Story of Solomon , Queen of Saba and Jinns

noshirk

Bonjour noshirk.

Merci.

Quel est l origine de cette draduction?

Je veux bien lire , je suis curieux.

Pouvez vous me donner l adresse/link, si c est possible.

Merci d avance.

Peace.

Bonjour Good Logic
trouv? ici
http//nawaat.org/portail/2012/12/05/ibadat-el-chouyoukhs-6-anges-jinns-demons-et-satan/
Cette traduction est la r?sultante d'une grande r?flexion sur les Jinns, Satan etc...
Jinn Dukhani (il semble d?sormais refuser le titre de Cheikh) est arriv? au huiti?me ?pisode.

Son style est tr?s particulier mais il ne faut pas oublier qu'il "pr?che" sur un site non religieux.

Cordialement

good_logic

Peace noshirk.

L adresse que tu mas donner arrive ici a " Free minds.org"?

Peut etre il y a une faute.

Voulez vous essayer une deixieme fois c il vous plait?

Merci beaucoup.

Peace.

farida

salaam

Just to remind you; this is Free Mind and the language for all in this section is English, so that despite cold weather and snow we can still see the sun

peace

noshirk

Bonjour good logic (Salaam Farida)

copie et colle ce lien (paste and copy this link);
http//nawaat.org/portail/2012/12/05/ibadat-el-chouyoukhs-6-anges-jinns-demons-et-satan/

?a marches (it works).

je ne sais pas pourquoi nawaat.org est remplac? par free-minds.org dans le hyperlien.
(i don't know why nawaat.org is replaced by free-minds.org in the hypertext).

?a doit encore ?tre un coup des Jinns. Qu'est ce qu'ils sont farceurs !
(it must be a farce from Jinns. What jokers they are!)

cordialement (friendly)

farida

Bonjour good logic (Salaam Farida)

copie et colle ce lien (paste and copy this link);
http//nawaat.org/portail/2012/12/05/ibadat-el-chouyoukhs-6-anges-jinns-demons-et-satan/

?a marches (it works).

je ne sais pas pourquoi nawaat.org est remplac? par free-minds.org dans le hyperlien.
(i don't know why nawaat.org is replaced by free-minds.org in the hypertext).

?a doit encore ?tre un coup des Jinns. Qu'est ce qu'ils sont farceurs !
(it must be a farce from Jinns. What jokers they are!)

cordialement (friendly)

salaam et merci

Dit mois pourqois vous avez adoptee pour votre langue de communication ici, quand vous savez tres bien que le langue pour 'Free-Minds est strictement anglais? Vous pouvez toujours discutez en francais sous un autre detaille de Free-Minds.

peace

good_logic

Peace noshirk, Farida.

Thank you both.

C est fini maintenant!

I have got it.

Both the link and what Farida said.

Back to English now. Sorry!

Peace.

mmmm

Assalamu alaykum, thank you for the explanation but I still have to research it for myself, inshallah. We also have to be aware that we are limited in knowledge - we falsely assume that this is the peak of civilization and we put our own mind as a criterion and since it is limited we can easily fall into wrong conclusions.

I have recently read a book and this sentence stuck in my mind "One of the things that make life so miraculous is that you can understand it, know ?the truth,? and know that anything against the laws of nature (God?s law) are impossible. If miracles were possible, it would mean life is not understandable, that there is no truth of life. "

...so I started asking myself if all miracles mentioned in the Qur'an are actually physically explainable (to me the above sentence made sense especially since we know that God doesn't change his way according to the Qur'an 3362). There were some possible explanations for some of the stories except for the Solomon story and the Moses story I am still seeking the real meaning and explanation...alhamdulillah I came upon this post ) Do you have some explanation for the Moses and the splitting of the sea? Jazakumullah khayren.

Harun

Peace Bro noshirk (its irritating...plz tell either ur real or nick name)

I do agree with ur reasoning.

For a light side, I am a B.S. Undergraduate Freshman. As a matter of fact, I studied a course in my first sem on organismal biology. It concerned mainly about the ant and wasp community and their behaviour. We were also involved in fieldwork a bit. And we were asked to submit our analysis reports on ant behaviour observed, and my report started with "And the queen of the ants said "....."" from the quranic verse. I but think ants are capable enough of conversation.

I don't know it was becoz of this or my analysis, I got the highest grades in the whole batch....lololo

Now I feel happy and consider myself a maniac in the past, who used to justify the totally unscientific reasoning of Hadithic Interpretation and rationalize them using pseudoscience.lolololol....

Its a great blessing of the Lord.

