Questions about al-amiyr
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Al-Amiyr,
I am asking you to please stay focused as you have a deadline to meet and I am just dying for some answers. When I saw that you had posted, I was excited but then only disappointed that I didn't get my questions answered.
Ok - you are now torturing me here. Could you please put me out of my misery a little by answering - what is your educational background? It is hard for me to fully concentrate on your posts when I keep wondering who you are.
Do you mean only graduates with high education are allowed to think here.
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I think this a good compromise. Don't get me wrong, I too want to read all of your 20 posts. I would appreciate if you could also help me along by answering one of my simple questions one day at a time. It is like you read the Koran but you also want to know who prophet Muhammed was. Just the same, I want to know who you are.
Actually, I think that I have not asked you nearly all the questions that I asked about prophet Muhammed and other messengers. Were they all suffering from delusional religious grandiosity? It is by way of questioning we learn and come to the truth. Don't you agree?
I am eagerly awaiting to read your posts and answers to my questions. So continue on. I am dying to know about your educational background. What is your profession? Do you hold degrees? You seem so highly intelligent.
+salaam justmuslim
You have proven to me that you are much more intelligent and truthful than I thought. It has now come to my understanding that your eagerness for the upholding of truth has been a factor in my judgement. Your intelligence and truthful manner has now appeared like a ray of light upon unsparkled horizon.
Because of this I have been inspired to put all your questions together and hope that you will ask all the others you said you still had. I will even add more questions to the list if that will be required.
You said and I quote,
I think this a good compromise.You also said and I quote,
I too want to read all of your 20 posts.And then again you also said and I quote again,
I would appreciate if you could also help me along by answering one of my simple questions one day at a time. It is like you read the Koran but you also want to know who prophet Muhammed was.And finally you said and finally I quote,
Just the same, I want to know who you are.I think we can make the best compromise. It is called fifty fifty. Here is my proposal.
For every question that I have answered for you in this thread = you will read one of my posts about the Book (al-kitaab) and comment what I post for you in this thread.
What do you think of that?The Qur'aan 04238
Those who respond to their Lord
and establish salat,
and manage their affairs by mutual consultation
and give of what We have provided for them.wa "alaykum-us-salaam
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Do you mean only graduates with high education are allowed to think here.
Absolutely not. How did you understand that from my posts? No, not at all. I just want to know who al-Amiyr is. He comes across as a highly intelligent person. Just my observation.
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No answer to my questions! brickwall You are killing me, al-Amiyr! I don't want to lose all faith in you once again.
Wait a minute. We already had a deal. Ok so now what you are saying is that you will tell me who you are if I do what you want me to do. Hmmm.....this doesn't sound like a compromise or proposal to me at all. Nope, our deal was that you
Remember I have a deadline that I must fulfill and there are many who are waiting but I will give everyday one or two answers inshaa allaah. Let me hear your suggestions.
al-amiyr
So now you have 9 more days to get to your posts and what you are asking me to do is not a good thing and it will delay your posting. I do not want to do that and get everyone here upset. Besides the fact that it is back to work tomorrow and I know that I may not have much time to sit and go through your lessons in the way that I need to without distractions. I don't want to rush through your lessons, not get what you are saying then you will get frustrated with me for not reading your posts, chew me up like you did before. Not good.
When you just clear your mind of everything and follow your posts, it is like you are entering a different world. I can tell you that I won't be able to clear my mind and read your lessons in the way you want me to. I have so many other things going on but don't want to burden you with my issues.
I don't want to tell you that I will do something and not be able to keep my end of the deal. So, let's go back to our original deal where you will continue your posting while helping me along also by answering my questions.
I won't be able to get to your lessons at your pace, although I am waiting to see like everyone else. Impatient at times. But unlike others, I cannot clear my mind for too long reading your lessons as these questions keep popping into my head. I think that my head is going to explode with these questions.
You know what happens when you have all these questions in your head and no answers? Satan starts whispering in my ears. Only you and you know that only you can shut satan up. So, i would really appreciate if you do and answer my questions, helping me also as you continue. Thanks.
