Questions about al-amiyr

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Questions about al-amiyr
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Thread originator = "justmuslim"
respondent al-amiyr

"I am opening up this thread as I am sure others especially the lurkers might have the same questions about al-amiyr"
-"I have lot of questions ..."
-"I am asking simple straight forward questions..."
-"You don't have to answer all at once."
-"If you don't answer, I would like to know why?"

This all resulted out of The Entering The Hidden Book - - - - - - - - - -> ishaa allaah Thread ( http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604789.0 ) Although I asked many questions to facilitate the understanding of the subject "justmuslim" never answered any of them and wrote a Reply #2 and I quote'

I do find it absolutely necessary to comment. Seems like you have already mesmerized few here who are eagerly awaiting your next posts or book. I see right through and not one to fall for it.

If you want to be taken seriously, I suggest that you talk less as a magician. (al-amiyr's emphasis)

Satan understands people very well and knows how to talk and how to manipulate. Taking truth and combining it with fabrications is an artful and very effective way of how satan leads people astray.

Being careful not to offend wanting to be open minded and accepting, people are often afraid to stand up and question people like Al-Amyr. I am not as it is God who guides me, showing me the right path and teaching me the truth. I am not taken in by flowery words and charms having a veil over my eyes.

I see how Al-amyr is so skillful in his word usage and how he dismisses critics. When mmkhan questioned him being critical, al-Amyr put him down by letting him know of his disappointment. Of course, mmkhan is a nice guy and he reacted with apologies.
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Claiming to come from the family of the prophet as a means of establishing credibility is another tactic. (al-amiyr's emphasis)

Farida, as you state that you are a wise woman who has seen a lot, have you verified this claim made by al-Amyr about his lineage not that it makes his claims any more credible? He makes claims and has anyone here asked for evidence and proof of his claims?

Clearly, he has gained quite a few supporters here who will jump to his defense.

@farida. Before you respond to my post, let me state that I am not in need of al-amyrs hidden knowledge to be astonished and enlightened. For anyone to even insinuate that prophet muhammed had certain knowledge which has been kept hidden only passed on from one generation to next is a serious allegation and just blasphemous.

as-salaamu "alaykum

I have now spent about 15 hours checking and studying posts by justmuslim concerning everything she wrote about al-amiyr. In those posts she repeatedly asks why I do not answer her questions. I have therefore collected all her questions which number over fifty and will respond to each one inshaa allaah. Her main objection surrounded this statement I made and I quote,

I have already said that this knowledge was handed down to me by my father from his father through 44 generations back to the prophet (S+). We are the historical Al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy family stem of the prophet, one son after the other, and all great scholars who gave guidance to most of the khaliyfs who ruled the Islaamic world. There is none in the world who have this knowledge but our family and we teach it to the people and then they realize who we are. It is coming to the public now for the first time in 1400 years. Just continue to follow and read and then you will see what will appear before your own eyes. It is as simple as that.

Thanks
al-amiyr.

Justmuslim quoted the above statement and replied and I quote,

As you claim that this knowledge was handed down from the prophet, what evidence do you have to support your claim?

Let's start with you first. Why don't you tell us who you are? Your full name? where were you born and when? Your place of birth? What is your background? When did you start learning of this knowledge? Who taught you this knowledge? As you claim that you stem from the prophet, what proof do you have of your claims? Historical documents and accounts. Name all of persons of your lineage who had the knowledge and transmitted this knowledge.

You mention that this knowledge was transmitted from one son after the other. What son of the prophet was it first transmitted to and who did this son then transmit this knowledge to?

Was this knowledge written down or transmitted orally?

As you claim that this knowledge stems from the prophet Muhammed, how did he get this knowledge? On his own or from God? Are you saying that Muhammed kept this knowledge to his family only? Why? Who did prophet Muhammed share this knowledge with? Why did he not make it public if this knowledge carries such significance?

And who are the great scholars who you speak of that had this knowledge and gave guidance to the rulers of the Islamic world? Can you please name them?

