Questions about al-amiyr
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Al-Amiyr,
Thank you for your post.
I know what your intentions are. I cannot reach the end point till some things are clear to me from the start and along the way. Keep in mind that you are presenting information to the public where your audiences are coming from all walks if life, different background, at different stages in their faith and evoluation towards God. As you have lectured this knowldge for years, i am sure you have much experience dealing with students at different levels.
You are presenting information that I have never heard of before and goes against everything that I know of to be the truth. In order for me to get to where you want me to be, I need some clarifications. Also keep in mind that you are talking to a non-hadith follower.
Ok so this knowledge is not in book form. I think that I get that. But I don't think that you are getting me, al-Amiyr. Your lessons are in a written format. You are writing it down and posting it. You are not teaching me this lesson orally. You have posted it in other forums. You said you have written articles published in local newspaper. Do you understand what I am saying now? You are communicating to us of this knowledge in written format. You are teaching us of this knowledge in a written medium.
And that is what I was asking. Just as you are doing now, did your dad teach you this knowledge in written form or was it verbal? Now going back to the beginning, did prophet Muhammed teach this knowledge which I understand is not in book form but did he teach this knowledge to his grandson like you have been doing or did he teach it orally? That is all i am asking.
I hope that we are now in the same page. I think that I am asking some simple questions which doesn't really involve substantiating. Ok - if I tell my mom what I am learning from you, she is going to ask me who you are and a whole bunch of questions.
You said that you have given lectures for years. Where? Are you a professor? What kind of professor? What is your profession? Educational background? you seem very highly intelligent.
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If you go back to our previous correspondence you will see that you did not speak to me in a proper manner and therefore I have responded accordingly. I have never maligned anybody on this forum in any way. I just try and do my own thing. But I also do not think that it is right for people to take me out of context and put over an incorrect impression.
I think that both of us can have intelligent discussion on both our terms. what do you think of that?shukran and salaam
i would appreciate it if you would let me know how you would want me to speak to you. What would you consider to be a proper way of speaking to you? Can you let me know how i spoke to you before so that I won't speak to you like that again. I think that we have had a break through here - don't you agree? To avoid set backs, I think it would be best if you could let me know what is proper way for me to speak. Thanks.
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Nice post @Man of Faith.
I agree, it is still quite obscure... eventually we'll see some kind of result?
As I wrote once in the thread to @al-amyir, I hope he is not spreading some kind of mysticism, for me mysticism is creating problems where they do not exist, and honesty is solving problems where they do exist... )I guess we all need to be patient.
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i would appreciate it if you would let me know how you would want me to speak to you. What would you consider to be a proper way of speaking to you? Can you let me know how i spoke to you before so that I won't speak to you like that again. I think that we have had a break through here - don't you agree? To avoid set backs, I think it would be best if you could let me know what is proper way for me to speak. Thanks.
Thank you justmuslim
The way you speak now I consider perfect communication. Nothing more is expected. This way we can all correspond effectively without adding what is unnecessary. I agree fully with what you have said above. I will get back to all your questions as I am more eager to speak about it than you would like to hear. I am working on post 15 and it will be easy. Remember I have a deadline that I must fulfill and there are many who are waiting but I will give everyday one or two answers inshaa allaah. Let me hear your suggestions.
al-amiyr
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Thank you justmuslim
The way you speak now I consider perfect communication. Nothing more is expected. This way we can all correspond effectively without adding what is unnecessary. I agree fully with what you have said above. I will get back to all your questions as I am more eager to speak about it than you would like to hear. I am working on post 15 and it will be easy. Remember I have a deadline that I must fulfill and there are many who are waiting but I will give everyday one or two answers inshaa allaah. Let me hear your suggestions.
al-amiyr
I think this a good compromise. Don't get me wrong, I too want to read all of your 20 posts. I would appreciate if you could also help me along by answering one of my simple questions one day at a time. It is like you read the Koran but you also want to know who prophet Muhammed was. Just the same, I want to know who you are.
