SURA FATIHA IS NOT IN THE "ORIGINAL QURAN"
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Peace farida -- the same al-amiyr's who advocates stoning is in the book?
Peace
Peace Nun
Have you read the Book/al-kitaab to understand details of this ?
You can use my translation template although it says exactly the opposite -- that the book is Qur'an!
No I can't, in fact I have altered your's according to my understanding of 'al-kitaab and aayaat'.
BTW, I've noticed you have a cult following of this al-amiyr character; one of the worst posters to visit the site
That is your observation not my approach. I will quote my friend here; I suppose we can borrow from the Buddhists' saying about how the teacher appears when the student is ready.
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As you can see from all of the above the Qur'aan is speaking about a book which ALLAAH had sent to the world and the world was never absent from at least the knowledge of the Book (al-kitaab). It is not speaking about the Torah which the Jews have protected like no other book in human history. They have never discarded the Torah behind their backs and nor have they had doubt in it. But it is the Book (al-kitaab) that they have discarded and which they dispute among themselves. Some remnants of the Book(al-kitaab) are found in the kabbalah but not all Jews accept it as there is none to explain it any longer among them as among Christians as among Muslims. The nations are fighting vain battles.
al-amiyr's type people have all along been there perhaps since 6th BC. They were even there in the days Qur'aan was revealed. They also used to say things for which they had no evidence to support their contention.
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al-amiyr's type people have all along been there perhaps since 6th BC. They were even there in the days Qur'aan was revealed. They also used to say things for which they had no evidence to support their contention.
in that case can you put forward your evidence in support of what you say above ? sun
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Have you read the Book/al-kitaab to understand details of this ?No I can't, in fact I have altered your's according to my understanding of 'al-kitaab and aayaat'.
Peace farida -- explain exactly in context what "it" refers to?
413 a book/scripture explained its verses Qur?an Arabic for folk who know
432 and the book/scripture the clear
433 indeed We We made it Qur?an Arabic that may use reason -
Peace farida -- explain exactly in context what "it" refers to?
413 a book/scripture explained its verses Qur?an Arabic for folk who know
432 and the book/scripture the clear
433 indeed We We made it Qur?an Arabic that may use reasonPeace Nun
- Check properly; does not mean it's verses. Remember to use You can google it. Just make sure you spell it right insha'allaah
- Why don't you check the meaning of ? Or study chapter 96 verse 1 of the Qur'aan.
Once you get to the bottom of these two words you would be in a better positon to argue insha'allaah
salaam
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- Check properly; does not mean it's verses. Remember to use You can google it. Just make sure you spell it right insha'allaah
- Why don't you check the meaning of ? Or study chapter 96 verse 1 of the Qur'aan.
Once you get to the bottom of these two words you would be in a better positon to argue insha'allaah
Peace farida,
3164 truly from The God over the believers when raised among them messenger from their souls/selves reciting on them His verses and purifying them and teaching them the book and the wisdom and indeed they are of from before surely in misguidance clear
Not about meaning of ytuhu (verses/signs its) rather that it ties the book to Qur'an.
413 kitbun/book explained ytuhu/its verses (or its signs if you like) a Qur?an Arabic for folk who know
Therefore Book = Qur'an
Likewise...
432-3 wal-kitbi/and the book the clear; indeed We jaalnhu/We made it (i.e. the book) a Qur?an Arabic that may use reason
Now do you still agree with al-amiyr that stoning is in the book or Qur'an, since you asked me this once?
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Peace Nun
- Check properly; does not mean it's verses. Remember to use You can google it. Just make sure you spell it right insha'allaah
- Why don't you check the meaning of ? Or study chapter 96 verse 1 of the Qur'aan.
Once you get to the bottom of these two words you would be in a better positon to argue insha'allaah
salaam
Before I reply to any post I must correct my mistake above as I was rushing for my dentist appointment when I misspelled it.
Arabic or is the Arabic word for evidence, or sign, with an at the beginning.
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Before I reply to any post I must correct my mistake above as I was rushing for my dentist appointment when I misspelled it.
Arabic or is the Arabic word for evidence, or sign, with an at the beginning.
salaamPeace farida ? again not about verses/signs and you?re purposely being silent on the stoning question?
413 a book explained its VERSES Qur?an Arabic for folk who know
4144 and if We made it Qur?an of foreign (language) they would say why not explained its VERSES?432 and the book the clear
433 indeed We We made it (i.e. the book) Qur?an Arabic that may use reason7516 not move with it your tongue to hasten with it
7517 indeed upon Us its collection and its Qur?an/recital
7518 so when We recited it so follow its Qur?an/recital
7519 furthermore indeed upon Us its explanationIt is clear from above VERSES (call them SIGNS if you like) the book is Qur?an and no stoning in the book/Qur?an.