You say that this knowledge was kept a secret in your family but in other place did you say that they were persecuted for it? You have opened so many threads that I just want to be sure that I am not missing what you are saying and understand you correctly. What you are saying is that for 1400 years your family kept this knowledge a secret and only now you are making it public? Why did they keep this knowledge a secret? How many individuals have known about this secret in the family through the generation?

You said that you have been in other forums teaching your knowledge. When did you decide to go public and why now when your family has kept it a secret for so many generations and for 1400 years? What lead you to share your knowledge to others now?

Given how this knowledge has been transmitted from generation to generation for 1400 years, the descendants of the prophet are large in number. So how many of the descendants of the prophet have this knowledge? What other family members besides you have this knowledge? Or are you the only one? Are other family members also disseminating this knowledge?

Given that this knowledge that you have will change humanity, why don't you publish it in a book or create a website disseminating your info to ALL of humanity instead of going from one website to others? Do you have a website or youtube link? Have you or your followers published this knowledge? Why not?

In order to verify your claims, I am sure you wouldn't have problems providing the answers to the questions that I ask which are simple and straight forward.

You said that this knowledge is not your own and comes from the prophet Muhammed. Prove your claims with evidence which should be simple enough.

I think that all justmuslim's questions are fair and valid. If these questions cannot be answered then she has won the case and al-amiyr has been defeated. But if al-amiyr has answered all these questions then she is faced with making the correct choice which she knows what the consequences of the wrong decision will be.

May ALLAAH guide all of us inshaa allaah.

wa "alaykum-us-salaam
As-sayyid kamaal-ud-diyn (al-amiyr) muhammad abdullaah abuw bakr zuburi (zobri) bakkah (becket) - effendi al-kaabiy al-khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.
( 1384 - ? ) / ( 1964 - ? )
ibn (son of)
As-sayyid rushd-ud-diyn (al-amiyr) abdullaah abuw bakr - effendi al-kaabiy al-khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.
( 1341 - 1412 ) / ( 1923 - 1992 )
ibn (son of)
As-sayyid 'alaa'-ud-diyn (al-amiyr) muhammad - effendi al-kaabiy al-khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.
( 1286 - 1375 ) / ( 1870 - 1956 )
ibn (son of)
As-sayyid al-bahr-ul-muhaqqaq al-hibr-ul-mudaqqaq shaykh-ul-"ilm shaykh-ul-islaam muftiy al-'arba"-ul-'a'immah (al-amiyr) abdullaah abuw bakr - effendi al-khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.
( 1229 - 1297) / ( 1814 - 1880 )
ibn (son of)
As-sayyid aS-Salabiyy (al-amiyr) mullaa "umar - effendi al-kaabiy al-khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.

I will begin by my great grandfather who was the renowned scholar said to be by many the most knowledgeable man alive in his day. A man the rulers of the earth respected. Better known as Abu Bakr Effendi(in English) and Ebubekir Efendi in Turkish. You can read about him on the internet (but most of the knowledge is still in books and manuscripts).

Here is a documentary produced a few years ago by a department of the Turkish Government and a part of it on Youtube. But before watching read the following short introduction why he came to South Africa.

During the last ten years members of The Turkish Government (including Prime Minister Erdogan and Foreign Minister Davutoglu) came to South Africa.One of the first things they requested was to go to the grave of The Shaykh of Knowledge As_sayyid Abdullaah Abu Bakr Effendi al-khushnaawiy al-Qurashiy al-Amjadiy (1814-1880). This was reported in both the South African and Turkish Media.The Shaykh of Knowledge is buried on the world famous Signal Hill that is the abdomen part of a mountain shaped in the form of a crouching lion which lies next to The World Renowned Table Mountain (now voted by humanity and declared a seventh wonder of the world and said to be the most wondrous mountain in the world). The history of The Shaykh of Knowledge, his ancestry and his coming to South Africa has been described by historians and other writers as amazing and crying out to be written. It all started like this when the Muslims of The Colony of The Cape of Good Hope wrote a letter to the Governor as follows.

