Really Confused About Salah!!!
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Peace Goodlogic
I fully agree we should try to have some private spiritual contact with the Creator.
But does that REQUIRES me to go out of the ONGOING CLASS and HAVE the SPIRITUAl CONTACT with half my mind thinking about whats going on in the class and the other half thinking about what are the people thinking
Please answer directly,
from Harun and GodSubmitter,Peace
Harun -
Peace Harun.
A duty is a duty. You do not leave your duty until it is finished. That is also a requirement from God.
A simple answer is NO!
Peace.
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Sorry, GoodLogic. I didnt care to read the whole thing.
I hope the point is clear.
Peace All.
Of course you do not leave your duties whether at work or elsewhere. God does not ask for difficulties? Remembering your Lord is" inside "you? Has He helped by putting that instinct in humans?
Peace.So I don't need to go out of the class to Commemorate and seek private connection with the Lord.
But still the Salah articles in freeminds.org don't emphasise the fact.
Hope you will comment further.
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Harun -
I personally think that one should concentrate on a task at hand, if one is in the class, then on that; because, if one tries to concentrate hard on two or more things that might lead to schizophrenia.
spiritual salat, by thinking, meditating and reading words of gods are of obvious interest for who practice it.
body Salat are praticed in all religions, even pagan ones, and there is no need for books or words from Allah.I agree with @noshirk, specially the red part!
Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is One God!
Therefore you shall adore the Lord your God
with all your heart,
with all your soul,
with all your mind,
and with all your strength.So you see @good logic, in never says "with your body" !
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I DO NOT KNOW!
But I am not ashamed and not too proud to admit that I don't know.And nobody knows!
No-one knows, as this Forum attests with innumerable discussions about salat, solaa, contact prayers et al, without any conclusive answer at all!What I think is, that to have blessed life, and for our salvation, we need only the things we understand with the natural light, what we understand with our normal reason, and we do not need those unclear things from Bible or from Qur'an which even the scholars do not understand (like surah initials or unclear passages from Torah).
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Well, there isn't!
You can check it for yourself, just go through all the threads about salat here, and then continue googleing through Sunni and Shia sites and forums, and then try the Islam sects...
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Peace Friends,
I am confused as to how serious the regular maintaining of the Salah is mentioned in the Quran. I mean, suppose I study in a college and during my classes, their is time for the Middle Prayer or the Evening Prayer,
So DO I NEED TO GO OUT OF THE CLASS IN BETWEEN IT IS GOING ON BY TAKING PERMISSION FROM THE PROFESSOR, OFFER PRAYER IN THE SPACE MEANT TO BE A COURTYARD etc... AND THEN COME BACK FOR THE CLASS???...there comes no question of going home for the salah during time I am out of the class.
So I should do this??? or can I skip that Salah???? or can I......(.to be completed by you....)?????
I don't think there is something like Kaza or Kadha Or Qadha Salah if we consult the Quran Alone. Qadha actually says we can postpone the salah and offer it later but Quran says nothing like that.
So I will be happy if people post suggestions as I am in real state of confusion....
Please correct me if I am wrong at any point.
Peace for Friends
HarunSalamun alaika,
Your concern is valid since
is passive participle from verbal noun "Waqatun" of Baab Zaraba-yazribu, denoting appointed duration of time. Hypothetical situation of being in class room should not pose a problem for adjusting time for the As-Salat. A period in class room is ordinarily of 45 minutes. You can conveniently adjust your Formal time bound protocol of allegiance and servitude, either before the class or after the class.
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Well, there isn't!
You can check it for yourself, just go through all the threads about salat here, and then continue googleing through Sunni and Shia sites and forums, and then try the Islam sects...
salaam god Submitter and Harun
1778 Hold the SALAT at the zenith of the sun, until the approach of the night; and the Qur'an at dawn; the Qur'an at dawn is witnessed.
11114 And hold the SALAT at two parts of the day, and the near part of the night. The good deeds take away the bad. This is a reminder to those who remember.
of course, if you don't want to accept that SALAT=QUR'AN=Lecture at the two parts of the day and part of nght , i can do nothing.
more
7170 As for those who hold to the Book and hold SALAT; We will not waste the reward of the righteous.of course, if you don't want to accept that SALAT=HOLD the book, i can do nothing.
2945 Recite what is inspired to you of the Book, and hold the SALAT, for the SALAT prohibits immorality and vice; but certainly the remembrance of God is the greatest. God knows everything you do.
of course, if you don't want to accept that SALAT=Recite what is inspired to you of the Book, i can do nothing.
of course, may be that somewhere, there is a body ritual ???
