The White race are Jinn?
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to whether they are human or not, I don't think there is enough evidence to show this. So why try to assign a species to them when we don't have enough information to do so? They could be on a different dimension. They could be invisible in some other way. I don't define exact values since I can't know. It is like asking; "how long is a piece of string?" )
Recall that we directed a number of jinns to you, in order to let them hear the Quran. When they got there, they said, "Listen." As soon as it was over, they rushed to their (qawmihim) people, warning
Peace
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Salam
I'm agree with Scrappy-doo
I think at this illogical theory if jinn are also people, but foreign / hidden / primitive (?) tribes, they would also have been created by (black) clay.
God gives us, however, the indication that they were created in advance and not of the same material.
Although we see this as an allegory, the theory of blacks and whites is not logical.
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If they are in Human Form, my question would be? Do they know they are jinn? Or have they lost that ability? I don't buy into the race argument, it only leads to divisions, when we are supposed to be united. peace
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Salamun alaykum.
I recently had a debate with a brother on Jinn. He is of the understanding that Jinn are Human they interbred with the children of Adam (who are pure black) and hey presto! You get white people. Any thoughts would be most welcome.How does a being made of scorching wind/smokeless fire interbreed with men of clay/matter?
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Jaann (plural of jinn) can be anything, it is not a kind it is a charactristic which can have anything. It means "concelaed", concealed ones. It can be people, it can be phenomena, it can spirits, whatever, but they are concealed.
Iblees was made of fire, but not necessarily other jaann are made of fire, They are just concealed.
Salaam
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I recently had a debate with a brother on Jinn. He is of the understanding that Jinn are Human they interbred with the children of Adam (who are pure black) and hey presto! You get white people. Any thoughts would be most welcome. )
Nice raw material for "Black Supremacist" propaganda..
Black uber alles, black is the pure race, white is a tainted race which justify it's elimination.. and so does yellow, brown and other color..Having said that, the above might have some truth to it...
The varieties of modern sapiens genes (not only skin shade) are the results of cross breeding with other humanoid.. we now know at least three; Neanderthal, Denisovans and the third sub-species which we haven't managed to find any fossil of... But it doesn't really stroke well with division on purely skin color..Some example Native Australians (Dark skinned) = Neanderthal + Denisovans + Sapiens
Polynesian + Asian (some are dark and some are light skinned) = Neanderthal + Denisovans + Sapiens
Caucasian (Light skinned) = Neanderthal + Sapiens
Sub Saharan African = Sapiens -
Iblees was made of fire, but not necessarily other jaann are made of fire, They are just concealed.
Salaam
fire is a metaphor of something have a form of energy(heat, steam, atom, hydrogen,solar energy,electricity,gas) ... in 7th century the fire was the only availaible form of energy ... so it was considered as fire(energy) beings ...
the fire what we create and the energy what they have not similar as we know the fire always have smoke...
God created the jinn with smokeless flame of fire itself give a hint that these are beings created from self energised stuff which make possible for them to flight through the skies...a human being is created from dust(clay) he can generate energy not by his own but by the help of existed energy at earth.. then he can also penetrate the boundaries of heaven and earth by making a fueling rocket...
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Huruf,
For your information, the human does produce heat within its own body through a phenomenon which is a kind of geothermal heating, homeostasis . It is not strong, but will work while the external temperature is roughly between 15 to the body's own temperature without extra clothing or overheat protection. Many other animals have such as fur to isolate body heat instead of just fat while some animals cannot produce heat on their own such as reptiles.
And in my world the jinn is just a component of us humans, the bodily, or encasing or outer layer. Body is a valid lexical and etymological definition from sources I have browsed. I would not believe in such as supernatural beings called jinns. Satan is of the bodily, simple as that. It is that which draws us to this world to indulge.
Angela are something else, they have no material composition but are Ethereal. Would be incorrect to give them physical attributes. Nowhere does it say angels are jinns, but this is a human assumption based on that Satan is of the jinn and he is claimed to be a fallen angel. This is however nowhere to be read about even in the sectarian interpretation of Quran. Satan is of the jinn, but it does not have anything to do with the Maleika. They are above the jinn.
