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justamuslim

@al-Amiyr.

You called me a 'deceptive incompetent liar'. You are saying all kinds of things about me - raw, uncouth, unrefined, incompetent. But why? Why are you putting me down like this? Why do you say that I am incompetent and what makes me incompetent?

You know that what you are doing is a form of emotional abuse. Putting someone down like you have been doing and telling me that story about this lady that I reminded you of who got eaten by the tiger, ok this is abusive.

FearGod

Mary, I am not worried about anything. Trust me on that.

Things were obvious and apparent for me from the very start.

i am not Mary,but i like her quote about patience.

You are saying that all things were obvious from the very start to you, maybe because you
are smarter than the others including me of course ,so let us wait and see what will come next
by al-amiyr and then all of us can decide if you were the smarter one.

IAMOP

A question to all

Does the conduct of al-amiyr seem befitting of that of a messenger who abides in the peace of God?

Keeping in mind

Noon. I swear by the pen and what the angels write,
By the grace of your Lord you are not mad.
And most surely you shall have a reward never to be cut off.
And most surely you conform (yourself) to sublime morality.

Personally speaking I am not even remotely close to reaching a true level of peace within God. Yet I have no problems talking to people on a level field, I do not need to throw around accusations of satan and kufr and so and so. So how can someone who claims to know Al-Kitab, to be in touch with the depths of Nirvana altogether, how can they

a.) Respond to juvenile hecklers and give them their time, when the quran REPEATEDLY states to the messenger DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME WITH THE DEAF AND BLIND
b.) Put down people left and right, go into all sorts of diatribes
c.) Not get to the point after so long, when God demands of us that we should be clear and direct in our speech

So tell me...

faruk

Fascinating and interesting stuff. I think sceptics are premature to question al-amiyr's intention. Have patience and let al-amiyr finish his posts. Though some of his claims trouble me , I'm still intersted to read all that he wants to tell. We can and should allways fall back on quran. We should encourage new ideas , not impede or block it.

Confirmed. Please continue al-amiyr.

IAMOP

I agree that the material sounds brilliant. In fact Post 14 was amazing. Yet there are so many holes in this whole story I do not know where to begin. I would simply like to see where this is headed if anything. There is always room to know more.

al-amiyr

Fascinating and interesting stuff. I think sceptics are premature to question al-amiyr's intention. Have patience and let al-amiyr finish his posts. Though some of his claims trouble me , I'm still intersted to read all that he wants to tell. We can and should allways fall back on quran. We should encourage new ideas , not impede or block it.

Confirmed. Please continue al-amiyr.

Thank you faruk

You have always responded like a wise man. First to listen and then to make judgement. What more can human beings expect from each other. With your manner it is easier to explore new ideas and see what is acceptable. You will not be one who will be fooled in the end of the day because you would have patiently given another a fair hearing. That is how the world advances.

Thanks again brother

farida

as salaam alaykum brother al-amiyr
I could not sleep very well as I have been pondering upon this section of lesson 14 Numbers that moves out he called +n and numbers that moves in He called +m. Going out means away from the right way and going in towards the b (the point of the light means going the right way.
In the diagram we see ?m and +n and it took me some time to go back to my school days and remember what it means ?negative and positive
I would request for a bit of explanation on this one.
Salaam

Bender

Salaam Bender

Here is something worth reading for you;
Gentlemen

The starting point of this discussion is my central thesis, which is

DNA is not merely a molecule with a pattern; it is a code, a language, and an information storage mechanism.
All codes are created by a conscious mind; there is no natural process known to science that creates coded information.
Therefore DNA was designed by a mind.

If you can provide an empirical example of a code or language that occurs naturally, you've toppled my proof. All you need is one.

Perry Marshall
....
Let's review where we've been in this thread. I have said

(1) The sequence of base pairs in DNA is a code.

Much effort has been made to discredit this statement, unsuccessfully. This statement is fully and explicitly supported in virtually all of the scientific literature since the 1960s.

(2) All codes that we know the origin of come from a mind.

Much effort has been expended to discredit this statement as well. Assertions have been attempted that gravity, snowflakes, magma flows and the like are codes. But none accurately conforms to Shannon's communication model. Most of the examples cited do not contain an encoding system, and none contain a decoding system.

(3) Therefore DNA came from a mind.

The objection to this statement has been that the conclusion is reached inductively. Complaints have been lodged that inductive reasoning is inherently unreliable. But we do observe that the laws of thermodynamics and in fact the majority of known scientific laws are determined inductively and not deductively. If you wish to throw out inductive reasoning, then we can discard almost all scientific knowledge and start all over again and use rocks and sticks to make fire.

Thus we have, right here on the Infidels discussion forum, after more than 300 posts, robust evidence that life was intelligently designed.