3343 He is the One who YUSALLI ALEIKOM, along with His angels, to bring you out of darkness and into the light. And He is ever Merciful towards the believers.
3356 God and His angels YOUSALLON ON the prophet. O you who believe, you shall SALLI ON him, and comply completely.how did GOD YASALLI on us ? did he make sojoud towards Qibla ? how angels Do ?
Salat is connection to God through his words.
connection imply that there a network in wich God and His angels are always connected.unfortunately, there is people that rejects the connection and waste their time searching for stupid rituals they know they will never find in quran.
They ask for verses and when verses are given to them, they reject them.They says, there should be another way to do salat other than reciting and thinking about God words.
They says why God hide us the good way to do salat ?
They says in wich book other book of God can we find the good way ?
They says Since God failed to show us the good way in his book, who can tell us what is the good way ?Quran means Lecture. When should we lecture the lecture if salat is not lecture the lecture ?
Peace
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Peace noshirk.
I said to Godsubmitter sura 35 answers some questions about " Salat"
You said quote of course, if you don't want to accept that SALAT=Recite what is inspired to you of the Book, i can do nothing.
Sura 35 says
Surely, those who recite the book of God, observe the Salat, and from our provisions to them they spend - secretly and publicly - are engaged in an investment that never loses.
It seems recite the book and "salat" are two different things?
Peace.
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If there is NO CONCLUSIVE ANSWER at all... then how could we say QURAN is a CLEAR BOOK WITHOUT ANY DOUBT.
So, There should be a conclusion.
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Harun`Salam Harun
I am sorry if I come across a bit harsh.
I think you should look in the Quran and ask yourself if it is a book with rules how you should physically please Allah or a book with rules how to get spiritually closer to Allah. You should look at the society you live in and see how you can implement your religion into that society, not the other way around......because frankly you are trying to follow rules that are formed by muslims in a muslim community while living in a secular state. You are never going to suceed if you are trying to please both.
You have to let go of the idea that the Quran is a book with rules. Instead you should embrace the spiritual side of the Quran and how to walk on this earth with Allah in your heart at all times. You should have your salat (connection) morning, day and evening. There is nothing to my knowledge that states that God will not hear your prayers because you did them at the wrong time or by using the wrong procedure. You should remember the Umma, to live in peaceful co-existence with non-muslims. If we are in minority, we have to adapt or move.I got the same "problem" as you do. If I were to perform salat at the tradtional times I would get fired.......so I don't.......I think Allah would have little understanding if I decided to stick to the "rules", eventhough it meant I would lose my job, not making it possible for me to support my family.
In your case I dont think Allah would understand why you are neglecting your education and effectively segregating yourself from the norms of society by leaving class to pray.This is actually quite common and it is not really a big deal. Do you think muslim surgeons leave the patient on the operating table because they need to pray? Do you think a muslim fireman lets the house burn to the ground because it is time to pray? Do you think your teacher (if he was muslim) would leave in the middle of class to pray? I am not trying to belittle your problem, but the fact is that in many muslim communities they do not drop whatever they are doing to pray. That would mean for example traffic would come to a complete halt five times a day......and it doesnt so I know the muslim drivers wait with prayers until they reach their destination..
The answer is in the Quran, it is the Umma the Quran explains. Our "job" is to create a society with acceptance for all kinds of people. It teaches us to be humble and to respect one and another. If you are in minority and it is not the norm of society to pray you are the one that will adapt......or move....but thats a bit drastic I guess.
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Salaam,
I attend University and I have a five hour block of classes, two days per week, with only a 10 minute comfort break after approximately 2 and a quarter hours-I kid you not! By this arrangement, I would miss one of my prayers, but I leave the class towards the latter part of it and go to pray. To me, even that is a big deal because usually I pray as soon as I feel the prayer has become due, and don't leave it so late. The biggest hassle of all can be trying to find a room to pray in, but Alhamdulillah, I always find somewhere in the end. I don't know, I don't want to feel burdened by constraints and commitments. I just want to worship at the times, I feel I ought to be. God is more important to me than learning about social behaviourist theorists. That was just my feeling anyway. I don't have any specific Qur'anic quotes to support this.
All the best.
Salaam.
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Peace es,
You are so devoted I am impressed. That is a pious believer!
God surely appreciates it and you have Quranic backup, but I cannot quote anything on this smartphone.
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Peace noshirk.
I said to Godsubmitter sura 35 answers some questions about " Salat"
You said quote of course, if you don't want to accept that SALAT=Recite what is inspired to you of the Book, i can do nothing.
