Do we need books to believe in God?

Bahman

From this what I learn from you is unless one who is lucky enough to know Arabic, Quran is out of bounds to them.

Pleas read this tread

I am not sure why Rashad used Mathematical for his discovery, general public mathematic means calculating using number for formula and equation, a primary school student cn understand it easily which is pure number interlocked to each other and there is no other way to fit unless changing understanding Interlock is very simple and simplest one is jig saw puzzle which there is only one way for fitting each peace and no probability, which is interlock, I call Miracle
Numerical Textual Security Interlocking System

And then, you have to be well-versed in Arabic to get anywhere near Quran. Am I right?

For meaning you are and yet you may be another translation differing from others, I prefer to use translation for reading but for witnessing God's design of text and how is interlocked knowing alphabet is enough, it can bee witnessed even by one letter Q which have same shape as English or simplest one
is this one

I believe unless one ponders, reminisces, reflects and strive to rehearse every single ayat with sense of justification and purity at heart alone can even touch Quran. If you really need to know the ayats ask for it I will produce them.

God made it easy to understand and we should stay away from making it difficult, God is only teacher of Quran , in older time our parents were illiterate and school ans cholar were teaching words of God in all religions, now we have proof for Quran and this screen , slowly those school get empty unless forcing people to attend, this screen is best source for study and no scholar can replace it. There would not be paid job as scholar for explaining God's words as God warned prophet is not his duty to explain.

Now I want the ayat from you that says Quran is meant only for Arabic pundits and scholars; and meant only for mathematicians with sound knowledge in interlock patterns.

Not such verse exist and in above I have explained it that we do not need Mathematic jus 4 arithmetic functions -+/* little patience and knowing how interlock works in text like Q in chapter 50

I am independent learner of Quran without being tainted by mullahs and madrasahs. I am the one who disengaged from the parental pseudo religion called Islam.

Masha Allah, that is great and you are right but you need water in your tank and you need proof for Quran other way it is another scripture like the previous one.
God bless you for your clear path.

I do not want to be blind. Show me a plain ayat that says about interlock patterns and sound Arabic knowledge is essential to prove this Quran is from Allah. Before that I will show you the verse how to testify that this is from Allah and not from man.

I am not rejecting Text Miracle of Quran in its time and even now for those like you know good Arabic.
Writting such rhymes and deepness in meaning which loose it in translation could not be work of prophet that only knew ABJAD for his business. But as time change and people can imitate it then God reveals new Miracle challenging the knowledge of human in that Era, in Moses time magics were populate and and may may claim their work is divine. so God supported Moses with best as Miracle and opening sea which was using sight,in Jesus time medication and recovering sick people was populate and God supported the only prophet with God's soul with miraclouse rev covering, In time of prophet Mohammed already Bible were produced and learning reading and writing poems were populate. Then God supported prophet with ever best rhyme in Arabic language which may they understand it.
But god knows future and knew human will discover this screen and his knowledge reach to a point that imitate His work in Quran like this
http//suralikeit.com
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When we abrogate any miracle, or cause it to be forgotten, we produce a better miracle, or at least an equal one. Do you not recognize the fact that God is Omnipotent?
The excellency an deepness of Arabic Quran can not be seen by 7 billions poeple as they do not know Arabic.

My Arabic is not enough to find if that writing has same value as Quran has but I reject it because do not have same protection with letters and numbers.

we produce a better miracle

Now we are at Hi Tech era and all our destine are based on numbers.
God clearly say
We do not see direct verses in Quran referring to count numbers in Quran but

....He is fully aware of what they have. He has counted the numbers of all things.7228

When God say all things from DNA to unverses how we can exclude Quran which is His DESIGN
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Then is authored

I swear by the positions of the stars. This is an oath, if you only knew, that is awesome.*
This is an honorable Quran. In a protected book. None can grasp it except the sincere.*A revelation from the Lord of the universe.5870-85
I have posted verses that call those i INITIALS secret and proof for book.

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Do they not then reflect on the verses of Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.
Prove with your ayat now.
Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.
I think it is your turn now.

dis?crep?an?cy
/diskrepns/
Noun
A lack of compatibility or similarity between two or more facts.
Synonyms
variance - difference - disagreement - contradiction

I have not claimed for any discrepancy but manipulation which is 9128-129
peace

Bahman

Where is the need for you to jump from 262 to 2282 irrelevantly? Clearly you are out of context here.

peace
Oldness, low visions mistake sorry mean 262 )

I am not accusing! I just want you to justify reason why you removed Allah's Ayats in sura Tauba and destroyed Quran thereby totally.

Rashad has removed and has explained why? and I accept as is rejected in hundred cases and finally in final discovery of whole book which do not function with those verses
http//purified-scripture.com/

There you are going very personal showing your intolerance as you grow weaker in your defence.

It is not personal when you added to your name, the reason iam asking is if your PHD has any link with theology and Quarn study .

You call the verses of Allah as satanic verses because satan did not like those 2 verses? How do you call your Quran as purified while you fell prostrated to the likes and dislikes of satan; and when you abide by his order and removed the said verses?

You are repeating same question in many different ways and such discussion could be tiring and no ending one if you do not read material I post and pinpoint the flaw .

Not the Satanic Quran of Rashad! I am not running away; it seems your wits are running out of your time. I am following my Quran which has not been adulterated by satan.

Expecting more valuable and reasonable response than this for question, you should come with some answere which of those Quran are the right copy of burnt one. ?
Peace

Bigmo

Peace everybody.
I have tried to retire from this forum few times but still I am here )
I have been enough here and is time to stay away from any discussion after this topic.