Do we need books to believe in God?
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Is Quran a jargon with junk letters; or do you think Quran is only for maths followers? Or Quran is even for the illiterate?
Peace, the numerologists are the most ignorant of basic math concepts.
My search took me to this file
11] In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.*Here i was amazing how this can be done.
Verse No. of Gematrical
No. Letters Value
1 19 786
2 17 581
3 12 618
4 11 241
5 19 836
6 18 1072
7 43 6009Totals 139 10143
For 14 years I have posted this on amy forum and asking many well educated mathemtician if they can produce one. How about you Dr Fazi ?
Peace -- the above is simple numerology junk (7431 ... and not We made their count only temptation for those who disbelieved/reject...) easily done with most any text and interlock is nonsense suggestive thoughts in your head...
in name BaHMaN
26040 254050 13020084050 13020081040w l tl wgv lgv lgv-added
1 3 3 102 26040 2 62 102
2 4 7 97 254050 104 109 149 199
3 6 13 329 13020084050 200 230 430 438 478 528
4 6 19 289 13020081040 529 559 759 767 777 817Fact 1 19 Letters
Fact 2 817 Total Geometrical Value = 43 x 19
Fact 3 102 3 3 97 4 7 329 6 13 289 6 19
Fact 4 102 3 26040 97 4 254050 329 6 13020084050 289 6 13020081040
Fact 5 102 3 26040 3 97 7 254050 4 329 13 13020084050 6 289 19 13020081040 6
Fact 6 3 102 4 97 6 329 6 289
Fact 7 3 26040 7 254050 13 13020084050 19 13020081040
Fact 8 3 26040 102 3 4 254050 97 7 6 13020084050 329 13 6 13020081040 289 19
Fact 9 3 3 26040 7 4 254050 13 6 13020084050 19 6 13020081040
Fact 10 3 3 2 62 102 102 7 4 104 109 149 199 97 13 6 200 230 430 438 478 528 329 19 6 529 559 759 767 777 817 289
Fact 11 3 2 62 102 26040 4 104 109 149 199 254050 6 200 230 430 438 478 528 13020084050 6 529 559 759 767 777 817 13020081040
Fact 12 2 62 102 3 3 102 104 109 149 199 4 7 97 200 230 430 438 478 528 6 13 329 529 559 759 767 777 817 6 19 289
Fact 13 26040 2 62 102 3 254050 104 109 149 13 7 13020084050 200 230 430 438 478 528 13 13020081040 529 559 759 767 777 817 19
Fact 14 26040 102 2 62 102 3 254050 97 104 109 149 199 4 13020084050 329 200 230 430 438 478 528 6 13020081040 289 529 559 759 767 777 817 6Fact 15 1 3 2 4 3 6 4 6
Fact 16 1 3 2 7 3 13 4 19
Fact 17 1 3 102 3 2 7 97 4 3 13 329 6 4 19 289 6
Fact 18 1 3 3 102 2 4 7 97 3 6 13 329 4 6 19 289
Fact 19 1 102 1 2 3 2 97 1 2 3 4 3 329 1 2 3 4 5 6 4 289 1 2 3 4 5 6
Fact 20 1 3 26040 2 7 254050 3 13 13020084050 4 19 13020081040
Fact 21 1 102 26040 2 97 254050 3 329 13020084050 4 289 13020081040
Fact 22 1 26040 3 102 2 254050 4 97 3 13020084050 6 329 4 13020081040 6 289
Fact 23 1 26040 1 2 3 2 254050 1 2 3 4 3 13020084050 1 2 3 4 5 6 4 13020081040 1 2 3 4 5 6
Fact 24 1 2 62 102 2 104 109 149 13 3 200 230 430 438 478 528 4 529 559 759 767 777 817
Fact 25 1 102 3 3 26040 2 97 4 7 254050 3 329 6 13 13020084050 4 289 6 19 13020081040
Fact 26 1 3 102 3 26040 2 4 97 7 254050 3 6 329 13 13020084050 4 6 289 19 13020081040
Fact 27 1 3 26040 102 3 2 4 254050 97 7 3 6 13020084050 329 13 4 6 13020081040 289 19
Fact 28 1 2 62 102 3 2 104 109 149 13 4 3 200 230 430 438 478 528 6 4 529 559 759 767 777 817 6
Fact 29 1 2 62 102 102 2 104 109 149 13 97 3 200 230 430 438 478 528 329 4 529 559 759 767 777 817 289
Fact 30 1 102 2 62 102 3 3 2 97 104 109 149 13 4 7 3 329 200 230 430 438 478 528 6 13 4 289 529 559 759 767 777 817 6 19