A unique historical event
On 16 April 1862
The Muslims of The Colony of The Cape of Good Hope
Cape Town
South Africa
wrote a letter to the Governor as follows.
"As it is well known, 85 years ago some of Javenese islands fell into the hands of
The Dutch Government.
Our fathers were all tied up in chains, enslaved and brought here.
We were afflicted with suffering and problems;
the Honourable British Empire set us free from the slavery of the previous government
and gave us our liberty.
For that, we thank the empire for it's help and grace, and in case of necessity,
it is incumbent upon us to sacrifice ourselves for it's cause.
We once again express our thanks and gratitude.
It is obvious that each nation has to know and apply it's religion and way of life and practice.
But
we forgot our language of origin, the language of Javenese,
the books and treatises are all written in that language and therefore
we obviously need a teacher to read and teach them.
Since the situation is like this
it is requested to bring
a scholar-teacher from a Muslim country
in order to teach and train us."

16 Shawwaal 1278 (16 April 1862)
Signature
Muslim people
Cape of Good Hope

Omar Lutfi " A travelogue of my journey to The Cape of Good hope. p.7.
translated by Yusuf Kavakci

The Governor replied to the Muslims that it was not an easy matter for him and it had to be referred to Her Majesty Queen Victoria for Approval. ... The Governor's letter with the petition of the Muslims arrived at Queen Victoria's Government and it was discussed in parliament and recommendations were made. They then sent The letter to The Khalif of The Sunni World Sultan Abdul Aziz and The High Council of Islamic Affairs..................... It was Decided that the best person for the undertaking would be The Shaykh of Knowledge and The Shaykh of Islaam Abu Bakr Effendi(as he is mostly known). On 01 October 1862 The Shaykh of Knowledge left The Ottoman Islamic Khilafat in a ship from Istanbul bound for The Western World (it has been said that it was the first time in history that such an event took place between a Muslim government and a Christian one).
The Shaykh of Knowledge arrived in London on the 15 October 1862 and later at the palace of Queen Victoria where he met Lord Chamberlain who was waiting for his arrival. After spending one and a half months there he left on 01 December 1862 for The Colony of the Cape of Good Hope, Cape Town, South Africa.
The Shaykh of Knowledge arrived in Cape Town in the early morning of the 13th of January 1863 where soon all the prominent Imams of the Muslims came to welcome him. A photograph of the Shaykh with all the prominent Muslims leaders was taken and believed to be the oldest photograph of Muslims in South Africa if not its oldest dated in the country.

short Youtube Video of my great grandfather

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IziN0pbWDY

justamuslim

I think that all justmuslim's questions are fair and valid. If these questions cannot be answered then she has won the case and al-amiyr has been defeated. But if al-amiyr has answered all these questions then she is faced with making the correct choice which she knows what the consequences of the wrong decision will be.

Noticed how you referred yourself in the third person - interesting.

So is this how al-Amiyr sees things - a game about winning and being defeated?

farida

.. I just saw that in other thread. Ok al-Amiyr, PLEASE do not get sidetracked. Stay focused on your posts and my questions which shouldn't take much time. Remember just one or two questions in the next 9 days and God willing we will all come to see!

So al-Amiyr, just ignore StopS for now please and stay focused.

I just saw in other thread question for you. PLEASE do not get sidetracked. So just ignore for now please and stay focused
Salaam

Amnew

Noticed how you referred yourself in the third person - interesting.

So is this how al-Amiyr sees things - a game about winning and being defeated?

Justamuslim - Speaking in third person is a symptom of dissociative personality disorder, also known as multiple personality disorder.

Have you noticed al-amiyr speaking in the third person in other places? I will go through his previous posts and check.

Very observant justamuslim! You noticed and found this behavior of al-amiyr's to be "interesting". Could you care to elaborate? Did his behavior strike you as being outside of normalcy? Curious to know your thoughts.

farida

Justamuslim - Speaking in third person is a symptom of dissociative personality disorder, also known as multiple personality disorder.

