Why believe if we cannot prove God scientifically?
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Why believe if God cannot be proved scientifically?
That is a very good question!
Why should I believe in something when there is no scientifically proven evidence for it? Well the truth is I mostly don?t. I don?t believe in fairies, big foot, the loch ness monster and leprechauns. I also don?t believe in magic and alot of other crazy claims like alien sightings. Why? Well lets be honest here. There is no scientifically proven evidence for it!
Why do I believe in God? The truth is I really don?t know. Is it because I was born into a Muslim family and have therefore been religiously indoctrinated? Most probably ? but even though I know this I still believe in a God and I can not explain this. Thats how powerful indroctrination is! Weird that i know this but still believe. But that?s just me.
If I were born into a Christian, jewish, hindu, sikh or buddist family I would have followed those religions. That is also scary ? im just glad I weren?t born into a scientologist family because that religion is just nuts!
Whilst I believe in a God I do not agree with any of the religious texts. People say there are no errors in the Quran. I disagree. There are some very fundamental errors in the Quran.
- For me the existence of Evolution means the creation story of Adam and Eve can not be true. Why because there is no first Man and Woman. Woman created from a mans rib?? really??
- Jesus was born of a virgin mother. Seriously? Unless IVF were available 2013 years ago I seriously doubt this. And if a woman today tried to claim her son was born from God and she had no IVF or been with another man which of you would believe this?
- Noahs Ark ? again seriously!? All those animals on one boat? Really? ? Even children have a hard time believing this one.
Someone very wise once said ?extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".
If it is the truth you really seek then you must be prepared to ask courageous questions and question why it is you believe what you believe.
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Peace Amm.
You might have already read this?
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If you have, ignore .
Peace.
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Why believe if God cannot be proved scientifically?
That is a very good question!- For me the existence of Evolution means the creation story of Adam and Eve can not be true. Why because there is no first Man and Woman. Woman created from a mans rib?? really??
- Jesus was born of a virgin mother. Seriously? Unless IVF were available 2013 years ago I seriously doubt this. And if a woman today tried to claim her son was born from God and she had no IVF or been with another man which of you would believe this?
- Noahs Ark again seriously!? All those animals on one boat? Really? Even children have a hard time believing this one.
Peace Amm,
Why believe in God eventhough some say that there is no scientific proof according to
their understanding? The answer is very simple, and that is their science (method) is not
equiped to answer the question. God gave us science to use as a tool for our needs
and obviously not to figure him out.Good luck with questions 1,2,3
may your research be rewarding
Peace
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Peace,
Thanks for your views on this Amm, I sincerely accept your thoughts.
I do not agree that these are errors in the Quran though, although I cannot fully explain the first question about Adam and Eve. Attempting would be saying what I do not know, i.e. explaining the exact details of their exile to earth.
However, the Quran explains the evolutionary principle and many other scientific fact which could not have been known when the Quran was revealed. And as far I can remember the Quran does not claim that the woman was created from Adam's rib bone. Much is mixed up with the corrupt old scriptures.
For the virgin birth of Jesus it was God who simply decided Mary should be pregnant and so she became with child. That is easy for someone that has control over every atom in the world.
Regarding Noah's ark, it is completely illogical that he could fill the ark with all those animals and he probably did not either. I believe they were limited to Noah's cattle and not every species in existence, also the flood affected only Noah's sinful community who refused to heed his warnings. This is what my logic tells me about the matter, also the Quran tells only that Noah went with the message to his community, so why would God kill everything on earth?
Popular legends and myths cause those gross misunderstandings that exist in our minds and literature.
No matter what your view is, or to become of what I wrote, I respectfully accept your opinion and belief. I follow the pure monotheist religion of peace and submission to God alone.
May God bless you with certainty.
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although I cannot fully explain the first question about Adam and Eve. Attempting would be saying what I do not know, i.e. explaining the exact details of their exile to earth.
Peace,
I don't think Adam and Eve were exiled to earth from paradise. There is no evidence for this in the Qur'an as the word jannah means garden. Hence, I believe they were exiled from one place on earth (a garden or beautiful green place) to another. This was also the opinion of certain traditional Muslim scholars, which the majority of Muslims don't know.