Peace
Harun.

herbman

Assalamu alaykum, thank you for the explanation but I still have to research it for myself, inshallah. We also have to be aware that we are limited in knowledge - we falsely assume that this is the peak of civilization and we put our own mind as a criterion and since it is limited we can easily fall into wrong conclusions.

I have recently read a book and this sentence stuck in my mind "One of the things that make life so miraculous is that you can understand it, know ?the truth,? and know that anything against the laws of nature (God?s law) are impossible. If miracles were possible, it would mean life is not understandable, that there is no truth of life. "

...so I started asking myself if all miracles mentioned in the Qur'an are actually physically explainable (to me the above sentence made sense especially since we know that God doesn't change his way according to the Qur'an 3362). There were some possible explanations for some of the stories except for the Solomon story and the Moses story I am still seeking the real meaning and explanation...alhamdulillah I came upon this post Do you have some explanation for the Moses and the splitting of the sea? Jazakumullah khayren.

Salam,

this might help
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599235.0

Peace

noshirk

Assalamu alaykum, thank you for the explanation but I still have to research it for myself, inshallah. We also have to be aware that we are limited in knowledge - we falsely assume that this is the peak of civilization and we put our own mind as a criterion and since it is limited we can easily fall into wrong conclusions.

I have recently read a book and this sentence stuck in my mind "One of the things that make life so miraculous is that you can understand it, know ?the truth,? and know that anything against the laws of nature (God?s law) are impossible. If miracles were possible, it would mean life is not understandable, that there is no truth of life. "

...so I started asking myself if all miracles mentioned in the Qur'an are actually physically explainable (to me the above sentence made sense especially since we know that God doesn't change his way according to the Qur'an 3362). There were some possible explanations for some of the stories except for the Solomon story and the Moses story I am still seeking the real meaning and explanation...alhamdulillah I came upon this post ) Do you have some explanation for the Moses and the splitting of the sea? Jazakumullah khayren.

salaam
i have a response, but probably it is not THE response and more probably you will not accept it.

http//modernsurvivalblog.com/earthquakes/major-earthquake-swarm-off-yemen-trouble/
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604241.0

Poor Somalians. iI seems that one day, the will be no more africans.

peace

mirjamnur

Salam Noshirk
thanks for sharing this i feel inlighted ;D
i don't know, but for me is the language from the Quran many times as the language in my dreams- allegorical stories to ponder over and to learn so much... subhanAllah

and i'm very happy to found anybody who gave me a link in French - because i love this language and i don't like to forget it
salam and peace

noshirk

Peace Bro noshirk (its irritating...plz tell either ur real or nick name)

I do agree with ur reasoning.

For a light side, I am a B.S. Undergraduate Freshman. As a matter of fact, I studied a course in my first sem on organismal biology. It concerned mainly about the ant and wasp community and their behaviour. We were also involved in fieldwork a bit. And we were asked to submit our analysis reports on ant behaviour observed, and my report started with "And the queen of the ants said "....."" from the quranic verse. I but think ants are capable enough of conversation.

I don't know it was becoz of this or my analysis, I got the highest grades in the whole batch....lololo

Now I feel happy and consider myself a maniac in the past, who used to justify the totally unscientific reasoning of Hadithic Interpretation and rationalize them using pseudoscience.lolololol....

Its a great blessing of the Lord.

Peace
Harun.

Salaam

2718 Until they came to a valley of ants, a female ant said "O ants, enter your homes else you will be crushed by Solomon and his soldiers while they do not notice."

That is much more than a simple communication. The female ant seems to know who is salomon and salomon heard it.

Dear harun, many smart and educated people are lost people.
Hope that you will not pollute what God gave you with your own and others human inventions.
It took me much time to remove bullshits from my mind. I have not finished yet.
As i said to StopS, truth is not only rejecting lies but mainly reading truth. Many auto proclamed quranists forget to read the great readings. Many of them use quran as pretext to build their own religion from scratch.

Peace

Jandar

Two misunderstandings.
First one Jinn doesn?t mean ?amazing creature?. Jinn is simply human Imagination that gather in communities. I will not discuss this point in this thread.
What is meant in this verse is that Solomon can mobilize (jannada) human, their imagination and was given by God an access to all the knowledge gathered by humans in the religious fields (true and false beliefs).

Hi,

If you interpret Jinn as "HUMAN Imagination" then can you explain how this interpretation fits with (1526-27)?

Sahih International
And We did certainly create man out of clay from an altered black mud.
Muhsin Khan
And indeed, We created man from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.
Pickthall
Verily We created man of potter's clay of black mud altered,
Yusuf Ali
We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;
Shakir
And certainly We created man of clay that gives forth sound, of black mud fashioned in shape.
Dr. Ghali
And indeed We already created man of dry clay of mud modeled.