Fact 31 1 2 62 102 102 3 3 2 104 109 149 13 97 7 4 3 200 230 430 438 478 528 329 13 6 4 529 559 759 767 777 817 289 19 6
Fact 32 1 2 62 102 3 102 3 2 104 109 149 13 4 97 7 3 200 230 430 438 478 528 6 329 13 4 529 559 759 767 777 817 6 289 19
Fact 33 1 2 62 102 26040 3 2 104 109 149 13 254050 4 3 200 230 430 438 478 528 13020084050 6 4 529 559 759 767 777 817 13020081040 6
Fact 34 1 26040 3 3 2 62 102 2 254050 7 4 104 109 149 13 3 13020084050 13 6 200 230 430 438 478 528 4 13020081040 19 6 529 559 759 767 777 817
Fact 35 1 3 26040 2 62 102 3 2 4 254050 104 109 149 13 7 3 6 13020084050 200 230 430 438 478 528 13 4 6 13020081040 529 559 759 767 777 817 19
Fact 36 1 3 2 62 102 3 26040 2 4 104 109 149 13 7 254050 3 6 200 230 430 438 478 528 13 13020084050 4 6 529 559 759 767 777 817 19 13020081040
Fact 37 1 2 62 102 26040 102 3 2 104 109 149 13 254050 97 4 3 200 230 430 438 478 528 13020084050 329 6 4 529 559 759 767 777 817 13020081040 289 6
Fact 38 1 102 3 26040 2 62 102 2 97 4 254050 104 109 149 199 3 329 6 13020084050 200 230 430 438 478 528 4 289 6 13020081040 529 559 759 767 777 817
Fact 39 1 102 3 2 62 102 26040 2 97 4 104 109 149 199 254050 3 329 6 200 230 430 438 478 528 13020084050 4 289 6 529 559 759 767 777 817 13020081040
Fact 40 1 2 62 102 102 3 26040 2 104 109 149 199 97 4 254050 3 200 230 430 438 478 528 329 6 13020084050 4 529 559 759 767 777 817 289 6 13020081040
Fact 41 1 3 26040 102 2 62 102 2 4 254050 97 104 109 149 199 3 6 13020084050 329 200 230 430 438 478 528 4 6 13020081040 289 529 559 759 767 777 817
Fact 42 1 26040 102 3 2 62 102 2 254050 97 7 104 109 149 199 3 13020084050 329 13 200 230 430 438 478 528 4 13020081040 289 19 529 559 759 767 777 817
Fact 43 1 26040 3 102 3 2 62 102 2 254050 7 97 4 104 109 149 13 3 13020084050 13 329 6 200 230 430 438 478 528 4 130 20081040 19 289 6 529 559 759 767 777 817
Fact 44 1 3 26040 102 3 2 62 102 2 4 254050 97 7 104 109 149 13 3 6 13020084050 329 13 200 230 430 438 478 528 4 6 130 20081040 289 19 529 559 759 767 777 817
Fact 45 1 102 2 62 102 26040 3 3 2 97 104 109 149 199 254050 4 7 3 329 200 230 430 438 478 528 13020084050 6 13 4 289 529 559 759 767 777 817 130 20081040 6 19
Fact 46 1 102 2 62 102 3 26040 3 2 97 104 109 149 199 7 254050 4 3 329 200 230 430 438 478 528 13 13020084050 6 4 289 529 559 759 767 777 817 19 130 20081040 6
Fact 47 1 102 3 26040 3 2 62 102 2 97 7 254050 4 104 109 149 199 3 329 13 13020084050 6 200 230 430 438 478 528 4 289 19 130 20081040 6 529 559 759 767 777 817
Fact 48 1 2 62 102 3 3 26040 102 2 104 109 149 199 7 4 254050 97 3 200 230 430 438 478 528 13 6 13020084050 329 4 529 559 759 767 777 817 19 6 130 20081040 289
Fact 49 1 3 2 62 102 26040 102 3 2 7 104 109 149 199 254050 97 4 3 13 200 230 430 438 478 528 13020084050 329 6 4 19 529 559 759 767 777 817 130 20081040 289 6
Fact 50 1 3 2 62 102 3 102 26040 2 4 104 109 149 199 7 97 254050 3 6 200 230 430 438 478 528 13 329 13020084050 4 6 529 559 759 767 777 817 19 289 130 20081040Fact 51 102 1 199 2 528 3 817 4
Fact 52 105 1 101 2 335 3 295 4
Fact 53 1 2 3 1 4 5 6 7 2 8 9 10 11 12 13 3 14 15 16 17 18 19 4
Fact 54 26040 3 1 254050 4 2 13020084050 6 3 13020081040 6 4
Fact 55 26040 3 1 254050 7 2 13020084050 13 3 13020081040 19 4
Fact 56 3 26040 102 1 7 254050 97 2 13 13020084050 329 3 19 13020081040 289 4