Actually, I think that I have not asked you nearly all the questions that I asked about prophet Muhammed and other messengers. Were they all suffering from delusional religious grandiosity? It is by way of questioning we learn and come to the truth. Don't you agree?
I am eagerly awaiting to read your posts and answers to my questions. So continue on. I am dying to know about your educational background. What is your profession? Do you hold degrees? You seem so highly intelligent.
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Peace,
I do not understand him at all of what he wrote in his posts in his threads. Maybe God protects me so I am simply not grasping it. I read like 12 posts about some miracle and I could not understand the point, even if I read them more than once. The language is very incoherent to me. It was just some mumbo jumbo.
Sorry if these words were irrelevant to the topic.
May God lead us into the light.
Peace Man of Faith
You stated the following,
I read like 12 posts about some miracle
Could you point out where I stated anywhere in that thread about some miracle? I am trying to figure out why so many are misreading what I said.
Thank you
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Al-Amiyr,
I am asking you to please stay focused as you have a deadline to meet and I am just dying for some answers. When I saw that you had posted, I was excited but then only disappointed that I didn't get my questions answered.
Ok - you are now torturing me here. Could you please put me out of my misery a little by answering - what is your educational background? It is hard for me to fully concentrate on your posts when I keep wondering who you are.
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Al-Amiyr,
I am asking you to please stay focused as you have a deadline to meet and I am just dying for some answers. When I saw that you had posted, I was excited but then only disappointed that I didn't get my questions answered.
Ok - you are now torturing me here. Could you please put me out of my misery a little by answering - what is your educational background? It is hard for me to fully concentrate on your posts when I keep wondering who you are.
Do you mean only graduates with high education are allowed to think here.
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I think this a good compromise. Don't get me wrong, I too want to read all of your 20 posts. I would appreciate if you could also help me along by answering one of my simple questions one day at a time. It is like you read the Koran but you also want to know who prophet Muhammed was. Just the same, I want to know who you are.
Actually, I think that I have not asked you nearly all the questions that I asked about prophet Muhammed and other messengers. Were they all suffering from delusional religious grandiosity? It is by way of questioning we learn and come to the truth. Don't you agree?
I am eagerly awaiting to read your posts and answers to my questions. So continue on. I am dying to know about your educational background. What is your profession? Do you hold degrees? You seem so highly intelligent.
+salaam justmuslim
You have proven to me that you are much more intelligent and truthful than I thought. It has now come to my understanding that your eagerness for the upholding of truth has been a factor in my judgement. Your intelligence and truthful manner has now appeared like a ray of light upon unsparkled horizon.
Because of this I have been inspired to put all your questions together and hope that you will ask all the others you said you still had. I will even add more questions to the list if that will be required.
You said and I quote,
I think this a good compromise.You also said and I quote,
I too want to read all of your 20 posts.And then again you also said and I quote again,
I would appreciate if you could also help me along by answering one of my simple questions one day at a time. It is like you read the Koran but you also want to know who prophet Muhammed was.And finally you said and finally I quote,
Just the same, I want to know who you are.I think we can make the best compromise. It is called fifty fifty. Here is my proposal.
For every question that I have answered for you in this thread = you will read one of my posts about the Book (al-kitaab) and comment what I post for you in this thread.
What do you think of that?The Qur'aan 04238
Those who respond to their Lord
and establish salat,
and manage their affairs by mutual consultation
and give of what We have provided for them.wa "alaykum-us-salaam
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Do you mean only graduates with high education are allowed to think here.
Absolutely not. How did you understand that from my posts? No, not at all. I just want to know who al-Amiyr is. He comes across as a highly intelligent person. Just my observation.
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No answer to my questions! brickwall You are killing me, al-Amiyr! I don't want to lose all faith in you once again.
