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Fascinating and interesting stuff. I think sceptics are premature to question al-amiyr's intention. Have patience and let al-amiyr finish his posts. Though some of his claims trouble me , I'm still intersted to read all that he wants to tell. We can and should allways fall back on quran. We should encourage new ideas , not impede or block it.
Confirmed. Please continue al-amiyr.
Thank you faruk
You have always responded like a wise man. First to listen and then to make judgement. What more can human beings expect from each other. With your manner it is easier to explore new ideas and see what is acceptable. You will not be one who will be fooled in the end of the day because you would have patiently given another a fair hearing. That is how the world advances.
Thanks again brother
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as salaam alaykum brother al-amiyr
I could not sleep very well as I have been pondering upon this section of lesson 14 Numbers that moves out he called +n and numbers that moves in He called +m. Going out means away from the right way and going in towards the b (the point of the light means going the right way.
In the diagram we see ?m and +n and it took me some time to go back to my school days and remember what it means ?negative and positive
I would request for a bit of explanation on this one.
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Salaam Bender
Here is something worth reading for you;
GentlemenThe starting point of this discussion is my central thesis, which is
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DNA is not merely a molecule with a pattern; it is a code, a language, and an information storage mechanism.
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All codes are created by a conscious mind; there is no natural process known to science that creates coded information.
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Therefore DNA was designed by a mind.
If you can provide an empirical example of a code or language that occurs naturally, you've toppled my proof. All you need is one.
Perry Marshall
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Let's review where we've been in this thread. I have said(1) The sequence of base pairs in DNA is a code.
Much effort has been made to discredit this statement, unsuccessfully. This statement is fully and explicitly supported in virtually all of the scientific literature since the 1960s.
(2) All codes that we know the origin of come from a mind.
Much effort has been expended to discredit this statement as well. Assertions have been attempted that gravity, snowflakes, magma flows and the like are codes. But none accurately conforms to Shannon's communication model. Most of the examples cited do not contain an encoding system, and none contain a decoding system.
(3) Therefore DNA came from a mind.
The objection to this statement has been that the conclusion is reached inductively. Complaints have been lodged that inductive reasoning is inherently unreliable. But we do observe that the laws of thermodynamics and in fact the majority of known scientific laws are determined inductively and not deductively. If you wish to throw out inductive reasoning, then we can discard almost all scientific knowledge and start all over again and use rocks and sticks to make fire.
Thus we have, right here on the Infidels discussion forum, after more than 300 posts, robust evidence that life was intelligently designed.
It is not possible for me to persuade people to believe in God if they do not want to; that is not my job. But one can hope that some will follow the evidence, wherever it leads.
Perry Marshall
http//www.vina.cc/news/index.php/General/DNA-proves-the-existence-of-God.html
SalaamSalaam,
Let's just say that we disagree.
Allah is not a mind and never said that the L represents His mind. And He never taught us the things al-amiyr wants to teach us about Him.
If Perry Marshall or al-amiyr wants to makes such claims about Allah then it's their business, and whoever wants to follow his teachings it's their business. Bear witness that I am free of what he invents about AllahI asked al-amiyr a very simple question, he doesn't even need to type it, just a simple copy-paste from http//tanzil.net or his favourite site with an arabic Quran. But he was not able to do that. Why hmm
Please take a look at the next vers
693 And who is more wicked than he who invents lies about God, or says "It has been inspired to me," when We did not inspire anything to him; or who says "I will bring down the same as what God has sent down." And if you could only see the wicked at the moments of death when the angels have their arms opened "Bring yourselves out, today you will be given the severest punishment for what you used to say about God without truth, and you used to be arrogant towards His revelations."As long as he can't back up his claims with ayaats from The Book we call The Quran then it has not more value to me then Bukhari or every other inventor who spread lies about Allah.
I believe I am very clear now on how I think about al-amiyr, so there is no need to convince me about him.
For me it works like this
Claim about Allah or His ayaats => evidence from The Quran
If one can't do this, then he/she is a liar/inventor, very simple.al-amiyr, if you are reading this
2061 Moses said to them "Woe to you, do not invent lies about God, else the retribution will take you, and miserable is the one who invents."Salaam and I am out of this discussion,
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This whole thread is complete nonsense. As I am reading this I keep on thinking to myself this is NUTS, completely NUTS.
Anyone who has any common sense will realize that Muslims ought to stay far, far away from this kind of stuff. Just like summoning a jinn isn't technically haram, you'd have to be insane not to know that you should stay as far away as possible from that type of stuff.
Once again, I ask the righteous Muslims to stay away from this as al-amiyr willingly or unwillingly is leading you astray.