Sura 35 says
Surely, those who recite the book of God, observe the Salat, and from our provisions to them they spend - secretly and publicly - are engaged in an investment that never loses.
It seems recite the book and "salat" are two different things?
Peace.
Salaam Good logic
in fact i think they are slightly different
salat, for me, is connecting to God in order to get mind purification which is zakat.
reciting the book is one way to connect. Dhikr (remembering) God through his words is another way.Doing Tartil is another way
According to brother Ayman, Tartil mean arrange thing by similarity. So linear recitation is not the only way.
Quran is arranged according to an Arrangment done by God (25-32). However it is told to us arrange it by ourselves (73-4). That means that we have to confronte similar verse to better understand what is meant by God. it is what we are doing.in a more general sense, thinking about scientific ayats of God (cosmology for exemple) can be a way to connect to God.
Salat, is then, for me, whatever thinking in wich God is present.But the first step is read the readings with his brain.
the funny thing is that we can even find quranists that reject qura'n the qur'an and hope to find God only in forums, relying on brains of people they don't know.
That is a very bad comportment (47-16). Salat is trying to connect directly to God, with no intermediate.However, i am not a nabi and it is only my own conclusion.
Peace
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Peace noshirk.
I agree
. Salat is trying to connect directly to God, with no intermediate.
Peace.
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There are several threads on salat and thought it best to address them all here in this thread.
Man of Faith, if I am not mistaken, I think in another thread you provided the details of salat (number of rakah, what to say, etc) which are not found in the Koran. It is not in the hadiths either, and so wondering where you got the details from? Are you getting it from Sunni or Shia version of salat, editing or "cleaning it up" so to speak? but where did the sunni or shia get the details? did they take the jewish prayers and edit it to suit them? This ritual of prayer by the Jews (example of ithttp//m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=0aHWASyMjwg&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D0aHWASyMjwg) is different than the details you or others have provided.
So again, wondering where people get the details of salat? The Sunnis claim that this is why we need the hadiths as the Koran doesn't provide the details but I haven't found the details in the hadiths either. I have spent many years looking for answers.
Few months ago, i started to questioning......are we understanding and defining salat from the Koran or have we defined it to be this ritual to be done on time in a specified way and looking for verses in the Koran to support this definition and then trying to justify this definition speaking about the benefits of this ritual? Yoga also involves standing, prostrating, bowing and has much health benefits - more than the ritual salat I would say. If i do yoga, clearing my mind of worldly affairs and connect to God - 2,3,5 times a day would that not count? And why not?
I think that there is all this confusion about salat because we are not defining and understanding salat from the Koran.
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Peace justamuslim.
Here is "one" definition from Qoran.
You can ignore the translation, and use arabic text for your own translation
I am God; there is no other god beside Me. You shall worship Me alone, and observe the Salat to remember Me.
Peace.
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Peace justamuslim,
Basically everything is supported by Quran in what I wrote, all sayings except the traditional takbir (Allahu ahkbar) can be found in it.
Amount of rakah or amount of daily prayers are from tradition I admit, but I also felt there was no reason to "reinvent the wheel", the prayer cycle in use is fine as long as you remove the idolatrous elements.
Why I do not abandon the prayers, which have been done for a long time, is simply because I cannot verify that they are false and there are Quranic verses which support a prayer ritual. For example, washing before observing prayer or prayer during war. If you could just pray with your mind such precautions should not be necessary in my opinion.
I have been philosophizing upon whether the prayer ritual makes sense, but I yet do not have any personal consensus in my head. I can simply not let myself be susceptible to follow others (which God warns about or risk wishful thinking. So far the signs are not strong enough for me to lose faith in the ancient prayer ritual.
The details for the prayer rituals are probably not utterly important as long as they are devoted to God alone. I use the default traditional muslim ritual with no better option available, it is fine for me and involves standing, bowing and prostration.
I read the opening chapter X amount of times with prostrations in between but after that I speak to God about my problems and wishes or freely praise God in my own words.
The physical prayer can simply not escape my mind, even without scriptural basis I cannot help falling down on my knees crying to the Lord if I am in distress. That is what I think all pious believers in the past also felt.
The amount of rakah or amount of prayers may been changed, but I doubt the "falling down on your knees and/or forehead" is fake.
May God bless you
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Peace justamuslim.
Here is "one" definition from Qoran.
You can ignore the translation, and use arabic text for your own translation
I am God; there is no other god beside Me. You shall worship Me alone, and observe the Salat to remember Me.
Peace.
Good logic, "salat" is not defined in the verse you quoted. If you define "salat" = ritual prayer then where do you get this definition from?