Wait a minute. We already had a deal. Ok so now what you are saying is that you will tell me who you are if I do what you want me to do. Hmmm.....this doesn't sound like a compromise or proposal to me at all. Nope, our deal was that you
Remember I have a deadline that I must fulfill and there are many who are waiting but I will give everyday one or two answers inshaa allaah. Let me hear your suggestions.
al-amiyr
So now you have 9 more days to get to your posts and what you are asking me to do is not a good thing and it will delay your posting. I do not want to do that and get everyone here upset. Besides the fact that it is back to work tomorrow and I know that I may not have much time to sit and go through your lessons in the way that I need to without distractions. I don't want to rush through your lessons, not get what you are saying then you will get frustrated with me for not reading your posts, chew me up like you did before. Not good.
When you just clear your mind of everything and follow your posts, it is like you are entering a different world. I can tell you that I won't be able to clear my mind and read your lessons in the way you want me to. I have so many other things going on but don't want to burden you with my issues.
I don't want to tell you that I will do something and not be able to keep my end of the deal. So, let's go back to our original deal where you will continue your posting while helping me along also by answering my questions.
I won't be able to get to your lessons at your pace, although I am waiting to see like everyone else. Impatient at times. But unlike others, I cannot clear my mind for too long reading your lessons as these questions keep popping into my head. I think that my head is going to explode with these questions.
You know what happens when you have all these questions in your head and no answers? Satan starts whispering in my ears. Only you and you know that only you can shut satan up. So, i would really appreciate if you do and answer my questions, helping me also as you continue. Thanks.
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Oh dear god, StopS is back. I just saw that in other thread. Ok al-Amiyr, PLEASE do not get sidetracked. Stay focused on your posts and my questions which shouldn't take much time. Remember just one or two questions in the next 9 days and God willing we will all come to see!
So al-Amiyr, just ignore StopS for now please and stay focused.
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Oh dear god, StopS is back. I just saw that in other thread. Ok al-Amiyr, PLEASE do not get sidetracked. Stay focused on your posts and my questions which shouldn't take much time. Remember just one or two questions in the next 9 days and God willing we will all come to see!
So al-Amiyr, just ignore StopS for now please and stay focused.
Actually StopS is a nice guy he just makes my head full with all his simultaneous questions. I need to stop him from time to time in order to proceed. Therefore I took him off my ignore list.
He asked a very good question earlier and was very observant. I think that we will probably start fighting all over again. But I do not think that StopS asked more questions than you did. StopS was horizontal whereas yours was vertical. It ended up as the square root of questions Sm = Q^2 . -
No answer to my questions! brickwall You are killing me, al-Amiyr! I don't want to lose all faith in you once again.
Wait a minute. We already had a deal. Ok so now what you are saying is that you will tell me who you are if I do what you want me to do. Hmmm.....this doesn't sound like a compromise or proposal to me at all. Nope, our deal was that you
So now you have 9 more days to get to your posts and what you are asking me to do is not a good thing and it will delay your posting. I do not want to do that and get everyone here upset. Besides the fact that it is back to work tomorrow and I know that I may not have much time to sit and go through your lessons in the way that I need to without distractions. I don't want to rush through your lessons, not get what you are saying then you will get frustrated with me for not reading your posts, chew me up like you did before. Not good.
When you just clear your mind of everything and follow your posts, it is like you are entering a different world. I can tell you that I won't be able to clear my mind and read your lessons in the way you want me to. I have so many other things going on but don't want to burden you with my issues.
I don't want to tell you that I will do something and not be able to keep my end of the deal. So, let's go back to our original deal where you will continue your posting while helping me along also by answering my questions.
I won't be able to get to your lessons at your pace, although I am waiting to see like everyone else. Impatient at times. But unlike others, I cannot clear my mind for too long reading your lessons as these questions keep popping into my head. I think that my head is going to explode with these questions.
You know what happens when you have all these questions in your head and no answers? Satan starts whispering in my ears. Only you and you know that only you can shut satan up. So, i would really appreciate if you do and answer my questions, helping me also as you continue. Thanks.
They will not be long posts and will take no more than five minutes to read. It will give you insight as to what I am really doing otherwise you will again return to the previous era. And it will never divert me although I was diverted today because of these discussions and extra readings. Because once I begin with the other thread I will not look back until D-Day without delay.