Fear Allah and do not carry on reading this thread.
You only registered on this forum four days ago, yet you've taken it upon yourself the role of a SAVIOUR, saying 'fear Allah', whilst instilling fear of a human voodoo Just like summoning a jinn isn't technically haram, you'd have to be insane not to know that you should stay as far away as possible from that type of stuff.
To be honest, this is verging on kufr. Al-amiyr is saying things about which he has no knowledge about Allah amongst other things.
kufr ....you mean denying Your Lord?
Tick below the correct answer;
a; Are you the "Christ"?
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b;" the Anti-Christ" ?
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You are saying that all things were obvious from the very start to you, maybe because you
are smarter than the others including me of course ,so let us wait and see what will come next
by al-amiyr and then all of us can decide if you were the smarter one.From reading Justamuslim, i think she is definitely smart. Not to mention having the courage to stand up for what she believes in and challenging al-amiyr. I think that at the end, we will all see how she is much smarter than al-amiyr.
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From reading Justamuslim, i think she is definitely smart. Not to mention having the courage to stand up for what she believes in and challenging al-amiyr. I think that at the end, we will all see how she is much smarter than al-amiyr.
What about from reading farida ?
Do you not think she is definitely smart ?
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Fascinating and interesting stuff. I think sceptics are premature to question al-amiyr's intention. Have patience and let al-amiyr finish his posts. Though some of his claims trouble me , I'm still intersted to read all that he wants to tell. We can and should allways fall back on quran. We should encourage new ideas , not impede or block it.
Al-amiyr has made his intentions quite clear. He has repeatedly made himself clear that his aim is to save people from this knowledge that only he posses. I would not say that there are skeptics but smart people here on the forum who see how delusional he is in his thinking. It is called grandiose delusion with religious overtones. Al-amiyr clearly suffers from religious grandiosity. His claims of humility are obviously superficial.
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What about from reading farida ?
Do you not think she is definitely smart ?
You will be surprised there are much smarter ones too yesI think you are up there with al-amiyr. Deeply disturbed individual from reading your posts. I truly believe and I say this in the nicest way, you need psychiatric help.
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I think you are up there with al-amiyr. . I truly believe and .
Of course I am al-amiyr's foremost student
Deeply disturbed individual from reading your posts
deeply disturbing YOU police
I say this in the nicest way, you need psychiatric help
oR rather nastiest way YOU need this jedi
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I think you are up there with al-amiyr. Deeply disturbed individual from reading your posts. I truly believe and I say this in the nicest way, you need psychiatric help.
Is this the way to address a lady? Don't you have any valid arguments. Must you resort to psycho tactics? Are you trying to mentally scare farida off? . Don't act like a wimp.
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Is this the way to address a lady? Don't you have any valid arguments. Must you resort to psycho tactics? Are you trying to mentally scare farida off? . Don't act like a wimp.
You assumed I was a man. This is the danger of Internet as you are faceless, anonymous.
-You can assume any persona.
- Person can create a biography with pictures which is not true self.
- One can create multiple accounts under different names, gender, etc.
- someone like al-amiyr who clearly has religious grandiosity needs supporters. he goes to a forum and gets a feel for the forum. And then he talks to the audience.
- If there is no response or finds the existing members not buying his story or he is transparent to some or most of the members, he creates other accounts posing as a different person to get more support.
- He clicks on the threads thousands of time himself to make it seem how in a short period, he has garnered such interest. Online offers security as you cannot pull this off in person.
The administrators have a way of determining if the different accounts are coming from the same persons. Some think they are smart my using different computers.
Internet connects people forging friendships. But also be aware of persons like al-amiyr and his supporters who may all be one and the same using different accounts.
I suggest that justamuslim, bender, savage-carrot, mmkhan and others like yourselves to ignore al-amiyr. He needs your attention. Best thing to do is ignorer him. He has been in several forums doing the same thing. Some of you have already done a search. I will expose of him and his "supporters" from other forums here who have not or don't have the time for.
al-amiyr has taken up seed here in this forum. Either he has brought his followers or has created different accounts with names like this member. Don't fall victim to these kinds of persons who may truly believe in their own lies. Keep in mind and be aware that there are people with some severe psychiatric disorders. And also be aware of cult leaders or wanna-be's online some of whom are very subtle and highly skillful knowing how to exploit the general characteristics of those who are believers.
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Peace,
I believe the tone is utterly bad in this thread.
Only the weak-minded will fall prey to Satan's attempts to mislead.
Personally I feel the thread author's words are very incoherent and it can come a post which does not evolve the topic at all, just a ramble of words.
