree fire is a metaphor for the jinn type personality, i.e., intensity,
ambition, leadership, hatred, narcissism, racism etc., and mud/clay is a metaphor for
Malleability, those who can be shaped, led, the followers, supporters,
and adherents.38/76 He said, "I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay."
Iblis is/was the original racist, supremacists, because he believes/believed he is better than
those made of mud/clay. Which leads us to the present day debate of oligarchs, race and
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So if I'm between white and grey skinned, what does that make me? Also, I eat a lot of carrot, so I became orange. Does that make me human or jinn or non?
Thanks for help.
Salam handshake
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Is that a human or jinn?
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so I became orange. Does that make me human or jinn or non?
metaphorically you are mirinda jinny ...
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fire is a metaphor of something have a form of energy(heat, steam, atom, hydrogen,solar energy,electricity,gas) ... in 7th century the fire was the only availaible form of energy ... so it was considered as fire(energy) beings ...
the fire what we create and the energy what they have not similar as we know the fire always have smoke...
God created the jinn with smokeless flame of fire itself give a hint that these are beings created from self energised stuff which make possible for them to flight through the skies...a human being is created from dust(clay) he can generate energy not by his own but by the help of existed energy at earth.. then he can also penetrate the boundaries of heaven and earth by making a fueling rocket...
Oh, thank you all that have made me aware that fire is a metaphore, I would never have guessed, just as who would have guessed that mud or earth or whatever could also be a metaphore. It is nice that people feel so absolutely sure about things like that.
But the question is that metaphore or not metaphore Iblees is just a case of being jinn, not the only possibility that there be jaann and that as far as I can verify all identifications of jinn as this or that that you are doing and whether metaphore or not are conjecture.
Salaam