Hadith and Sunnah are not part of Islam????!!!!!
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Salaam "Azz",
I quite enjoyed your post-did not note any grammatical errors either!
- And as for those of you who doubt the authenticity of Hadith let me know and I will give you my opinion on that
Others have stated what I feel about the hadith better than how I could word it, I'll let you reply to them. Like I said, I'm monitoring this thread.
I am interested to know your opinion on the authenticity of "hadith. Thank you in advance.
Salaam.
- And as for those of you who doubt the authenticity of Hadith let me know and I will give you my opinion on that
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Salaam "Azz",
I quite enjoyed your post-did not note any grammatical errors either! )
I am interested to know your opinion on the authenticity of "hadith. Thank you in advance.
Salaam.
Salaam,
All I'm familiar with are parts of the two Sahih books, Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, so everything I say applies to those two only, I suppose.
Despite the weakness of the human memory and the long time gap between the saying of these statements and the time they were actually recorded, I think a lot of it could very well be authentic. Maybe. I'll be honest, I'm not that knowledgable on "the science of Hadith".
I do know that Muhammad prohibited the recording of his affairs (outside what Allah revealed to him, which was collected in the Qu'ran of course) his entire life, others have already brought that point up. I refuse to believe that Allah would allow Muhammad to prevent his personal life to be recorded if it would be so beneficial to the muslim community - he was reprimanded by Allah for the far more trivial act of turning away from a blind man when he was busy doing something else (beginning of Surah Abasa/80). Saying that "Muhammad prevented records of his personal life only in order to have people focus on the Quran and that when people were ready, they started working on the hadith" seems to imply weakness in Allah, if that were true. Seriously, if we were supposed to roleplay the Prophet to such a large extent, there'd be a lot more about his personal life in the Qu'ran - doesn't anyone else find that odd? I don't think what I'm saying is all that illogical or anything.
Peace.
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I agree with you that we are obey the messenger. Can you provide me with just one hadith that are the sayings of the prophet Muhammed? One narration of prophet Muhammed.
I like to start from here. And welcome aboard!
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In the Holy Quran, we are told that Muhammad(SAW) was given the Quran and the Wisdom to understand and explain it to us. We are ordered to obey him(SAW) and accept whatever he(SAW) gives us and abstain from whatever he(SAW) forbids us , because he only conveyed what was given to him by Allah(SWT) .
Salaam,
Red Can you please give us an aayat on your claim?
Unfortunately, all the aayaats quoted above are wrongly quoted. None of the aayaats says the word "Muhammad". If you want to understand what I am saying and how people twist and play with the word of Allah, please click here to see how many aayaats are misused to prove so called sunnah.
May Allah protect us and guide us to His only path pr
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Salaam,
Red Can you please give us an aayat on your claim?
Unfortunately, all the aayaats quoted above are wrongly quoted. None of the aayaats says the word "Muhammad". If you want to understand what I am saying and how people twist and play with the word of Allah, please click here to see how many aayaats are misused to prove so called sunnah.
May Allah protect us and guide us to His only path pr
mmKhanAlthough Muhammed is not named in proper, it is understood that the person being referred to in the verses is prophet Muhammed.
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Although Muhammed is not named in proper, it is understood that the person being referred to in the verses is prophet Muhammed.
Agreed,
There are many inferences in the Quran that are to be understood in context.
The big crunch
"That Day We will fold up heaven like folding up the pages of a book. As We originated the first creation so We will regenerate it. It is a promise binding on Us. That is what We will do." (Surah 21104).
Peace
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Although Muhammed is not named in proper, it is understood that the person being referred to in the verses is prophet Muhammed.
Salaam justamuslim,
Can you proof it with alQuraan? Do you have any aayaats to support your understanding? Please share with us if you do, because I don't have any.
Yes, people understood so, but without any supporting aayat except conjectures.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
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Salaam justamuslim,
Can you proof it with alQuraan? Do you have any aayaats to support your understanding? Please share with us if you do, because I don't have any.