Jinn can also be a derogatory term to refer to a worldly human, a profoundly bodily person who enjoys what the world has to offer in their illusion and cannot think beyond it.
Be well
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fire is a metaphor
I agree fire is a metaphor for the jinn type personality, i.e., intensity,
ambition, leadership, hatred, narcissism, racism etc., and mud/clay is a metaphor for
Malleability, those who can be shaped, led, the followers, supporters,
and adherents.38/76 He said, "I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay."
Iblis is/was the original racist, supremacists, because he believes/believed he is better than
those made of mud/clay. Which leads us to the present day debate of oligarchs, race and
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So if I'm between white and grey skinned, what does that make me? Also, I eat a lot of carrot, so I became orange. Does that make me human or jinn or non?
Thanks for help.
Salam handshake
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Is that a human or jinn?
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so I became orange. Does that make me human or jinn or non?
metaphorically you are mirinda jinny ...
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fire is a metaphor of something have a form of energy(heat, steam, atom, hydrogen,solar energy,electricity,gas) ... in 7th century the fire was the only availaible form of energy ... so it was considered as fire(energy) beings ...
the fire what we create and the energy what they have not similar as we know the fire always have smoke...
God created the jinn with smokeless flame of fire itself give a hint that these are beings created from self energised stuff which make possible for them to flight through the skies...a human being is created from dust(clay) he can generate energy not by his own but by the help of existed energy at earth.. then he can also penetrate the boundaries of heaven and earth by making a fueling rocket...
Oh, thank you all that have made me aware that fire is a metaphore, I would never have guessed, just as who would have guessed that mud or earth or whatever could also be a metaphore. It is nice that people feel so absolutely sure about things like that.
But the question is that metaphore or not metaphore Iblees is just a case of being jinn, not the only possibility that there be jaann and that as far as I can verify all identifications of jinn as this or that that you are doing and whether metaphore or not are conjecture.
Salaam
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Fire is not a metaphor. When it's written fire, literally, it's fire. So if it's said the rejecters will burn, then they will burn.
If we use Quran, I'm sure we will understand what the Jinn are, without using metaphores.
Salam
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Oh, thank you all that have made me aware that fire is a metaphore, I would never have guessed, just as who would have guessed that mud or earth or whatever could also be a metaphore. It is nice that people feel so absolutely sure about things like that.
But the question is that metaphore or not metaphore Iblees is just a case of being jinn, not the only possibility that there be jaann and that as far as I can verify all identifications of jinn as this or that that you are doing and whether metaphore or not are conjecture.
Salaam
i m not talking about ibless.. i m talking about the beings other than humans...
yeh i wanted to make you aware about one more thing... about humans.. interestingly and fortunately you have labotratory in which you can experiment the human particles with the particles of earth and you will find out both have same properties... so its not a methaphor...
about jinns/invisible beings/energy beings/smoklessfire beings you cannot do experiment on them ,well when you do one let me know what you have find in them . properties of fire , or an action to a reaction that cause a form of energy like wood catch a fire by a reaction.. ! but make sure one thing find a kind of fire in which reaction will not cause a smoke otherwise its discarded ... so let me guess niether you will manage to find/understand the smokeless fire nor you will b able to do experiment on any jinny... you are blocked from both sides ..
so fire here is perfectly a methphor... but human and the addressed particle is not methphor... u can always test it... yeah
so as far i think the fire is a methphor or the availaible form of energy at that time so God use that word to make some people understand... people need to understannd what is the defination of methphor...
when u cant see anything then language borrow a word to make you understand ... hence fire methphor perfectly fit with jinns...
if the electricity or plasma were discovered at the time of revelation then probably God make you understand by a methaphor plasma... or electric beings rotfl
ahh i have another understanding according to your point of view... the concealed things are jinns... so gravity vaccum, kinetic energy ,potential energy, magnetic field all are also a form/kind of jinnies... unfortunately all these things were also not discovered at the time of revelation so God missed to use that word too....
But the author of quran is very intelligent he use the easy language for people to understand ...
same like in general language we use ladies and genetleman... instead of using ladies ,genetleman and transgenders...
does it mean transgender dosent exist or God was unaware about the third sex... nope