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Oh dear god, StopS is back. I just saw that in other thread. Ok al-Amiyr, PLEASE do not get sidetracked. Stay focused on your posts and my questions which shouldn't take much time. Remember just one or two questions in the next 9 days and God willing we will all come to see!
So al-Amiyr, just ignore StopS for now please and stay focused.
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Oh dear god, StopS is back. I just saw that in other thread. Ok al-Amiyr, PLEASE do not get sidetracked. Stay focused on your posts and my questions which shouldn't take much time. Remember just one or two questions in the next 9 days and God willing we will all come to see!
So al-Amiyr, just ignore StopS for now please and stay focused.
Actually StopS is a nice guy he just makes my head full with all his simultaneous questions. I need to stop him from time to time in order to proceed. Therefore I took him off my ignore list.
He asked a very good question earlier and was very observant. I think that we will probably start fighting all over again. But I do not think that StopS asked more questions than you did. StopS was horizontal whereas yours was vertical. It ended up as the square root of questions Sm = Q^2 . -
No answer to my questions! brickwall You are killing me, al-Amiyr! I don't want to lose all faith in you once again.
Wait a minute. We already had a deal. Ok so now what you are saying is that you will tell me who you are if I do what you want me to do. Hmmm.....this doesn't sound like a compromise or proposal to me at all. Nope, our deal was that you
So now you have 9 more days to get to your posts and what you are asking me to do is not a good thing and it will delay your posting. I do not want to do that and get everyone here upset. Besides the fact that it is back to work tomorrow and I know that I may not have much time to sit and go through your lessons in the way that I need to without distractions. I don't want to rush through your lessons, not get what you are saying then you will get frustrated with me for not reading your posts, chew me up like you did before. Not good.
When you just clear your mind of everything and follow your posts, it is like you are entering a different world. I can tell you that I won't be able to clear my mind and read your lessons in the way you want me to. I have so many other things going on but don't want to burden you with my issues.
I don't want to tell you that I will do something and not be able to keep my end of the deal. So, let's go back to our original deal where you will continue your posting while helping me along also by answering my questions.
I won't be able to get to your lessons at your pace, although I am waiting to see like everyone else. Impatient at times. But unlike others, I cannot clear my mind for too long reading your lessons as these questions keep popping into my head. I think that my head is going to explode with these questions.
You know what happens when you have all these questions in your head and no answers? Satan starts whispering in my ears. Only you and you know that only you can shut satan up. So, i would really appreciate if you do and answer my questions, helping me also as you continue. Thanks.
They will not be long posts and will take no more than five minutes to read. It will give you insight as to what I am really doing otherwise you will again return to the previous era. And it will never divert me although I was diverted today because of these discussions and extra readings. Because once I begin with the other thread I will not look back until D-Day without delay.
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I would just like to know what alamiyr thinks or believes
- how "the Koran", "the Book" and "the Matrix" ended up on Earth and
- who exactly Muhammad was.
StopS, may I ask that you please hold your questions for the next 9 days. I am yet to get my simple questions answered about who al-Amiyr is.
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They will not be long posts and will take no more than five minutes to read. It will give you insight as to what I am really doing otherwise you will again return to the previous era. And it will never divert me although I was diverted today because of these discussions and extra readings. Because once I begin with the other thread I will not look back until D-Day without delay.
Sorry, a deal is a deal al-Amiyr. And no, I cannot commit to anything that I may not be able to keep. Go ahead with your lessons. I will catch up later on. I just would like you to honor your words please and answering my simple questions that I have asked thus far in this thread. Thanks.
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He asked a very good question earlier and was very observant. I think that we will probably start fighting all over again. But I do not think that StopS asked more questions than you did. StopS was horizontal whereas yours was vertical. It ended up s the square root of questions Sm = Q^2 .
That is so
Actually StopS is a nice guy he just makes my head full with all his simultaneous questions. I need to stop him from time to time in order to proceed. Therefore I took him off my ignore list
Salaam every one
I would like to share this experience I was in Turkey two years ago and met a couple there. The husband is Turkish from Denmark and his name is Mumtaz. After his danish wife died of cancer he married a woman from Russia, Sav who speaks hardly any English nor Turkish and there I was who spoke very little Turkish.