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Peace recluse,
Somehow I have a feeling the whole Adam and Eve story is an allegory, maybe before the souls had physical bodies, and that they came into the physical world by sinning (God made their bodies visible), but now this is wild guesswork. May God forgive me.
We must remember everything is possible though, when it comes to God. He could simply "teleport" (instantly move) Adam and Eve's souls into His created illusive world and into the physical bodies he had created for humans.
Observe this is a highly philosophical thinking and I have little evidence to support what I said, although I tried to use logic with what I know about God's omnipotency.
We really do not need to know. But curiosity is a human trait.
May God let us know what we need to know
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Peace Amm.
You might have already read this?
http//submission.org/#/d/App1.html
If you have, ignore .
Peace.
If you look for patterns in anything you will find them. Lets take the sept 11 attacks as a recent example and in particular The Number 11
The date of the attack 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11.
September 11 has 9 letters and 2 numbers 9+2=11.
The number 911 is the telephone number for emergencies in North America.
September 11th is the 254th day of the year 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year.
March 11, 2002, marked 6 months since the attack, and fell in the 11th week of 2002.
On March 11, 2002, New York City lit the sky with 88 (8 x 11 = 8 powerful GE bulbs that sent light beams
into the sky from the World Trade Center site. The next morning, on March 12, 2002, 11 FDNY firemen
were recovered from Ground Zero.New York City - 11 Letters
The first plane to hit the towers was American Airlines Flight 11.
The Flight 11 call letters were AA11 A=1, A=1, AA=11.
Four of the hijackers on flight AA11 have the initials A. A. for their names AA=11.
The fifth AA11 hijacker was the pilot, Mohamed Atta, 11 letters, and AA in last name.
Flight AA11 had 92 people on board - 9 + 2 = 11.
Flight AA11 had 11 crew members - 2 pilots and 9 flight attendants.
The target of Flight AA11 was in New York City -11 letters.
The State of New York was the 11th State added to the Union.
Manhattan Island was discovered on Sept. 11, 1609 by Henry Hudson -11 letters.
Trade Center is 11 letters, and Skyscrapers is 11 letters.
World Trade Center Towers is 22 letters - 2 x 11 =22.
The WTC Twin Towers - standing side by side, look like the number 11.
The WTC Towers are each 110-storeys high.
The first WTC tower hit (North Tower) collapses at 1028 A.M. -1+2+8=11.
The 1st Fire Unit to arrive to the WTC towers was FDNY Unit 1. Unit 1 lost 11 firemen.
The WTC towers collapsed to a height of 11 stories.After 99 days of burning, NYC declares the WTC fires are extinguished - 9 x 11 = 99.
The World Trade Center fires burn continuously for 99 days, between September 11, 2001 and
December 19, 2001. The World Trade Center fire is the longest burning commercial fire in U.S. history.
On September 7, 2002, NYC Medical Examiners announced the revised official
death toll from the World Trade Center attacks was 2,801 - (2+8+0+1 = 11).
On the morning of September 11, 2002 the names of 2,801 victims were read at a Ground Zero
Ceremony. It took 2 ? hours to read all the names.The Pentagon - 11 letters Flight UA77 & The Target
The Pentagon - 11 letters
The plane that hit the Pentagon was United Airlines Flight 77 -11 x 7 =77.
Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11.
The target of Flight 77 was The Pentagon - 11 Letters.
One of the walls of The Pentagon collapses at 1010 A.M.Colin Powell - 11 letters
George W. Bush - 11 letters
According to the FBI, earlier terrorists originally planned to hijack 11 planes.
Thirty days after the attack, the FBI releases a Most Wanted Terrorist List with 22 names.
Mohammed, the prophet of the Muslim faith, died in 632 A.D. - 6+3+2=11.
The Taliban's Manual of Afghan Jihad (Holy War) is 11 volumes.
119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran - 1 + 1 + 9 = 11.
The League of Arab States is comprised of 22 Arab nations - 2 x 11 = 22.
The suspected base of the terrorists is Afghanistan - 11 Letters.
Osama bin Laden's birthplace is Saudi Arabia - 11 letters.