Fact 57 3 102 2 62 102 1 4 97 104 109 149 199 2 6 329 200 230 430 438 478 528 3 6 289 529 559 759 767 777 817 4
Fact 58 3 26040 2 62 102 1 7 254050 104 109 149 199 2 13 13020084050 200 230 430 438 478 528 3 19 13020081040 529 559 759 767 777 817 4
Fact 59 2 62 102 102 26040 1 104 109 149 199 97 254050 2 200 230 430 438 478 528 329 13020084050 3 529 559 759 767 777 817 289 13020081040 4
Fact 60 2 62 102 102 26040 1 104 109 149 199 97 254050 2 200 230 430 438 478 528 329 13020084050 3 529 559 759 767 777 817 289 13020081040 4The book is Qur'an written in the media of the mind which contains the guidance ...
151 ALR these verses the book and Qur?an/recitation clear
3669 and not We taught him the poetry and not it befitting for him indeed it only remembrance and Qur?an/recitation clear
7517 indeed upon Us its collection and its Qur?an/recitation
7518 so when We recited it so follow its Qur?an/recitation
7519 furthermore indeed upon Us its explanation
7520 nay rather you love the immediate
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From this what I learn from you is unless one who is lucky enough to know Arabic, Quran is out of bounds to them.
Pleas read this tread
I am not sure why Rashad used Mathematical for his discovery, general public mathematic means calculating using number for formula and equation, a primary school student cn understand it easily which is pure number interlocked to each other and there is no other way to fit unless changing understanding Interlock is very simple and simplest one is jig saw puzzle which there is only one way for fitting each peace and no probability, which is interlock, I call Miracle
Numerical Textual Security Interlocking SystemAnd then, you have to be well-versed in Arabic to get anywhere near Quran. Am I right?
For meaning you are and yet you may be another translation differing from others, I prefer to use translation for reading but for witnessing God's design of text and how is interlocked knowing alphabet is enough, it can bee witnessed even by one letter Q which have same shape as English or simplest one
is this oneI believe unless one ponders, reminisces, reflects and strive to rehearse every single ayat with sense of justification and purity at heart alone can even touch Quran. If you really need to know the ayats ask for it I will produce them.
God made it easy to understand and we should stay away from making it difficult, God is only teacher of Quran , in older time our parents were illiterate and school ans cholar were teaching words of God in all religions, now we have proof for Quran and this screen , slowly those school get empty unless forcing people to attend, this screen is best source for study and no scholar can replace it. There would not be paid job as scholar for explaining God's words as God warned prophet is not his duty to explain.
Now I want the ayat from you that says Quran is meant only for Arabic pundits and scholars; and meant only for mathematicians with sound knowledge in interlock patterns.
Not such verse exist and in above I have explained it that we do not need Mathematic jus 4 arithmetic functions -+/* little patience and knowing how interlock works in text like Q in chapter 50
I am independent learner of Quran without being tainted by mullahs and madrasahs. I am the one who disengaged from the parental pseudo religion called Islam.