One thing I noticed about Mum that he wore a constant frown on his face and critised most everyone. During what little time we spent there he had nothing positive to say about anyone while his wife appeared increasingly irritated.
They invited me to their apartment. When I went there Sav had a Russian friend with her. Mumtaz welcomed me and during our short chat he mentioned how he can never get anyone as good as his late wife etc said you ladies can go to the pool and enjoy a good day while I cook dinner. So we had a good relaxing day, swimming and enjoying a Sauna and then came back hungry for a meal.
Their house was full of material things and she had so many toiletries in her bathroom as compared to what I have in my bathroom. She had all sorts of goodies yet was going gaga over my ear rings.
After our meal we all sat down exchanging all sorts of languages to communicate soon Mum started critisizing his wife for always running away from him, claiming she does not love him. He was very frank in front of us ladies, stating that his wife can?t stand him and he constantly campared Sav with his late wife.
The wife also started on her grivances and I sat there with missiles flying over us from both sides.
In my heart I felt their marriage would not last as I took wife to one side and asked her why she was so unhappy. She had valid reasons; he always being so critical of her. After a good chat I asked her ?what about his positive points?? She had nothing to say, in his favour, so I drew her attention to how much luxury she was living in, how he cooks for her and how much better off she was now having married him. To cut a long story short; having listened to both sides I said you must both change your attitudes and start looking at each other?s positive points instead of critisizing each other and ignoring the other?s good sides.
I took a promise from both of them that for one week they would only look for the postives. The wife asked me ?what do I do after a week?? I said ?look for the rest of his postive sides and we all laughed. I also remided that do not expect his late wife to revive in Sav.Next day, at the dawn reading of the Quran, I came accross a surah (which one I can?t remember at the moment, but brother al-amiyr may remember it) that tells us to look at each others ?Hasant?, I think, and soon the animosity between the two will turn to friendship.
I realised then how the teachings of the Qur?an sinks into our every day life, that automatically I was applying the Quranic advice. Anyway I took note of that surah and called Mum and reminded him that what I?d advised him to do is in the Qur?an, so this guidance is from ALLAAH.I left Turkey soon after that and was not sure if they would work on this advice, or if their marriage would last and I did not bother getting in touch with them. Coming back next year I was in the Bazar and all of sudden someone took my hand and hugged me and it turned out it was Sav, and next to her was Mumtaz looking happy under his customary frown. I said Oh it worked? and they said yesss! I said alhumdullilah. This year I bumped into Sev's Russian friend and she told me they are happy and now have a cat and dog. So lets get positivity working and expel the negativity from this thread infact from this forum.
groupOh what a beautiful morning what a beautiful Day 2
Salaam
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I would just like to know what alamiyr thinks or believes
- how "the Koran", "the Book" and "the Matrix" ended up on Earth and
- who exactly Muhammad was.
It is what I am outlining. If you follow The Entering The Hidden book.... Inshaa allaah Thread, the answer will become known. It is not possible for me to give a short answer because it will not make sense. It must be explained because the letters of the Qur'aan are all of the set of multi-dimensional matter-space time configurations which must also first be known. Today I will explain the origin of 'alif (the first letter of the alphabet) and how ALLAAH brought it into existence. The 'alif we write is only a representative of that 'alif. When all the letters are known everything in existence is understood. This I must explain and prove.
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Actually StopS is a nice guy he just makes my head full with all his simultaneous questions. I need to stop him from time to time in order to proceed. Therefore I took him off my ignore list.
He asked a very good question earlier and was very observant. I think that we will probably start fighting all over again. But I do not think that StopS asked more questions than you did. StopS was horizontal whereas yours was vertical. It ended up as the square root of questions Sm = Q^2 .I thought you were being paranoid when you said how StopS has been following you around. I checked out other forums and how true. Sounds like StopS is your alter ego. Here you are trying to save humanity, delivering people from darkness and there is StopS trying to get people into darkness. It is like tempt
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IntroductionQuestions about al-amiyr
a sequel to follow
L-r-r-r-r-r-r-r---R--->-----Thread originator = "justmuslim"
respondent al-amiyr"I am opening up this thread as I am sure others especially the lurkers might have the same questions about al-amiyr"
-"I have lot of questions ..."