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I would just like to know what alamiyr thinks or believes
- how "the Koran", "the Book" and "the Matrix" ended up on Earth and
- who exactly Muhammad was.
StopS, may I ask that you please hold your questions for the next 9 days. I am yet to get my simple questions answered about who al-Amiyr is.
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They will not be long posts and will take no more than five minutes to read. It will give you insight as to what I am really doing otherwise you will again return to the previous era. And it will never divert me although I was diverted today because of these discussions and extra readings. Because once I begin with the other thread I will not look back until D-Day without delay.
Sorry, a deal is a deal al-Amiyr. And no, I cannot commit to anything that I may not be able to keep. Go ahead with your lessons. I will catch up later on. I just would like you to honor your words please and answering my simple questions that I have asked thus far in this thread. Thanks.
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He asked a very good question earlier and was very observant. I think that we will probably start fighting all over again. But I do not think that StopS asked more questions than you did. StopS was horizontal whereas yours was vertical. It ended up s the square root of questions Sm = Q^2 .
That is so
Actually StopS is a nice guy he just makes my head full with all his simultaneous questions. I need to stop him from time to time in order to proceed. Therefore I took him off my ignore list
Salaam every one
I would like to share this experience I was in Turkey two years ago and met a couple there. The husband is Turkish from Denmark and his name is Mumtaz. After his danish wife died of cancer he married a woman from Russia, Sav who speaks hardly any English nor Turkish and there I was who spoke very little Turkish.
One thing I noticed about Mum that he wore a constant frown on his face and critised most everyone. During what little time we spent there he had nothing positive to say about anyone while his wife appeared increasingly irritated.
They invited me to their apartment. When I went there Sav had a Russian friend with her. Mumtaz welcomed me and during our short chat he mentioned how he can never get anyone as good as his late wife etc said you ladies can go to the pool and enjoy a good day while I cook dinner. So we had a good relaxing day, swimming and enjoying a Sauna and then came back hungry for a meal.
Their house was full of material things and she had so many toiletries in her bathroom as compared to what I have in my bathroom. She had all sorts of goodies yet was going gaga over my ear rings.
After our meal we all sat down exchanging all sorts of languages to communicate soon Mum started critisizing his wife for always running away from him, claiming she does not love him. He was very frank in front of us ladies, stating that his wife can?t stand him and he constantly campared Sav with his late wife.
The wife also started on her grivances and I sat there with missiles flying over us from both sides.
In my heart I felt their marriage would not last as I took wife to one side and asked her why she was so unhappy. She had valid reasons; he always being so critical of her. After a good chat I asked her ?what about his positive points?? She had nothing to say, in his favour, so I drew her attention to how much luxury she was living in, how he cooks for her and how much better off she was now having married him. To cut a long story short; having listened to both sides I said you must both change your attitudes and start looking at each other?s positive points instead of critisizing each other and ignoring the other?s good sides.
I took a promise from both of them that for one week they would only look for the postives. The wife asked me ?what do I do after a week?? I said ?look for the rest of his postive sides and we all laughed. I also remided that do not expect his late wife to revive in Sav.Next day, at the dawn reading of the Quran, I came accross a surah (which one I can?t remember at the moment, but brother al-amiyr may remember it) that tells us to look at each others ?Hasant?, I think, and soon the animosity between the two will turn to friendship.
I realised then how the teachings of the Qur?an sinks into our every day life, that automatically I was applying the Quranic advice. Anyway I took note of that surah and called Mum and reminded him that what I?d advised him to do is in the Qur?an, so this guidance is from ALLAAH.I left Turkey soon after that and was not sure if they would work on this advice, or if their marriage would last and I did not bother getting in touch with them. Coming back next year I was in the Bazar and all of sudden someone took my hand and hugged me and it turned out it was Sav, and next to her was Mumtaz looking happy under his customary frown. I said Oh it worked? and they said yesss! I said alhumdullilah. This year I bumped into Sev's Russian friend and she told me they are happy and now have a cat and dog. So lets get positivity working and expel the negativity from this thread infact from this forum.
groupOh what a beautiful morning what a beautiful Day 2
Salaam