Masha Allah, that is great and you are right but you need water in your tank and you need proof for Quran other way it is another scripture like the previous one.
God bless you for your clear path.I do not want to be blind. Show me a plain ayat that says about interlock patterns and sound Arabic knowledge is essential to prove this Quran is from Allah. Before that I will show you the verse how to testify that this is from Allah and not from man.
I am not rejecting Text Miracle of Quran in its time and even now for those like you know good Arabic.
Writting such rhymes and deepness in meaning which loose it in translation could not be work of prophet that only knew ABJAD for his business. But as time change and people can imitate it then God reveals new Miracle challenging the knowledge of human in that Era, in Moses time magics were populate and and may may claim their work is divine. so God supported Moses with best as Miracle and opening sea which was using sight,in Jesus time medication and recovering sick people was populate and God supported the only prophet with God's soul with miraclouse rev covering, In time of prophet Mohammed already Bible were produced and learning reading and writing poems were populate. Then God supported prophet with ever best rhyme in Arabic language which may they understand it.
But god knows future and knew human will discover this screen and his knowledge reach to a point that imitate His work in Quran like this
http//suralikeit.com
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When we abrogate any miracle, or cause it to be forgotten, we produce a better miracle, or at least an equal one. Do you not recognize the fact that God is Omnipotent?
The excellency an deepness of Arabic Quran can not be seen by 7 billions poeple as they do not know Arabic.My Arabic is not enough to find if that writing has same value as Quran has but I reject it because do not have same protection with letters and numbers.
we produce a better miracle
Now we are at Hi Tech era and all our destine are based on numbers.
God clearly say
We do not see direct verses in Quran referring to count numbers in Quran but....He is fully aware of what they have. He has counted the numbers of all things.7228
When God say all things from DNA to unverses how we can exclude Quran which is His DESIGN
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Then is authoredI swear by the positions of the stars. This is an oath, if you only knew, that is awesome.*
This is an honorable Quran. In a protected book. None can grasp it except the sincere.*A revelation from the Lord of the universe.5870-85
I have posted verses that call those i INITIALS secret and proof for book.482
Do they not then reflect on the verses of Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.
Prove with your ayat now.
Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.
I think it is your turn now.dis?crep?an?cy
/diskrepns/
Noun
A lack of compatibility or similarity between two or more facts.
Synonyms
variance - difference - disagreement - contradictionI have not claimed for any discrepancy but manipulation which is 9128-129
peace -
Where is the need for you to jump from 262 to 2282 irrelevantly? Clearly you are out of context here.
peace
Oldness, low visions mistake sorry mean 262 )I am not accusing! I just want you to justify reason why you removed Allah's Ayats in sura Tauba and destroyed Quran thereby totally.
Rashad has removed and has explained why? and I accept as is rejected in hundred cases and finally in final discovery of whole book which do not function with those verses
http//purified-scripture.com/There you are going very personal showing your intolerance as you grow weaker in your defence.
It is not personal when you added to your name, the reason iam asking is if your PHD has any link with theology and Quarn study .
You call the verses of Allah as satanic verses because satan did not like those 2 verses? How do you call your Quran as purified while you fell prostrated to the likes and dislikes of satan; and when you abide by his order and removed the said verses?
You are repeating same question in many different ways and such discussion could be tiring and no ending one if you do not read material I post and pinpoint the flaw .
Not the Satanic Quran of Rashad! I am not running away; it seems your wits are running out of your time. I am following my Quran which has not been adulterated by satan.
Expecting more valuable and reasonable response than this for question, you should come with some answere which of those Quran are the right copy of burnt one. ?
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Peace everybody.
I have tried to retire from this forum few times but still I am here )
I have been enough here and is time to stay away from any discussion after this topic.Do we need books to believe in God?
Either way yes or no please explain why?
Peace.