1527

Sahih International
And the jinn We created before from scorching fire.
Muhsin Khan
And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire.
Pickthall
And the jinn did We create aforetime of essential fire.
Yusuf Ali
And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind.
Shakir
And the jinn We created before, of intensely hot fire.
Dr. Ghali
And the jinn race We created earlier of the fire (The Arabic word samum is sometimes understood to be pestilential wind) of a pestilential (fire).

Does it make sense that Allah created "human imagination" (1527) BEFORE mankind itself (1526) and then called it 'Iblis'?

and how is "Human Imagination" made of smokless fire/scorching wind?

I don't see how your interpretation fits with the rest of the Quran about the Djinn.

Thanks.

noshirk

Salaam Jandar

Does it make sense that Allah created "human imagination" (1527) BEFORE mankind itself (1526) and then called it 'Iblis'?

It seems that it make sense

7172 And your Lord took for the children of Adam from their backs (I Think Jandar was there), their progeny; and He made them witness over themselves "Am I not your Lord?" They said "Yes, we bear witness." Thus you cannot say on the Day of Resurrection that you were unaware of that

3372 We have offered the trust to the heavens and the earth, and the mountains, but they refused to bear it, and were fearful of it. But man (I Think Jandar was there)accepted it; he was transgressing, ignorant.

8928 Return to your Lord happy and content (why Jandar have to return if he wasn't there).

4011 They will say Our Lord, You have made us die twice (did Jandar already died once ?), and You have given us life twice. Now we have confessed our sins. Is there any way out of this state.

Really, it seems like there were a Jandar Jinn before Human Jandar.

and how is "Human Imagination" made of smokless fire/scorching wind?

1850 And We said to the angels "Yield to Adam." So they all yielded except for Ibliss. He was of the Jinn, he disobeyed the order of his Lord. Will you take him and his progeny as allies besides Me, while they are your enemy? Miserable for the transgress

so Ibliss was a malaika + Ibliss is Jinn and thanks to 1527 whe have
Jinn, malaika, chayatins and Ibliss made all from "fire."

On the other side, Science would be very interested if you know constitution and location of imagination and from where comes your new ideas.

In fact, i am even interested by chemical formula of fire. Please don't tell me that it is a chemical reaction.
What is fire ? I just to want to sell bottles containing fire.

I don't see how your interpretation fits with the rest of the Quran about the Djinn.

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604954.0

In turn, now, my questions to Muhsin Khan,Pickthall,Yusuf Ali,Shakir and Dr. Ghali and all great scientific of islam.

6130 "O assembly of Jinn and mankind, did not messengers come to you from among you and tell to you My revelations......
Why Jinns Have to use our Quran ? Wouldn't be better if their messengers brought them a Quran from fire ? Sure they will better understand.
Who is adam of fire ? is there an abraham from fire ? A Jesus of fire ?

6112 And as such, We have permitted the enemies of every prophet ? mankind and Jinn devils ? to inspire each other with fancy words in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.

What is human Chaytan if chaytan is from fire ?
Is there a relation between fire (Jinn material) and Fire (Jehennem Material) ?
How to burn fire with fire ? Is there a special fire for fire ?

1145 ?Who whispers into the chests of the people.?
1146 ?From the Jinn and the people.?
really, these story of fire are very complicated. Who whipers in Chest of Jinns and why chaytan has to whisper to them throught ours Chests ?

726 ?And there were men from among mankind who used to seek help from the men among the Jinn, but they only helped increase them in sin.?.
Please, if i want to seek help from a Jinn, how can i do ?
I tried to contact them, i never succeded. Even Muslims Jinn of Fire don't want to respond !

How they pray? Is there a Bukhari of Fire ? How is their Kaaba of fire ? Have they knees for soujoud ? Have they Kaab in the feet for oudhou ? Do they eat an drink ? How is a sandwich of fire ? is there coffee from fire ? did they fast ? how and where they make Hajj ? What about tarawihs ? Did they have cars of fire or did they use camel or donkeys of fire ? Have they more scientific knowledge than us ? Why God tell them stories about our prophets and never tell us about stories of their prophets ? is there Jinn jews ? Zoraosaters Jinns ? Bouddhist Jinns ? Have they democraty ? Did they play soccer ?

Did they have Jinns scientists ? Did their scientists just copy our science ? How is their music ? Have they internet ? can they partcipate on our forum ?

And finally
how Quran can claim to be complete if he doesn't respond to all these questions ?
how Quran can claim to be complete for Jinns if he doesn't tell to Jinns anything about their history, science, messengers.... ?

I accept any coherent explanation. Even false. Just coherent.
If my questions seems stupid, perhaps it is not the fault of my questions ???
Cannot be more comprehensive

Peace

Jandar