Any honest person would first clearly show the main goals with the study and come up with a clear topic and description.
Now I will not call anyone insane or use bad language because God has forbidden me from such thing. The truth speaks for itself.
If people want to believe in things which has no basis, let them do it. And being from Muhammad's family does not mean being righteous. Abraham asked God to make his offspring righteous and God replied that His covenant does not guarantee those righteousness if they do not follow His law.
I did not baselessly criticize here, I used what I have observed. The posts are confusing and could be laid up better. It is by no means a personal attack. I just wanted people, including me, to understand better.
May God show mercy upon us.
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Omninescience was the 'knowledge' of the people of the Era of Pure Ignorance.
Myths and Superstitions
infiltrated that Vacuum of Knowledgelessness
And set up in there wake
Democracies of Totalitarian Falsehoods.
Misguided Ignorance
began
its Autocratic Reign
And started to transform the minds of the people into
Faculties of Every Irrationality.Truth has arrived with
the sword of reason to slay falsehood
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to establish its Dominion over where it rightfully belongs.
Just have a little more patience inshaa allaah.
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Now I will not call anyone insane or use bad language because God has forbidden me from such thing. The truth speaks for itself.
Last month, a 20 year old man in the States shot and killed his mother, then went to elementary school with assault gun killing 20 children who were 6 and 7 years old and 6 teachers who tried to stop him.
Saying that this 20 year old man was insane and suffering from mental illness is not a personal attack on him or something that God forbids. People described him as agent of evil, mentally ill, very disturbed, a loner, etc. They were not personally attacking him but describing him - man of faith.
Personal attack is calling you names if you don't do what I tell you or want you to do or if you disagree with me. If i put you down as a way of controlling you, devaluing or demeaning you, this is wrong and yes, it is something that God forbids. It is called emotional abuse.
Here's a good website to check out http//eqi.org/eabuse1.htm to learn more. It is not a personal attack to describe, highlight someone's behavior and actions.
Al-amiyr called me "raw", "uncouth" "incompetent" when I questioned him. Look at how he has reacted to all those who disagreed with him, stood up to him, pointing out his behavior, or critiquing him.
al-amiyr has shown symptoms of someone suffering from religious delusions or grandiosity. I googled searched profiles of cult leaders and a good read
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al-amiyr has shown symptoms of someone suffering from religious delusions or grandiosity. I googled searched profiles of cult leaders and a good read
http//www.psychologytoday.com/blog/spycatcher/201208/dangerous-cult-leaders.I'm sure some sort of psychiatric diagnosis could be made up for you too. How does bi-polar sound? Glove fits? peace
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SpaceTraveler, IronFist, FearGod...same format hmm hmm
I'm sure some sort of psychiatric diagnosis could be made up for you too. How does bi-polar sound? Glove fits? peace
She experiences alternating periods of mania and depression?? Glove is 10X larger buddy.
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as-salaamu "alaykum
Before I begin later today with the main part of the Book (al-kitaab) let me reiterate what I wrote in the opening post so that we will not be sidetracked as I said we would be if we do not stick to the procedure. Let me quote from post 1,
In The Name of ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD_The All Merciful_The Most Merciful
the Book (al-kitaab) Post 1
1234567891as-salaamu "alaykum good brothers and sisters
In this thread I will take you into the Book (al-kitaab) as was promised in the other related thread. Pay careful attention to everything that is going to be said. Please take the following into consideration
1)- nothing that you could have imagined is what you are going to see here; so pay your utmost attention otherwise you will be diverted.
2)- do not divert from this subject; because it could throw everything off-track because I will not mix the aayaat (signs) of ALLAAH with
what is vain.
3)- ask any question which you like concerning that which was posted of the Book (al-kitaab).
4) -at the end of my explanation you could present your own critical analysis if you can.
5)- I will ask many questions based upon what were presented in order to make the journey into the Book (al-kitaab) easy, which it is. It is
the easiest book in the world to study. No prior knowledge about anything is required. The reality will automatically dawn upon you. And
you will become amazed at what you will begin to know and understand about everything.Keep especially the following in mind;
Nobody can be told
what The Hidden Book is
you
like everyone else
must see it for yourself.Therefore
let there be silence!
look
listen
learn
and
ponder
the understanding will also be yours.Pay heed to the following warning from ALLAAH in His Qur'aan.
Those who behave arrogantly on the earth in defiance of right -
them will I turn away from My signs
Even if they see all the signs, they will not believe in them;
and if they see the way of right conduct, they will not adopt it as the way;
but if they see the way of error, that is the way they will adopt.