I think people mostly believe in scriptures because they already believe in its message. Unless you already believe in God than you would believe in scriptures. Scriptures confirms what we believe. But to understand the deen you need scriptures. After all God has many signs like the creation f the universe and also the creation of human beings and animals. Fate and destiny and the life itself are God's signs. Many believers in the Muhbammedan message believed in the message before most verses of the Quran did not come down yet. Moses had his own signs and so did Jesus. The Quran is a sign after all but as a scriptures its also a guidance towards the deen. The Quran reminds Muhammad about the stories of the past prophets as a further guidance. So scriptures guide us towards the deen but faith is internal.
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7521 and leave the afterlife7431
Peace DR Eid Manipulator ,this id fits your work when like lock picker open other poeple lock and now you use your knowledge and all tools available for fiting my name or other name inot locked design by God.
Nothing wrong with, it shows your ability and your knowledge of using tools available this this era
in Satanic way to confuse the truth seekers, but your darkened minds has vieled you understanding that prophet Mohammed did not had your knowledge of computer and calculating when he scribes Quran
You have posted many times this or other manipulated patterns.
Stop such manipulation of God's Miracle and this is a warning, USE YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND DESIGN YOUR OWN PHRASE WITH 4 WORDS AND MEANINGFUL AND THE SHOW THE EMBEDDED COUNTS.
BUT REMEMBER EVEN YOU DO THAT THEN IS ANOTHER PROOF THAT QURAN WAS REVEALED TO PROPHET WHICH DID NOT PROCESS PHD IN MATH AND ACCESS TO ALL TOOLS>
PRODUCE ONE LIKE IT WITHOUT COMPUTER BY PEN AN PAPER
STOP MANIPULATION AN SABOTAGING THIS TOPIC
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I am sorry I have not offended any one intentionally but my offence is against shaitan. Rashad just fell a prey to satan by a thread from him. Allah might forgive Rashad; Allah is the only judge; we do not judge here. We all seek forgiveness to ourselves and others. Had he lived today he might have undone the damage he had caused to Quran. The killers of Dr Rashad Khalifa will be in hell for sure for they took the judgment in their hands belying that Allah is the only Judge. Thus the killers are the disbelievers in Allah and the Last Day. I am sorry. I did not mean to demean anybody. I am here to discuss and exchange my view points.
I pray for you; you pray for me.
Salam, Bahman
drfazl
Peace
You should clear your mind from your learning and have straight path on solid base, you should avoid talking with 2 sides of the mouth, in one way you write
"I am sorry I have not offended any one intentionally"
and then you claim again
"Rashad just fell a prey to satan by a thread from him."
and then again
"I am sorry. I did not mean to demean anybody."
Which one is right, make your mind please and do not be confused.
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I think people mostly believe in scriptures because they already believe in its message.
I agree with you as the majority are in this category
Unless you already believe in God than you would believe in scriptures.
Not necessary to believe in book for believing in God, I personally from age of 50-60 believeing in Creation but no scripture as they do not match and contradict to each other and that causing big problem
Scriptures confirms what we believe.
Minus the messages belongs to time and location.
But to understand the deen you need scriptures
All God needs to follow straight path, 262.
right?eous
/rCHs/
Adjective
(of a person or conduct) Morally right or justifiable; virtuous.
Perfectly wonderful; fine and genuine.
Synonyms
just - right - upright - rightful - fair - honest
I have been as far as i could before believing in God , and any body can be , there are many atheist that have this qualification.
Now since 50 i believed in God and rejecting that creation is due to chemical formation and big bang.
but resurrection was not clear for me even accepting that nothing goes to null which after witnessing Miracle i believe in it as our craetor says.After all God has many signs like the creation f the universe and also the creation of human beings and animals. Fate and destiny and the life itself are God's signs. Many believers in the Muhbammedan message believed in the message before most verses of the Quran did not come down yet. Moses had his own signs and so did Jesus.
The Quran is a sign after all but as a scriptures its also a guidance towards the deen.
The Quran reminds Muhammad about the stories of the past prophets as a further guidance. So scriptures guide us towards the deen but faith is internal.Why not older scripture, Quran is completion of older scripture and verifying those, how a book can claim is completion and verification hence without Miracle is in same level as older when most part of it is repeating same messages. ?
Peace
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Stop such manipulation of God's Miracle and this is a warning
Simple combinations no need for special tools exposes what numerologist do everyday.