It is not possible for me to persuade people to believe in God if they do not want to; that is not my job. But one can hope that some will follow the evidence, wherever it leads.

Perry Marshall
http//www.vina.cc/news/index.php/General/DNA-proves-the-existence-of-God.html
Salaam

Salaam,

Let's just say that we disagree.

Allah is not a mind and never said that the L represents His mind. And He never taught us the things al-amiyr wants to teach us about Him.
If Perry Marshall or al-amiyr wants to makes such claims about Allah then it's their business, and whoever wants to follow his teachings it's their business. Bear witness that I am free of what he invents about Allah

I asked al-amiyr a very simple question, he doesn't even need to type it, just a simple copy-paste from http//tanzil.net or his favourite site with an arabic Quran. But he was not able to do that. Why hmm

Please take a look at the next vers
693 And who is more wicked than he who invents lies about God, or says "It has been inspired to me," when We did not inspire anything to him; or who says "I will bring down the same as what God has sent down." And if you could only see the wicked at the moments of death when the angels have their arms opened "Bring yourselves out, today you will be given the severest punishment for what you used to say about God without truth, and you used to be arrogant towards His revelations."

As long as he can't back up his claims with ayaats from The Book we call The Quran then it has not more value to me then Bukhari or every other inventor who spread lies about Allah.

I believe I am very clear now on how I think about al-amiyr, so there is no need to convince me about him.
For me it works like this
Claim about Allah or His ayaats => evidence from The Quran
If one can't do this, then he/she is a liar/inventor, very simple.

al-amiyr, if you are reading this
2061 Moses said to them "Woe to you, do not invent lies about God, else the retribution will take you, and miserable is the one who invents."

Salaam and I am out of this discussion,
Bender

farida

This whole thread is complete nonsense. As I am reading this I keep on thinking to myself this is NUTS, completely NUTS.

Anyone who has any common sense will realize that Muslims ought to stay far, far away from this kind of stuff. Just like summoning a jinn isn't technically haram, you'd have to be insane not to know that you should stay as far away as possible from that type of stuff.

Once again, I ask the righteous Muslims to stay away from this as al-amiyr willingly or unwillingly is leading you astray.

Fear Allah and do not carry on reading this thread.

You only registered on this forum four days ago, yet you've taken it upon yourself the role of a SAVIOUR, saying 'fear Allah', whilst instilling fear of a human voodoo Just like summoning a jinn isn't technically haram, you'd have to be insane not to know that you should stay as far away as possible from that type of stuff.

To be honest, this is verging on kufr. Al-amiyr is saying things about which he has no knowledge about Allah amongst other things.

kufr ....you mean denying Your Lord?

Tick below the correct answer;
a; Are you the "Christ"?
or
b;" the Anti-Christ" ?
jedi jedi jedi jedi jedi jedi jedi jedi jedi jedi jedi jedi jedi jedi jedi jedi jedi

Amnew

You are saying that all things were obvious from the very start to you, maybe because you
are smarter than the others including me of course ,so let us wait and see what will come next
by al-amiyr and then all of us can decide if you were the smarter one.

From reading Justamuslim, i think she is definitely smart. Not to mention having the courage to stand up for what she believes in and challenging al-amiyr. I think that at the end, we will all see how she is much smarter than al-amiyr.

farida

From reading Justamuslim, i think she is definitely smart. Not to mention having the courage to stand up for what she believes in and challenging al-amiyr. I think that at the end, we will all see how she is much smarter than al-amiyr.

What about from reading farida ?
Do you not think she is definitely smart ?
You will be surprised there are much smarter ones too yes

Amnew

Fascinating and interesting stuff. I think sceptics are premature to question al-amiyr's intention. Have patience and let al-amiyr finish his posts. Though some of his claims trouble me , I'm still intersted to read all that he wants to tell. We can and should allways fall back on quran. We should encourage new ideas , not impede or block it.

Al-amiyr has made his intentions quite clear. He has repeatedly made himself clear that his aim is to save people from this knowledge that only he posses. I would not say that there are skeptics but smart people here on the forum who see how delusional he is in his thinking. It is called grandiose delusion with religious overtones. Al-amiyr clearly suffers from religious grandiosity. His claims of humility are obviously superficial.

Amnew

What about from reading farida ?
Do you not think she is definitely smart ?
You will be surprised there are much smarter ones too yes

I think you are up there with al-amiyr. Deeply disturbed individual from reading your posts. I truly believe and I say this in the nicest way, you need psychiatric help.

farida

I think you are up there with al-amiyr. . I truly believe and .

Of course I am al-amiyr's foremost student

Deeply disturbed individual from reading your posts

deeply disturbing YOU police

I say this in the nicest way, you need psychiatric help

oR rather nastiest way YOU need this jedi

SpaceTraveler

I think you are up there with al-amiyr. Deeply disturbed individual from reading your posts. I truly believe and I say this in the nicest way, you need psychiatric help.