For they have rejected our signs, and failed to take warning from them.Above all else follow the instructions at the bottom of each post. Before we begin the journey read the following introduction into the Book (al-kitaab). Do not be concerned if you do not understand everything in the introduction. They will be fully explained and understood. Let us begin inshaa allaah
m m m m m m m m m m
the Book (al-kitaab) Post 2
1234567891Thanks to the quoted posters who have responded.
What is the Book (al-kitaab)? Besides the knowledge and the writing let us hear what ALLAAH says in His Glorious Qur'aan.
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And We had already given Moses The Book (al_kitaab)
after We had destroyed the first generations
mental perceptions and visions for humanity
and
Guidance and Mercy
in order for them to think of and bear in mind.Besides the other valuable information contained in the verse we have the very important information which is;
The Book (al_kitaab)mental perceptions and visions for humanity ... in order for them to think of and bear in mind.
Without going too much into details let us start our mental journey. Keep your minds directed and do not let the allies of ShayTaan cause any diversion. This is his greatest fear and that is that humanity should know this book of ALLAAH that is called the Book (al-kitaab).
Let us begin!
What would you see
if you were in an enclosed room
and the lights were switched off or the power suddenly failed?
What would you see?The teaching of the Book (al-kitaab) is an interaction between two or more persons. The one teaching and the one learning. It is a program that must be lodged in the human brain ( the hardware). The Qur'aan and the other Divine Books of ALLAAH are the software. Once the software is read, the mind perceives the dimensions it contains. Just like a CD one places in a computer and then all the wonderful things are seen. But if you look at the CD itself you will see virtually nothing.
That is why whenever ALLAAH sent His aayaat ( The letters of the alphabet) the world mocked it and declared that the prophets and messengers of ALLAAH were none other than magicians and mad.Whatever I have quoted above are The Qur'aan Only. Was there anything wrong in what was said above. So what is the point that I want to share with all Muslims and other people of the world?
It is this That The Qur'aan is not only a book that one can read but the reading comes from a writing. And this writing of the Qur'aan is not just a hollow nothing but every letter has meaning and is part of the multidimensional matter-space-time configurations.It is this that I want to present here and that which I must prove and you to agree or disagree based upon your looking and reading and studying what was outlined. Is there anything wrong with this. Please let me know.
I also said that this knowledge is not known to the world but coming to it for the first time in 1400 years. It is either true or untrue.This can also be verified. I am not speaking about it not being discussed elsewhere. No! In fact this knowledge is discussed in all religions that I know but none explain all the symbols. This is what I am presenting here and that I must prove. Surely if there is nothing in here then you will know. Is it not.
The next point people might wonder where I got this information from. Different people will respond differently for different reasons. for example
If I spoke to the Shiite Muslims they will reject me because they believe that this knowledge is only known to the 12 imaams of the Prophets family in the Jafr and The Jaamiah and I quote an article in From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Al-Jafr (book)
Muhammad. Al-Jafr is composed of two skin boxes in which were kept various books of the past Prophets and the books inherited from Muhammad, Ali and Fatimah to the Ahl al-Bayt, with each new Imam receiving them from his dying predecessor Imam, as well as the armour and weapons of Muhammad.
Al-Jafr was one of the sources and origins of knowledge acquired by the 12 Imams and Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq took pride in having possession of al-Jafr, that comprised the hidden knowledge of Muhammad. The later Imams were accustomed to refer at times to the sacred and secret book of al-Jafr, which was left in their keeping by Ali and belief in the existence of al-Jafr with the Imams was firm, according to the Shia.
The Imams also learned the science of Huruf (letters of the alphabet) from al-Jafr and used this science to derive facts and rulings from al-Jafr.
Al-Jafr was handed down among the Imams and the Shia believe it is currently in the possession of the "hidden" Imam Muhammad al-Mahdi.
Contents
1 Etymology
2 Contents
3 Evidence of al-Jafr?s existence
4 Popular culture
5 See also
6 References
7 External links
EtymologyThe material of al-Jafr is parchment for writing made from animals' skin for which the word ?Jafr? can variously mean; numerical symbolism, science of numbers, numerical symbolism of letters, numerology, science of letters, alphabetical symbolism or divination. The prefix ?al? means ?the.?
If I spoke to Sunni Muslims they would tell me where is the Hadiyth to substantiate your claims before we listen. Yet I can even proof it from hadiyth as well.
I will not go into all the other details here.
That is the problem. So it is not an easy job in wanting to present something and then cursed and insulted by those who did not even give it a consideration. And yet Muslims will find it so amazing how deep the Qur'aan goes. It will essentially prove the Qur'aan. That is why I say that the shaytaan will do everything in his power to keep the world from even hearing it.