Ramzi Yousef - convicted of orchestrating the 1993 WTC attack - 11 Letters.
The Prime Minister of Israel - Ariel Sharon - 11 Letters.
Deputy PM, & Minister of Foreign Affairs for Israel - Shimon Peres - 11 Letters.The President of the USA - George W. Bush - 11 letters.
The previous USA President - Bill Clinton - 11 letters.
The US Secretary of State - Colin Powell - 11 letters.
Independence Day in the USA is July 4th - 7 + 4 = 11.
The US President's plane is Air Force One - 11 letters.
George W. Bush's Air Force One is numbered "29000" on the tail - 2+9+0+0+0 = 11.
George W. Bush & Bob Beckwith (11 letters) Fireman #164 - 1+6+4 = 11. -
Peace Amm.
You might have already read this?
http//submission.org/#/d/App1.html
If you have, ignore .
Peace.
Don't wish to labour the point but here is an article on the significance of the Number 23
http//askville.amazon.com/number-23-special/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=4060915
And I can do this with more and more numbers all day and each time I find an example the number 19 becomes less significant.
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Peace Amm.
Fair enough.
Now how about this
http//www.total-loyalty-to-god-alone.co.uk/website-pages/who-is-responsible-for-you/
God bless you .
Peace.
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Peace Amm.
Fair enough.
Now how about this
http//www.total-loyalty-to-god-alone.co.uk/website-pages/who-is-responsible-for-you/
God bless you .
Peace.
Or is it simply about maintaining your own ideology, despite the proof right there on this site? hmm
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR YOU?
Accept or do not accept? You will be responsible for your own decision?)
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Peace Farida.
Quote Or is it simply about maintaining your own ideology, despite the proof right there on this site?
Where is this proof?. Bring it forth I shall have a look.
Peace to you.
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Peace Farida.
Quote Or is it simply about maintaining your own ideology, despite the proof right there on this site?
Where is this proof?. Bring it forth I shall have a look.
Peace to you.
Please read the site that you listed, with an open mind not a closed one, in other words a free mind.
who-is-responsible-for-you.....
Accept or do not accept? You will be responsible for your own decision peace -
Peace Farida.
May be I am missing something.
I wrote and read the site I listed?
Please explain. Thank you.
Peace.
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Peace Farida.
May be I am missing something.
I wrote and read the site I listed?
Please explain. Thank you.
Peace.
Peace good logic
I know you recommended it for others to reflect on, but if only you would practice what you preach it would benefit you, as you know in the end 'You will be responsible for your acts'.
peace
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Peace Farida.
I am listening.
Please explain how I would practice what I preach?
Or how I failed to do so?
Thank you.
Peace.
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Peace Farida.
I am listening.
Please explain how I would practice what I preach?
Or how I failed to do so?
Thank you.
Peace.
Peace good logic
As long as you stick to your ideology you think you are practicing but you refuse to apply it to any other situation as you have taken your ideology to be your idol in my openion. If you disagree to this then let's just leave it here, no use for any further discussions.
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Peace Farida.
I agree to leave it at this with an open mind.
May the Lord guide us to His truth.
Peace..
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Peace Amm.
Fair enough.
Now how about this
http//www.total-loyalty-to-god-alone.co.uk/website-pages/who-is-responsible-for-you/
God bless you .
Peace.
In summary my understanding is that this site is saying
- You are responsible for your own decisions and therefore the resulting consequences
- The quran is solid proof of god
- God knows everything and he can not be imagined
Was there anything in particular you thought would be useful for me?
I can see myself agreeing with points 1 and 3.
I do personally struggle with the 2nd point as I feel the Quran, in some instances, goes against our current scientific understanding of the world (as mentioned in my first reply).
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Peace Amm.
Thank you for your reply.
It is better than most people do. I find a lot of them struggle with point 3!
To me point 3 is strongly connected to point 2.
Here is the connection
55;1-2
The Most Gracious.Teacher of the Quran.
God bless you.
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Q Why believe if we cannot prove God scientifically?
I'd like to shed some light on the situation at hand.