Have you noticed al-amiyr speaking in the third person in other places? I will go through his previous posts and check.

Very observant justamuslim! You noticed and found this behavior of al-amiyr's to be "interesting". Could you care to elaborate? Did his behavior strike you as being outside of normalcy? Curious to know your thoughts.

So is this how YOU sees things - a game about whining and being defeated?
jedi

Amnew

So is this how YOU sees things - a game about whining and being defeated?
jedi

Could you explain yourself?

SpaceTraveler

Could you explain yourself?

This fighter of ladies just lost his mind.

Amnew

This fighter of ladies just lost his mind.

Fighter of ladies? I see how you react to someone who exposes al-amiyr. So anyone who points out his behavior and actions are held in contempt and put downs.

Again those who are not aware of or not familiar with persons with personality disorders in particular those suffering from religious grandiosity, notice how al-amiyr and his supporters respond to anyone who stands up, challenges, disagrees or exposes their behavior and characteristics. Justamuslim points that out when she first stood up in the thread on how shaytan works.

Amnew

Justamuslim, don't waste your time with al-amiyr. He is not going to answer your questions. he will say a whole bunch of things like he did with his family tree but never gave you a straight forward answers. whatever answers he does provide will be lies. Read my other postings. I suspect that you have figured this guy out but not really sure with your recent postings......

You have identified certain characteristics and behaviors about him. Something doesn't feel right about him to you - does it? Pay attention to that. Yes, this is all a game for al-amiyr. He likes and needs all this attention. By responding to him, you are feeding him and giving him what he craves. YES, he is manipulating you, trying to get you to do what he wants you to do. He is trying to control the situation by asking you to respond to his lesson in exchange for answering your questions. Don't fall for it.

You know how satan works. I know that you do. So stay smart and be firm in your faith. Do not respond to al-amiyr and his "supporters". Don't feed him with attention and don't waste your time. And why should you listen to me? I have background in psychiatry. But you don't have to take my word for it. You can discover on your own. You are a smart girl.

justamuslim

@amnew

I will read all of your other posts. I just got to read a couple. I am just exhausted. Had a very long day. I can barely keep my eyes open now and most certainly can't think straight. Gosh, this has been going on and on. I am getting to the point of not caring. I logged in to see if al-amiyr answered my questions but of course, disappointed again. brickwall I think you are right that if he hasn't answered my simple straight forward questions by now then he is not going to. Well, I am going to bed now as my eyes are starting to cross here.

Anyhow, thanks for your concerns. May I ask what you mean by having a background in psychiatry? Are you a psychiatrist? Are you a non-hadith follower? I dont think i saw your intro. forgive me if you did, but i am really exhausted now. What made you decide to join this forum? Would like to know and it would help to know who you are. Hopefully, you will answer my questions. Ok I really need to be in bed now. Goodnight.

GODsubmitter

Justamuslim, don't waste your time with al-amiyr. He is not going to answer your questions. he will say a whole bunch of things like he did with his family tree but never gave you a straight forward answers. whatever answers he does provide will be lies. Read my other postings. I suspect that you have figured this guy out but not really sure with your recent postings......

You have identified certain characteristics and behaviors about him. Something doesn't feel right about him to you - does it? Pay attention to that. Yes, this is all a game for al-amiyr. He likes and needs all this attention. By responding to him, you are feeding him and giving him what he craves. YES, he is manipulating you, trying to get you to do what he wants you to do. He is trying to control the situation by asking you to respond to his lesson in exchange for answering your questions. Don't fall for it.

You know how satan works. I know that you do. So stay smart and be firm in your faith. Do not respond to al-amiyr and his "supporters". Don't feed him with attention and don't waste your time. And why should you listen to me? I have background in psychiatry. But you don't have to take my word for it. You can discover on your own. You are a smart girl.

The whole publicity around this @al-amiyr issue starts looking like a childish, immature game...

I sense something doesn't feel quite right about it all...

I think Satan cannot do nothing to someone who doesn't succumb to his/her own "evil inclination".