Flip, flip, flip, etc., until multiples found then report to the ignorant and claim it's miracle.http//www.mathsisfun.com/combinatorics/combinations-permutations-calculator.html
This nineteen nonsense code, interlock, blah blah blah is some of the dumbest invented.
Peace
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Simple combinations no need for special tools exposes what numerologist do everyday.
Flip, flip, flip, etc., until multiples found then report to the ignorant and claim it's miracle.http//www.mathsisfun.com/combinatorics/combinations-permutations-calculator.html
This nineteen nonsense code, interlock, blah blah blah is some of the dumbest invented.
Peace
7431 )
You mean Prophet Mohammed had Mathematics PHD like you and doing flip flop the words for 23 years using tools and programms you offerhad access to your offered site ? rotflWhere you got your Phd and How )
If using 10 letters producing a phrase with beautiful meaning by 4 words then make simpler for you.
Use 3 letters and designe for words with such meaningful meaning multiple of 19
PRODUCE ONE LIKE IT WITHOUT COMPUTER BY PEN AN PAPER
Or use computer too then i consider your claims. )
Don't waste time of readers please.
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doing flip flop the words for 23 years using tools and programms you offerhad access to your offered site ?
You don't understand the simplest of things; I'm not doing anything special only showing what you are doing.
If using 10 letters producing a phrase with beautiful meaning by 4 words then make simpler for you.
It is really simple, "you write any 4 word 19 letter phrase in Arabic" post it here, we'll use your same method.
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It is really simple, "you write any 4 word 19 letter phrase in Arabic" post it here, we'll use your same method.
My Arabic is not enough to do so, you claim then do all show.
What you mean by these abbreviation , write in detailw l tl wgv lgv lgv-added
Try this then do your own show.
301
1305
1301
13030530,113,051,301,130,305=
19x 158489743690159530,113,051,301,130,3051584897436901595=
7x.........
reading in Arabic from right to left
130305 1305 1305 30153030113015301130,
Total GV
165,53030113015301130,12
7x.........
total gv in text > total words > total letters >letter I has 2 letters >letters Gv >total gv >word 2 ?.
165 4,12,1 2 301 31 2 3 1305 36 3 3 1301 32 4 4 130305 66
7x......... -
What you mean by these abbreviation , write in detail
w l tl wgv lgv lgv-added
Was this not obvious?
in name BaHMaN
26040 254050 13020084050 13020081040w l tl wgv lgv lgv-added
1 3 3 102 26040 2 62 102
2 4 7 97 254050 104 109 149 199
3 6 13 329 13020084050 200 230 430 438 478 528
4 6 19 289 13020081040 529 559 759 767 777 817Example...
1 3 3 102 26040 2 62 102w=word# 1
l=letters 3
tl=total letters 3
wgv=102
lgv=26040
lgv-added=2 62 102Try this then do your own show.
Show same consistent pattern for all 59 verses?
w lts chv text
4 19 11
4 19 14
4 19 1216
4 19 205
4 19 2023
4 19 234
4 19 2336
4 19 2654
4 19 2679
4 19 2696
4 19 2699
4 19 26114
4 19 26192
4 19 26212
4 19 3740
4 19 3752
4 19 3774
4 19 3780
4 19 3781
4 19 3796
4 19 37103
4 19 37111
4 19 37121
4 19 37123
4 19 37128
4 19 37131
4 19 37132
4 19 37141
4 19 37142
4 19 37160
4 19 3837
4 19 4054
4 19 412
4 19 4314
4 19 4427
4 19 483
4 19 5121
4 19 5134
4 19 5341
4 19 5347
4 19 5359
4 19 5617
4 19 5683
4 19 5687
4 19 6950
4 19 708
4 19 7312
4 19 7618
4 19 7744
4 19 8040
4 19 8042
4 19 8328
4 19 8330
4 19 8333
4 19 848
4 19 849
4 19 8712
4 19 8927
4 19 1071Peace
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Was this not obvious?
Example...