-"I am asking simple straight forward questions..."
-"You don't have to answer all at once."
-"If you don't answer, I would like to know why?"This all resulted out of The Entering The Hidden Book - - - - - - - - - -> ishaa allaah Thread ( http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604789.0 ) Although I asked many questions to facilitate the understanding of the subject "justmuslim" never answered any of them and wrote a Reply #2 and I quote'
I do find it absolutely necessary to comment. Seems like you have already mesmerized few here who are eagerly awaiting your next posts or book. I see right through and not one to fall for it.
If you want to be taken seriously, I suggest that you talk less as a magician. (al-amiyr's emphasis)
Satan understands people very well and knows how to talk and how to manipulate. Taking truth and combining it with fabrications is an artful and very effective way of how satan leads people astray.
Being careful not to offend wanting to be open minded and accepting, people are often afraid to stand up and question people like Al-Amyr. I am not as it is God who guides me, showing me the right path and teaching me the truth. I am not taken in by flowery words and charms having a veil over my eyes.
I see how Al-amyr is so skillful in his word usage and how he dismisses critics. When mmkhan questioned him being critical, al-Amyr put him down by letting him know of his disappointment. Of course, mmkhan is a nice guy and he reacted with apologies.
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Claiming to come from the family of the prophet as a means of establishing credibility is another tactic. (al-amiyr's emphasis)Farida, as you state that you are a wise woman who has seen a lot, have you verified this claim made by al-Amyr about his lineage not that it makes his claims any more credible? He makes claims and has anyone here asked for evidence and proof of his claims?
Clearly, he has gained quite a few supporters here who will jump to his defense.
@farida. Before you respond to my post, let me state that I am not in need of al-amyrs hidden knowledge to be astonished and enlightened. For anyone to even insinuate that prophet muhammed had certain knowledge which has been kept hidden only passed on from one generation to next is a serious allegation and just blasphemous.
as-salaamu "alaykum
I have now spent about 15 hours checking and studying posts by justmuslim concerning everything she wrote about al-amiyr. In those posts she repeatedly asks why I do not answer her questions. I have therefore collected all her questions which number over fifty and will respond to each one inshaa allaah. Her main objection surrounded this statement I made and I quote,
I have already said that this knowledge was handed down to me by my father from his father through 44 generations back to the prophet (S+). We are the historical Al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy family stem of the prophet, one son after the other, and all great scholars who gave guidance to most of the khaliyfs who ruled the Islaamic world. There is none in the world who have this knowledge but our family and we teach it to the people and then they realize who we are. It is coming to the public now for the first time in 1400 years. Just continue to follow and read and then you will see what will appear before your own eyes. It is as simple as that.
Thanks
al-amiyr.Justmuslim quoted the above statement and replied and I quote,
As you claim that this knowledge was handed down from the prophet, what evidence do you have to support your claim?
Let's start with you first. Why don't you tell us who you are? Your full name? where were you born and when? Your place of birth? What is your background? When did you start learning of this knowledge? Who taught you this knowledge? As you claim that you stem from the prophet, what proof do you have of your claims? Historical documents and accounts. Name all of persons of your lineage who had the knowledge and transmitted this knowledge.
You mention that this knowledge was transmitted from one son after the other. What son of the prophet was it first transmitted to and who did this son then transmit this knowledge to?
Was this knowledge written down or transmitted orally?
As you claim that this knowledge stems from the prophet Muhammed, how did he get this knowledge? On his own or from God? Are you saying that Muhammed kept this knowledge to his family only? Why? Who did prophet Muhammed share this knowledge with? Why did he not make it public if this knowledge carries such significance?
And who are the great scholars who you speak of that had this knowledge and gave guidance to the rulers of the Islamic world? Can you please name them?