In one of the very first appearances of @al-amyir, member @StopS wrote

Are you just going on with posting page by page after page for the next 2 years, promising explanations later and later while piling up the claims?

Your claims are laughable and wrong. They are not scientific. They are spiritual mumbo-jumbo. You are repeating and repeating yourself without any factual base.

Why can't you make one (1) claim, explain it and show that you know what you are doing? You have no clue what cosmology is and just want to mislead people with your nonsensical claims.

I have asked you some factual questions. It seems you are not only clueless in cosmogony but also unable to answer really simple, factual questions.

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604738.msg315355#msg315355

The bold parts (underlined by me) starts to take relevance to me, after I've read all @al-amyir's posts...

I still dunno what to think... confused

BUT

I take refuge into the Allah, and God, blessed be He, from Satan the rejected!

Glory be to God, the Exalted One, the Eternal One, the One Who is far away from anything they might ascribe to Him!

peace

Amnew

I sense something doesn't feel quite right about it all...

I still dunno what to think... confused

Your senses are definitely right! What is it that is confusing to you? What is confusing to you might also be confusing to someone else. By talking aloud, you could help others who also dont know. Perhaps I or someone else can help in addressing what you are unsure of.

My advice place your trust in God only always and firmly. God will never lead you astray. And it is God who guides you, delivering you from darkness not this al-amiyr person who is suffering from delusions with religious overtones - has psychiatric disorder. There are people who suffer from mental illness as defined by DSM IV. I am familiar as I have training in psychiatry. I joined this forum to point his behavior and exposing him to people who don't know or not aware.

Amnew

Godsubmitter, letting you know that i cannot help if your confusion is over number and Arabic letters/language. Keep in mind that the postings are coming from a person who is suffering from mental disorder. Read about cult leaders and religious delusions.

good_logic

Peace Amnew.

By all means refute al-amiyr, give your views and opinions. However most brothers and sisters in this forum trust in God Alone. They will make up their own mind.

They are not going to follow you, me, al-amiyr or anyone else when it comes to "Deen".

They have God and His word.

But thanks anyway.

Peace.

Man_of_Faith

Peace,

Please let this al-amiyr be, we just pollute this forum with posts of personal attacks. Only the weak-minded will fall victim to the incoherent language he uses. The ideas are poorly articulated and makes it just sound like someone who has been smoking too much funny stuff. Unless the main ideas are not more clearly laid out no intelligent being will take them seriously.

Sick or not sick, it is difficult to diagnose on such a brief study. Even if it seems that he suffers from delusions of grandeur.

May God forgive us.

al-amiyr

@amnew

I will read all of your other posts. I just got to read a couple. I am just exhausted. Had a very long day. I can barely keep my eyes open now and most certainly can't think straight. Gosh, this has been going on and on. I am getting to the point of not caring. I logged in to see if al-amiyr answered my questions but of course, disappointed again. brickwall I think you are right that if he hasn't answered my simple straight forward questions by now then he is not going to. Well, I am going to bed now as my eyes are starting to cross here.

Anyhow, thanks for your concerns. May I ask what you mean by having a background in psychiatry? Are you a psychiatrist? Are you a non-hadith follower? I dont think i saw your intro. forgive me if you did, but i am really exhausted now. What made you decide to join this forum? Would like to know and it would help to know who you are. Hopefully, you will answer my questions. Ok I really need to be in bed now. Goodnight.

But look at the compromise we made but now you seem to speak a different tone. Tell me why? Is it because you are about to see that all your questions are going to be answered.
Do you know that I spent 15 hours working on your questions. You asked me to answer one or two per day. I did not just give you a short silly answer but also began providing you with backed up facts.
Remember one thing and that is that ALLAAH is aware of all our actions. Let me remind you of our agreement which you yourself wrote online for all the world to read.

I think this a good compromise. Don't get me wrong, I too want to read all of your 20 posts. I would appreciate if you could also help me along by answering one of my simple questions one day at a time. It is like you read the Koran but you also want to know who prophet Muhammed was. Just the same, I want to know who you are.