For example there is a inter religious forum that allows all types of discussion even insults against the creator with very liberal rules. You can virtually say what you want. When I place a thread The Book called the book (al-kitaab) the thread was closed within 24 hours. They never opened it up till this day. How does one explain that. The moment I speak about al-kitaab then it ignites in many who are in charge an aggression that is bewildering. yet they set themselves up as great liberals.
Let me sum up by quoting from another post.
My Request
First Reply1)- you do not have to be a Muslim to go into the Book (al-kitaab). In fact you can be the hardest anti-theist.
2)- you do not have to have any prior knowledge to enter the the Book (al-kitaab) to fully understand - in fact you could be completely illiterate. You just need a brain that can think.
3)- in fact, no scriptures are even required to enter the Book (al-kitaab). The Book (al-kitaab) is like a computer program (code like e.g. HTML) and your head and your mind can be compared to the hardware. The scriptures (like the Qur'aan, the Torah, the Injiyl, etc in the original language) are the software that executes the program.
4)- The Book (al-kitaab) is the Writing (from Arabic kataba = he wrote (a writing) and the Qur'aan is the Reading/Recitation thereof ( from qara'a = he read/ he recited). The two go together.Read the following verse in the Qur'aan
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And truly it is a Noble Qur?aan (qur'aan kariym)
in a Hidden Book (kitaab maknuwn).
None touches it except the Purified Ones;
a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.Let us see what the meaning of the qur'aanic statement is
a Noble Qur?aan (qur'aan kariym) in a Hidden Book (kitaab maknuwn).maknuwn
1)- hidden, concealed
2)- well-kept
3)- hidden contentkitaab
1)- a piece of writing, record
2)- letter, note, message
3)- bookSo the qur'aan says;
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And truly it is a Noble Qur?aan
in a Hidden Book (kitaab maknuwn).
None touches it except the Purified Ones;
a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.a Noble Qur?aan( Reading / Recitation from qara'a = he read/ he recited). in
1)- hidden/ concealed piece of writing/ record
2)- well-kept piece of writing/ record
3)- hidden (content) piece of writing/ record4)- hidden/ concealed letter, note, message
5)- well-kept letter, note, message
6)- hidden (content) letter, note, message7)- hidden/ concealed book
-)- well-kept book
9)- hidden (content) bookTo sum up the statement in the Qur'aan the following is derived;
And truly it is a noble (kariym) reading/recitation (qur'aan) in a hidden/concealed/well kept/hidden(content) writing/piece of writing/note/message/book (kitaab) that none can touch/be in contact with/violate (massa) except for the purified/immaculate (muTaHHaruwn)ones.
What is meant by secret writing is the meaning of all the letters of the alphabet. The qur'aan is written in this writing that the world can read but they have no idea what these letters represent. If you should ask the world the following question,
"What is the meaning of A_L_M ('Alif_LaaM_MiyM) none in the world would know because they do not know the meanings of these letters. These letters and others are the 'abbreviated' letters found at the beginning of 29 of the 114 chapters of the Qur'aan. There have already been about seventy explanations during the last 1400 years which have been mostly nothing but personal understandings with no convincing at all.To sum it up
"The kitaab is the aayaat of ALLAAH (letters of the alphabet) that are all multi-dimensional-space-time-configurations through which ALLAAH brought into the existence everything. The knowledge of the meaning of these letters will unfold to you this great reality. If you know this program then you will know the Arabic language without even learning it just say the word and pass it through the program and you will instantaneously know the meanings of the words. You can put this easily through the test when we begin to enter the Book (al-kitaab). It does not end there but takes us through all of science and mathematics and explains why everything is the way it is including why ALLAAH called himself ALLAAH.Thank you and may ALLAAH give us all the guidance inshaa allaah (if ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD had willed).
Now that peace has prevailed I can continue inshaa allaah. I thank the website Free-Forums for allowing its viewers to be able to read. You have been one of the most tolerant although I also experienced the harshest criticism from some members. Again I am thankful and will deliver on my statements above. And if I fail to deliver within the 10th of the month with the stated conditions, then I will pack my bags and leave in peace inshaa allah.
I will upload shortly inshaa allaah.
wa "alaykum -us-salaam
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SpaceTraveler, IronFist, FearGod...same format hmm hmmShe experiences alternating periods of mania and depression?? Glove is 10X larger buddy.
I was simply applying justamuslim's ridiculous theory to herself, hoping that she would see the error of such flimsy diagnostics. I don't know her well enough to diagnose her of anything, nor do I have the required psychiatric training, just as she has no means by which to diagnose brother al-amiyn. peace