1 3 3 102 26040 2 62 102w=word# 1
l=letters 3
tl=total letters 3
wgv=102
lgv=26040
lgv-added=2 62 102 ?peace )
lgv-added=2 62 102 ?
what is 62Show same consistent pattern for all 59 verses?
w lts chv text
4 19 11
....I asked you write your own text in Arabic with 4 words and 19 letters then do your show.
Thank you for your search if you are right there are 112 unnumbered Bsm 4 w 19 l plus another 59 numbered verses having 4 w and 19 l = 171 =19x9 total of all verses having same property as first verse. ! may be something more into it.
Do you think this is coincidence ? )
Do you claim that all those 58 verses can be manipulated as you did with first one and have same patterns already you have.?
Peace
PS YOUR OWN TEXT NOT QURAN. -
peace )
lgv-added=2 62 102 ?
what is 62
I asked you write your own text in Arabic with 4 words and 19 letters then do your show.
Thank you for your search if you are right there are 112 unnumbered Bsm 4 w 19 l plus another 59 numbered verses having 4 w and 19 l = 171 =19x9 total of all verses having same property as first verse. ! may be something more into it.
Do you think this is coincidence ? )
Do you claim that all those 58 verses can be manipulated as you did with first one and have same patterns already you have.?
Peace
PS YOUR OWN TEXT NOT QURAN.There are ONLY 152 ( 19x verses ending NUN with 4 words and 19 letters in Quran
God blesses Eid AbdAllah showing him His creation of Quran may he understand.
This is not first time that in middle of his critics new fact appears .
One of his most complicated and amazing discovery has been following which the file link is broken .Fact 7
My finding for adding 3 digits 666 concluded
Dr.Eid Abdallah discovery that table after adding 2 verses convert any random 3 , 21, 39 ...by adding 18 digits each time to infinite;
Any figure with having digits divisible by 18 with reminder 3 in either side of table converts to multiple of 19Table 23
Peace )
Please use explorer -
There are ONLY 152 (19x verses ending NUN with 4 words and 19 letters in Quran
God blesses Eid AbdAllah showing him His creation of Quran may he understand.
This is not first time that in middle of his critics new fact appears .
One of his most complicated and amazing discovery has been following which the file link is broken .Fact 7
My finding for adding 3 digits 666 concluded
Dr.Eid Abdallah discovery that table after adding 2 verses convert any random 3 , 21, 39 ...by adding 18 digits each time to infinite;
Any figure with having digits divisible by 18 with reminder 3 in either side of table converts to multiple of 19Table 23
Peace
Please use explorerPeace everybody,
I started this topic for simple answer and reason why we should believe in books or not, but as usual the discussion took off the topic when Dr.Fazi claimed for his understand of initials A LM and then as usual Dr.Eid Abdallh as usual poured all kinds of numbers, but finally if Satan schemes God knows best and you witness how the claim are in benefit of God's Miracle.Thsi forum has very good search engine and it can be used to post older discussions by a line of url .
For example using my name in first verse is not knew and just entering part of claim we find more pages about it.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16958.msg293326#msg293326
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603635.msg295531#msg295531
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603452.msg292706#msg292706
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=10044.msg232651#msg232651Quote from NunHolidayPseudoEidRex on December 20, 2009, 190526
The last one gives warning Malvare ahead
IF any moderator reading this try it and may a virus nesting in forum!!!!!
Hope this helps to keep this topic clean.
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lgv-added=2 62 102 ?
what is 6226040
(2) (2+60=62) (2+60+40=102)
thus 2 62 102I asked you write your own text in Arabic with 4 words and 19 letters then do your show.
You claim there is code thus burden is on the claimant.
Try to reproduce this 4 word 19 letter text/pattern...
indeed we gave you to drink it the wine traces
150 16010010501204065 13060040200 1500 = 19 x ...
2+10+5+2 = 19 x 1
2 10 5 2 = 19 x 1108
2 1 10 2 5 3 2 4 = 19 x 11106596
2 1 12 2 17 3 19 4 = 19 x 1111693326
3 1 15 2 23 3 29 4 = 19 x 1639591226
51 1 293 2 871 3 501 4 = 19 x 26910173007106
51 1 344 2 1215 3 1716 4 = 19 x 2691285327121956Do you think this is coincidence ?