You say that this knowledge was kept a secret in your family but in other place did you say that they were persecuted for it? You have opened so many threads that I just want to be sure that I am not missing what you are saying and understand you correctly. What you are saying is that for 1400 years your family kept this knowledge a secret and only now you are making it public? Why did they keep this knowledge a secret? How many individuals have known about this secret in the family through the generation?
You said that you have been in other forums teaching your knowledge. When did you decide to go public and why now when your family has kept it a secret for so many generations and for 1400 years? What lead you to share your knowledge to others now?
Given how this knowledge has been transmitted from generation to generation for 1400 years, the descendants of the prophet are large in number. So how many of the descendants of the prophet have this knowledge? What other family members besides you have this knowledge? Or are you the only one? Are other family members also disseminating this knowledge?
Given that this knowledge that you have will change humanity, why don't you publish it in a book or create a website disseminating your info to ALL of humanity instead of going from one website to others? Do you have a website or youtube link? Have you or your followers published this knowledge? Why not?
In order to verify your claims, I am sure you wouldn't have problems providing the answers to the questions that I ask which are simple and straight forward.
You said that this knowledge is not your own and comes from the prophet Muhammed. Prove your claims with evidence which should be simple enough.
I think that all justmuslim's questions are fair and valid. If these questions cannot be answered then she has won the case and al-amiyr has been defeated. But if al-amiyr has answered all these questions then she is faced with making the correct choice which she knows what the consequences of the wrong decision will be.
May ALLAAH guide all of us inshaa allaah.
wa "alaykum-us-salaam
As-sayyid kamaal-ud-diyn (al-amiyr) muhammad abdullaah abuw bakr zuburi (zobri) bakkah (becket) - effendi al-kaabiy al-khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.
( 1384 - ? ) / ( 1964 - ? )
ibn (son of)
As-sayyid rushd-ud-diyn (al-amiyr) abdullaah abuw bakr - effendi al-kaabiy al-khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.
( 1341 - 1412 ) / ( 1923 - 1992 )
ibn (son of)
As-sayyid 'alaa'-ud-diyn (al-amiyr) muhammad - effendi al-kaabiy al-khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.
( 1286 - 1375 ) / ( 1870 - 1956 )
ibn (son of)
As-sayyid al-bahr-ul-muhaqqaq al-hibr-ul-mudaqqaq shaykh-ul-"ilm shaykh-ul-islaam muftiy al-'arba"-ul-'a'immah (al-amiyr) abdullaah abuw bakr - effendi al-khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.
( 1229 - 1297) / ( 1814 - 1880 )
ibn (son of)
As-sayyid aS-Salabiyy (al-amiyr) mullaa "umar - effendi al-kaabiy al-khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.I will begin by my great grandfather who was the renowned scholar said to be by many the most knowledgeable man alive in his day. A man the rulers of the earth respected. Better known as Abu Bakr Effendi(in English) and Ebubekir Efendi in Turkish. You can read about him on the internet (but most of the knowledge is still in books and manuscripts).
Here is a documentary produced a few years ago by a department of the Turkish Government and a part of it on Youtube. But before watching read the following short introduction why he came to South Africa.
During the last ten years members of The Turkish Government (including Prime Minister Erdogan and Foreign Minister Davutoglu) came to South Africa.One of the first things they requested was to go to the grave of The Shaykh of Knowledge As_sayyid Abdullaah Abu Bakr Effendi al-khushnaawiy al-Qurashiy al-Amjadiy (1814-1880). This was reported in both the South African and Turkish Media.The Shaykh of Knowledge is buried on the world famous Signal Hill that is the abdomen part of a mountain shaped in the form of a crouching lion which lies next to The World Renowned Table Mountain (now voted by humanity and declared a seventh wonder of the world and said to be the most wondrous mountain in the world). The history of The Shaykh of Knowledge, his ancestry and his coming to South Africa has been described by historians and other writers as amazing and crying out to be written. It all started like this when the Muslims of The Colony of The Cape of Good Hope wrote a letter to the Governor as follows.
A unique historical event
On 16 April 1862
The Muslims of The Colony of The Cape of Good Hope
Cape Town
South Africa
wrote a letter to the Governor as follows.