Is this the way to address a lady? Don't you have any valid arguments. Must you resort to psycho tactics? Are you trying to mentally scare farida off? . Don't act like a wimp.

Amnew

Is this the way to address a lady? Don't you have any valid arguments. Must you resort to psycho tactics? Are you trying to mentally scare farida off? . Don't act like a wimp.

You assumed I was a man. This is the danger of Internet as you are faceless, anonymous.

-You can assume any persona.

Person can create a biography with pictures which is not true self.
One can create multiple accounts under different names, gender, etc.
someone like al-amiyr who clearly has religious grandiosity needs supporters. he goes to a forum and gets a feel for the forum. And then he talks to the audience.
If there is no response or finds the existing members not buying his story or he is transparent to some or most of the members, he creates other accounts posing as a different person to get more support.
He clicks on the threads thousands of time himself to make it seem how in a short period, he has garnered such interest. Online offers security as you cannot pull this off in person.

The administrators have a way of determining if the different accounts are coming from the same persons. Some think they are smart my using different computers.

Internet connects people forging friendships. But also be aware of persons like al-amiyr and his supporters who may all be one and the same using different accounts.

I suggest that justamuslim, bender, savage-carrot, mmkhan and others like yourselves to ignore al-amiyr. He needs your attention. Best thing to do is ignorer him. He has been in several forums doing the same thing. Some of you have already done a search. I will expose of him and his "supporters" from other forums here who have not or don't have the time for.

al-amiyr has taken up seed here in this forum. Either he has brought his followers or has created different accounts with names like this member. Don't fall victim to these kinds of persons who may truly believe in their own lies. Keep in mind and be aware that there are people with some severe psychiatric disorders. And also be aware of cult leaders or wanna-be's online some of whom are very subtle and highly skillful knowing how to exploit the general characteristics of those who are believers.

Man_of_Faith

Peace,

I believe the tone is utterly bad in this thread.

Only the weak-minded will fall prey to Satan's attempts to mislead.

Personally I feel the thread author's words are very incoherent and it can come a post which does not evolve the topic at all, just a ramble of words.

Any honest person would first clearly show the main goals with the study and come up with a clear topic and description.

Now I will not call anyone insane or use bad language because God has forbidden me from such thing. The truth speaks for itself.

If people want to believe in things which has no basis, let them do it. And being from Muhammad's family does not mean being righteous. Abraham asked God to make his offspring righteous and God replied that His covenant does not guarantee those righteousness if they do not follow His law.

I did not baselessly criticize here, I used what I have observed. The posts are confusing and could be laid up better. It is by no means a personal attack. I just wanted people, including me, to understand better.

May God show mercy upon us.

farida

You assumed I was a man. This is the danger of Internet as you are faceless, anonymous.

Actually you are man hater enemy of Adam and his progeny

al-amiyr

Omninescience was the 'knowledge' of the people of the Era of Pure Ignorance.
Myths and Superstitions
infiltrated that Vacuum of Knowledgelessness
And set up in there wake
Democracies of Totalitarian Falsehoods.
Misguided Ignorance
began
its Autocratic Reign
And started to transform the minds of the people into
Faculties of Every Irrationality.

Truth has arrived with
the sword of reason to slay falsehood
and
to establish its Dominion over where it rightfully belongs.

Just have a little more patience inshaa allaah.

<- - - R - - ->

justamuslim

Now I will not call anyone insane or use bad language because God has forbidden me from such thing. The truth speaks for itself.

Last month, a 20 year old man in the States shot and killed his mother, then went to elementary school with assault gun killing 20 children who were 6 and 7 years old and 6 teachers who tried to stop him.

Saying that this 20 year old man was insane and suffering from mental illness is not a personal attack on him or something that God forbids. People described him as agent of evil, mentally ill, very disturbed, a loner, etc. They were not personally attacking him but describing him - man of faith.

Personal attack is calling you names if you don't do what I tell you or want you to do or if you disagree with me. If i put you down as a way of controlling you, devaluing or demeaning you, this is wrong and yes, it is something that God forbids. It is called emotional abuse.

Here's a good website to check out http//eqi.org/eabuse1.htm to learn more. It is not a personal attack to describe, highlight someone's behavior and actions.

Al-amiyr called me "raw", "uncouth" "incompetent" when I questioned him. Look at how he has reacted to all those who disagreed with him, stood up to him, pointing out his behavior, or critiquing him.

al-amiyr has shown symptoms of someone suffering from religious delusions or grandiosity. I googled searched profiles of cult leaders and a good read
http//www.psychologytoday.com/blog/spycatcher/201208/dangerous-cult-leaders.