People can in theory be divided into three different groups.Group 1 Those who can sense the existance of the Creator. They always had some feeling of this thing and the more they develop it the better their lives turn out and the more natural and obvious the existance of God seems. By definition they would have a pretty realistic image of God.
Group 2 Those who claim to believe in God... but their actions say something else. They don't really believe... they don't really feel it. But they do claim to believe in God. Such people are often identified as e.g. religious zealots, extremists or narrowminded missionaries.
Group 3 Those who cannot feel the presence of God. They just don't feel it, at least up till this point in time. They would, like everyone else, have an image of God. For these people, this image comes from religion, since they haven't been able to feel God and build their own image, fully or partly. These people are often rightly and understandibly rejecting the existance of God for two reasons 1. They have no experience/sensation/feeling of God, and 2. the images portrayed to them by religion are often silly and not very convincing.
So, why would someone believe in God if God cannot be proven scientifically? This question is a typical Group 3 question... and an honest one. There is no reason for them to believe in something they have not experience of, and especially something that seem like a character from a fable or fairy tale. The people of Group 3 can only sense/see/believe that which science can point out and prove. Of couse Group 3 people will not believe in something science cannot prove... it wouldn't make sense.
Does the absence of scientific proof mean 'no intelligent original Creator/Source'? No. The world doesn't vanish when the head is shoved into the sand. Out of sight doesn't mean out of existence. Is it possible that there are things we don't know and haven't seen/understood/experienced? Of course, it would be foolish to state otherwise. So why not about The Creato/Source of Everything. I'm not talking about stupid and silly images put forth by religion, but I'm talking about a Source that deliberately has created Creation. Is it possible that this may be the case, while we do not perceive it? Yes of course. Even atheists should acknowledge this possibility. And this possibility is not like asking about the possibility of a pink elephant with six legs. Is it logical to forsee or imagine a Source, as at least a theoretical necessity? I think it is. Forget about its characteristics. On the other hand, is it logical to forsee that pink elephant? No, actually it isn't... that's just rhetorics.
Why would we believe that nothing else, or bigger, can exist just because the discipline of science and it's tools haven't been able to prove it? Why do we believe we can determine, with science, the non-existance of something that science cannot measure. Why believe science tools are the end of the world and can detect anything that exists?
I think that religion, ironically, has f***ed up things for us, by dishing out ridiculous images of God that we have no choice but to reject. Of course we'll reject stupid images of God that don't make sense. Religion is no less leading away from God than anything else, amazingly.
One great problem is how we approach God. If we approach God like a separate character or entity with vengful and whimsical habits, then who the heck would believe in that. But if we trn things up side down, then perhaps things come in a different light for some people. If we START with a Source and then move to Creation, it makes more sense for us to imagein, as compared to if we would look at the universe as a self sustaining/independent/permanent thing and then try to fit some external unnecessary creating character into it. The issue lies in NECESSITY. What is the Source?
We can think of God as that "thing" which BY DEFINITON must be for anything else to be. The we can start exploring it and approaching it within ourselves. But if we START by defining God as something separat and unnecessary... then we look for the wrong thing! God, BY DEFINITION is not unnecessary or separate. By definition. If we look for a god with some other definition, good luck, you'll only find it in textbooks and folklore.
Honestly, what is it that makes it most difficult for accepting the existence of God? The logical need for a necessary source, or the nonsensical images of God vomitted out by religions?
All we need to be is 1. open to the idea, and 2. willing to find the truth NO MATTER what we find. First demanding scientific proof for everything is not the same as being open. That is instead the same as limiting yourself and thus NOT being open to truth whatever it might be. Reality is reality, truth is truth, no matter what we say, no matter what science say... so isn't it more wise to just let go of resistance, and just be open..... honestly open. And there is no need to have fear. If one is truly open, there is no risk that one starts to believe lies and nonsense. That is something else. Just because we are open, it doesn't mean we are gullible or senseless. Openness is REQUIRED for one to find truth. Even the staunchest atheist scientist would agree to this. If you're not open, you are at least partly closed, and naturally and logically you will miss something. If we are interested in truth... if we truly are.... then we should strive to be as open as we can... or else we'll miss something.
Cheers folks O0