Actually, I think that I have not asked you nearly all the questions that I asked about prophet Muhammed and other messengers. Were they all suffering from delusional religious grandiosity? It is by way of questioning we learn and come to the truth. Don't you agree?

I am eagerly awaiting to read your posts and answers to my questions. So continue on. I am dying to know about your educational background. What is your profession? Do you hold degrees? You seem so highly intelligent.

My dear sister be wise. All my forefathers up to the prophet (S+) were teachers of ALLAAH and His Qur"aan. Almost all the prophets in the Qur'aan are linked to one family. ALLAAH says that His sunnah will never change. One of the ways in which to identify false prophets is to see if they possess a genealogy. Do not take risks. Your entire future is at stake if you do that. Make the right choice! Seek the knowledge! Do not accept what I have to say. First listen and study and then draw your own conclusions based on knowledge. Do you think that it is right for any body to advise someone else not even to give another a hearing? I leave that thought with you.

May ALLAAH guide all inshaa allaah.

savage_carrot

Do you know that I spent 15 hours working on your questions. You asked me to answer one or two per day. I did not just give you a short silly answer but also began providing you with backed up facts.
Perhaps like IAMOP mentioned, one could work on disseminating the so called knowledge instead of wasting time. Unless that's the game plan 'I'll just claim these agents of ShayTaan waylaid me'...seeing as how allegedly it's in the blood to pass the knowledge on, spending time on diatribes and exchanging volleys doesn't seem like the best way to execute one's mission in life... or to be unaware of distractions and not stay focused when al amiyr himself claims we must beware such.

IronFist

Perhaps like IAMOP mentioned, one could work on disseminating the so called knowledge instead of wasting time. Unless that's the game plan 'I'll just claim these agents of ShayTaan waylaid me'...seeing as how allegedly it's in the blood to pass the knowledge on, spending time on diatribes and exchanging volleys doesn't seem like the best way to execute one's mission in life... or to be unaware of distractions and not stay focused when al amiyr himself claims we must beware such.

Well I agree. I think al-amiyr must not get involved in these kind of debates. I joined the forum to learn more.Recommended by a friend who knows al-amiyr. I live near cape town am not Moslem but I am eager to learn more about various religions. I have also asked two friends to join but these petty fights is a put off.

farida

Well I agree. I think al-amiyr must not get involved in these kind of debates. I joined the forum to learn more.Recommended by a friend who knows al-amiyr. I live near cape town am not Moslem but I am eager to learn more about various religions. I have also asked two friends to join but these petty fights is a put off.

Salaam

Have you seen the sudden campaigns against brother al-amiyr. This was predicted by him in "ShayTaan And His Allies In The World's Forums" thread. Do not worry insha allaah no more tricks by ShayTeen will work.
True believers will rejoice

The Sword of Truth has arrived to slay falsehood
and
to establish its dominion over where it rightfully belongs.

Salaam

al-amiyr

Salaam

Have you seen the sudden campaigns against brother al-amiyr. This was predicted by him in "ShayTaan And His Allies In The World's Forums" thread. Do not worry insha allaah no more tricks by ShayTeen will work.
True believers will rejoice

The Sword of Truth has arrived to slay falsehood
and
to establish its dominion over where it rightfully belongs.

Salaam

as-salaamu "alaykum sister farida

Thanks always to support the knowledge of ALLAAH as He wrote it in the Qur'aan. Until in the tenth of this month I have a mission to prove as outlined on the first. But since that very moment the onslaughts began one after the other. Strange that none actually challenged the knowledge that I presented. That in itself must tell you something. Have you seen the latest campaign to declare me a madman. I feel honored by it. Did you know that every messenger that ALLAAH sent into the world was declared madmen. The only exception to this was the people of Jonah.
This will be my last response. Two subjects will be the focus of my attention inshaa allaah. ALL those who are waiting for the knowledge can keep this as my final word inshaa allaah.

wa "alaykum-us-salaam.