Not coincidence each time you come across non-multiple you skip or add/delete to make multiple.
Do you claim that all those 58 verses can be manipulated as you did with first one and have same patterns already you have.?
No, that is what you have to show is a consistent pattern and apply to every verse.
That is code; input variables in consistent exact sequence each time output multiple.Peace
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26040
(2) (2+60=62) (2+60+40=102)
thus 2 62 102You claim there is code thus burden is on the claimant.
Try to reproduce this 4 word 19 letter text/pattern...
indeed we gave you to drink it the wine traces
150 16010010501204065 13060040200 1500 = 19 x ...
2+10+5+2 = 19 x 1
2 10 5 2 = 19 x 1108
2 1 10 2 5 3 2 4 = 19 x 11106596
2 1 12 2 17 3 19 4 = 19 x 1111693326
3 1 15 2 23 3 29 4 = 19 x 1639591226
51 1 293 2 871 3 501 4 = 19 x 26910173007106
51 1 344 2 1215 3 1716 4 = 19 x 2691285327121956Not coincidence each time you come across non-multiple you skip or add/delete to make multiple.
No, that is what you have to show is a consistent pattern and apply to every verse.
That is code; input variables in consistent exact sequence each time output multiple.Peace
you have posted 5 times and now 6th .
You are proud of your work when using computer and programs to find words that fit into your cumulation and such forcing has caused such micky mouse design with none sense meaning.
color=red] indeed we gave you to drink it the wine tracesindeed we gave you to drink it the wine traces !!!c
I let those that know good Arabic check it and those that are good in English translate it.
How ever even you make a good text you have used computer to adjust it to your need. and certainly your work is a DESIGN to function with code 19 .
If yours is design then why those discoveries are not considered same as your work without using computer.?For consistency i have shown how chapters with same patterns could be categorized into groups, i did not had time to do whole book as ima not very good like you for these kinds of calc. you may complete it ;D
Nothing is coincidence even our presence on this screen and discussing such issues.
Regardless proof for book have it or do not have it the question is the topic.
We may stop this calc and take to the place which has been pondered many times and let others share their comments, you very welcome for your input but just topic please.
Thank you for your effort and causing some new thing to be discovered by you as i have explained in previous posts
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Returning to the original question
Do we need books to believe in God?
Either way yes or no please explain why?
I posted here before, but remembered this quotation
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abd Allah "We were with the Prophet when a Companion brought in a fledgling which he had caught, and one of the parent birds came and threw itself into the hands of him who had taken its young.
I saw men's faces full of wonderment, and the Prophet said
'Do ye wonder at this bird? Ye have taken its young, and it hath thrown itself down in merciful tenderness unto its young. Yet I swear by God, your Lord is more merciful unto you than is this bird unto its fledgling.'And he told the man to put back the young bird where he had found it."
(Martin Lings, Muhammad His Life Based on the Earliest Sources, p. 20
http//www.quranclub.net/2009/11/fledgling.html'Yet I swear by God, your Lord is more merciful unto you than is this bird unto its fledgling' Did the parent bird tweet instructions to its fledgling? Did it write anything in a book to its fledgling? So too with Allah.
It's interesting, as an Orthodox Christian, I have read stuff Muslims have written against God becoming incarnate, and agree with what they say fully, in no way twisting things. It's just that our Christian terminology is somewhat loose (although various long councils have explained our beliefs more fully) that is why I can read the Quran and agree with it.
Jesus is the Word bestowed on Mary, the Word which took flesh from her. Therefore we do not need words or books to listen to or to learn from if we can find the Word-in-humanity inside us.
Simply really,
Richard
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Therefore we do not need words or books to listen to or to learn from if we can find the Word-in-humanity inside us.
Simply really,
RichardPeace
Agree but when we promote existence of God on this screen then we need proof for such claim.
My source for such proof is Quran.
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Peace
Agree but when we promote existence of God on this screen then we need proof for such claim.
My source for such proof is Quran.
PeaceDepends on your interpretation of Jesus being the Word bestowed on Mary. Do we read the Quran alone (or with hadith) to try to understand it, or assume the same understanding as the Christian Ethiopian King to whom these verses were quoted?
peace
Richard