"As it is well known, 85 years ago some of Javenese islands fell into the hands of
The Dutch Government.
Our fathers were all tied up in chains, enslaved and brought here.
We were afflicted with suffering and problems;
the Honourable British Empire set us free from the slavery of the previous government
and gave us our liberty.
For that, we thank the empire for it's help and grace, and in case of necessity,
it is incumbent upon us to sacrifice ourselves for it's cause.
We once again express our thanks and gratitude.
It is obvious that each nation has to know and apply it's religion and way of life and practice.
But
we forgot our language of origin, the language of Javenese,
the books and treatises are all written in that language and therefore
we obviously need a teacher to read and teach them.
Since the situation is like this
it is requested to bring
a scholar-teacher from a Muslim country
in order to teach and train us."16 Shawwaal 1278 (16 April 1862)
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Muslim people
Cape of Good HopeOmar Lutfi " A travelogue of my journey to The Cape of Good hope. p.7.
translated by Yusuf KavakciThe Governor replied to the Muslims that it was not an easy matter for him and it had to be referred to Her Majesty Queen Victoria for Approval. ... The Governor's letter with the petition of the Muslims arrived at Queen Victoria's Government and it was discussed in parliament and recommendations were made. They then sent The letter to The Khalif of The Sunni World Sultan Abdul Aziz and The High Council of Islamic Affairs..................... It was Decided that the best person for the undertaking would be The Shaykh of Knowledge and The Shaykh of Islaam Abu Bakr Effendi(as he is mostly known). On 01 October 1862 The Shaykh of Knowledge left The Ottoman Islamic Khilafat in a ship from Istanbul bound for The Western World (it has been said that it was the first time in history that such an event took place between a Muslim government and a Christian one).
The Shaykh of Knowledge arrived in London on the 15 October 1862 and later at the palace of Queen Victoria where he met Lord Chamberlain who was waiting for his arrival. After spending one and a half months there he left on 01 December 1862 for The Colony of the Cape of Good Hope, Cape Town, South Africa.
The Shaykh of Knowledge arrived in Cape Town in the early morning of the 13th of January 1863 where soon all the prominent Imams of the Muslims came to welcome him. A photograph of the Shaykh with all the prominent Muslims leaders was taken and believed to be the oldest photograph of Muslims in South Africa if not its oldest dated in the country.short Youtube Video of my great grandfather
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IziN0pbWDY
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I think that all justmuslim's questions are fair and valid. If these questions cannot be answered then she has won the case and al-amiyr has been defeated. But if al-amiyr has answered all these questions then she is faced with making the correct choice which she knows what the consequences of the wrong decision will be.
Noticed how you referred yourself in the third person - interesting.
So is this how al-Amiyr sees things - a game about winning and being defeated?
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.. I just saw that in other thread. Ok al-Amiyr, PLEASE do not get sidetracked. Stay focused on your posts and my questions which shouldn't take much time. Remember just one or two questions in the next 9 days and God willing we will all come to see!
So al-Amiyr, just ignore StopS for now please and stay focused.
I just saw in other thread question for you. PLEASE do not get sidetracked. So just ignore for now please and stay focused
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Noticed how you referred yourself in the third person - interesting.
So is this how al-Amiyr sees things - a game about winning and being defeated?
Justamuslim - Speaking in third person is a symptom of dissociative personality disorder, also known as multiple personality disorder.
Have you noticed al-amiyr speaking in the third person in other places? I will go through his previous posts and check.
Very observant justamuslim! You noticed and found this behavior of al-amiyr's to be "interesting". Could you care to elaborate? Did his behavior strike you as being outside of normalcy? Curious to know your thoughts.
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Justamuslim - Speaking in third person is a symptom of dissociative personality disorder, also known as multiple personality disorder.
Have you noticed al-amiyr speaking in the third person in other places? I will go through his previous posts and check.
Very observant justamuslim! You noticed and found this behavior of al-amiyr's to be "interesting". Could you care to elaborate? Did his behavior strike you as being outside of normalcy? Curious to know your thoughts.
So is this how YOU sees things - a game about whining and being defeated?
jedi