Yes, people understood so, but without any supporting aayat except conjectures.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
mmKhanSorry may I ask that you please hold your questions for the next 9 days
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"Nor does he (Muhammad) speak of his own desire. It is only an Inspiration that is inspired." .
"Indeed, Allah conferred a great favour on the believers when He sent among them a Messenger from among themselves, reciting unto them His Verses (the Qur'an), and purifying them, and instructing them (in) the Book (the Qur'an) and Al-Hikmah (the wisdom and the Sunnah of the Prophe), while before that they had been in manifest error." .
"Say (to them O Muhammad SAAW) If you love Allah, follow me, and Allah will love you, and forgive you your sins; Allah is All-Forgiving, All-Merciful. Say Obey Allah, and the Messenger (SAAW), but if they turn away (then know), that Allah loves not the infidels." .
So let those beware who dissent from the Prophet's order, lest fitnah strike them or a painful punishment. (An Nur 63)
"You have indeed a good example in the Messenger of Allah (SAAW) for whosoever hopes for Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much." .
"It is not for any believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger) have decreed a matter, to have the choice in their affair. And whosoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger (SAAW) he has gone astray into manifest error." .
"But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad) judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against your decisions, but accept (them) fully with submission." .
Whoever obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys Allah, and whoever turns back, so We have not sent you as a keeper over them. (Surah An-Nisa, 80)
"And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from." (surat al hashr 6)
You know, the Prophet himself warned us of this 'time" when people reject him
The Prophet said, ?There will come a time when a man sitting upon his couch is told a hadeeth and he replies, ?Between us and you is the Book of Allah, the Mighty and Majestic. What we find in it to be lawful, we take as lawful and what we find in it to be forbidden, we take as forbidden.? Indeed, what the Messenger of Allah has forbidden is like what Allah has forbidden.?
Allah subhanoo Wa' Tala could easily have sent us only the Qur'an as a book, but He didn't. He chose to send us a Messenger to be an actual living example to us and to teach us what the Book was saying.
To fully understand the Qur'an, we simply cannot separate between the Sunnah and the Qur'an
First you quoted many verses that you claim imply that there is a second revelation that came to Muhammad. This was the claim made by Al Shafi in his risala. However you must understand these are not explicit verses since you are assuming that any reference to obeying the prophet is based on an external source from the Quran. You must also try to interpret these verses with the many verses of the Quran that says the Quran is a guidance to mankind. There is no explicit reference in the Quran of any external source we are to accept except the previous scriptures.
Plus you also did not seperate between hadiths. What kind of hadiths are we talking about? Hadiths that contradict the Quran or hadiths that makes binding what the Quran did not? Not all hadiths are the same.
I guess before you talk about hadiths, you must first talk about what role does the Quran play.
What is the role of the Quran for you when we talk about Islam and the Muhammedan message?
What are the issues the Quran must address and what are the issues that is left for the Sunnah?
What exactly is the role of the Sunnah?
This is a good way to discuss the issue and not talk about Sunnah generally since Quranist differ from Muslims not from just accepting the Sunnah but also to what extent.
So when you say that we can not understand the Quran without the Sunnah than what aspects does the Sunnah explains in the Quran and what aspects does it not? What are the issues the Quran explains itself and what are the issues it does not explain?
A Sunni explantion goes like this
"The Sunnah comes in agreement with the Quran. It explains the meanings of what is unclear in the text, provides details for what is depicted in general terms, specifies what is general, and explains its injunctions and objectives. The Sunnah also comes with injunctions that are not provided by the Quran, but these are always in harmony with its principles, and they always advance the objectives that are outlined in the Quran"
Think about what is said here.
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Sorry may I ask that you please hold your questions for the next 9 days
peacePeace farida,
For next 9 days? hmm Is something gonna happen within these 9 days or after these 9 days? Oh! Sorry for questions again. BTW, my questions were addressed to justamuslim not you.
May Allah bless you,
mmKhan