Peace
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Peace farida,
3164 truly from The God over the believers when raised among them messenger from their souls/selves reciting on them His verses and purifying them and teaching them the book and the wisdom and indeed they are of from before surely in misguidance clear
Not about meaning of ytuhu (verses/signs its) rather that it ties the book to Qur'an.
Therefore Book = Qur'an
Likewise...
432-3 wal-kitbi/and the book the clear; indeed We jaalnhu/We made it (i.e. the book) a Qur?an Arabic that may use reason
Now do you still agree with al-amiyr that stoning is in the book or Qur'an, since you asked me this once?
salaam Nun
For now I would suggest if you free your mind and adopt more humble attitude you may see how I see it
The aayat/sign/symbol/letters tied to the Book/al-kitaab in the Readings/al-Qur'aan413 kitbun/book explained ytuhu/its verses (or its signs if you like) a Qur?an Arabic for folk who know
Campare http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Ayy
and http//corpus.quran.com/search.jsp?q=surah
You see in one case they have given you choice to use either verse or sign but in the next one they failed to give meaning of surah so maybe you can give me it's translation
salaam -
For now I would suggest if you free your mind and adopt more humble attitude you may see how I see it
The aayat/sign/symbol/letters tied to the Book/al-kitaab in the Readings/al-Qur'aanPeace -- again not what's being debated; leave untranslated see it still ties the book to Qur'an...
413 a book explained ytuhu Qur?an Arabic for folk who know
Do you not see that?
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Peace farida ? again not about verses/signs and you?re purposely being silent on the stoning question?
413 a book explained its VERSES Qur?an Arabic for folk who know
4144 and if We made it Qur?an of foreign (language) they would say why not explained its VERSES?432 and the book the clear
433 indeed We We made it (i.e. the book) Qur?an Arabic that may use reason7516 not move with it your tongue to hasten with it
7517 indeed upon Us its collection and its Qur?an/recital
7518 so when We recited it so follow its Qur?an/recital
7519 furthermore indeed upon Us its explanationPeace
Peace Nun
No! I was not purposely being silent on the stoning question, I am at initial stage of learning al-kitaab, so applying 7516 not move with it your tongue to hasten with it
Soon I wil be in position to address it insha'allaah.It is clear from above VERSES (call them SIGNS if you like) the book is Qur?an and no stoning in the book/Qur?an.
Again please learn to differentiate between al-kitaab and al-Qur'aan only then you will understand what I am saying insha'allaah
salaam
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learn to differentiate between al-kitaab and al-Qur'aan only then you will understand what I am saying insha'allaah
Peace farida -- the verses clearly tie the book to Qur'an. giveup
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Peace -- again not what's being debated; leave untranslated see it still ties the book to Qur'an...
413 a book explained ytuhu Qur?an Arabic for folk who know
Do you not see that?
Of course The Book/al-kitaab revealed /sign/symbols/ letters that makes the Recitation/Reading/al-Qur'aan/the Qur'aan
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Peace farida -- the verses clearly tie the book to Qur'an. giveup
Peace Nun
Please don't give up you are almost there insha'allaah
pay attention to this;
The Arabic language of the Qur'aan is a detailed explanation of the Book (al-kitaab). The aayaat (the signs and the symblols) which ALLAAH speaks about throughout the Qur'aan. They are what constitutes the writing of the Book (al-kitaab) and the Qur'aan is its Reading/Recitation.salaam
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They are what constitutes the writing of the Book (al-kitaab) and the Qur'aan is its Reading/Recitation.
Peace farida, hence they are the same!
413 a book explained ytuhu Qur?an Arabic for folk who know
Do you not see that?
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Peace farida, hence they are the same!
Peace Nun
I know this much about that you do not give up easily so let?s reflect again without any prejudice;
The Qur'aan is not only a book that one can read but the reading comes from a writing. And this writing of the Qur'aan is not just a hollow nothing but every letter has meaning and in these are the sign of ALLAAH.
I will quote for you brother Alkitab so you know that there are others who do understand and see the two concepts;8-7 And when allh promised you one of the two parties should be yours, and you were wishing that the one not accoutered should be yours; but allh was desiring to verify / yhk the truth / alhk by His words / klmth, and to cut off cut off the roots of the Unbelievers
they wined them by "word's of allh / klmt allh " , mean allh made by his words / klmt the physical possibilities at the external and internal level that lead to the victory prepared and available to the believers to win
In the other hand the "allh's speech / klam allh " is the recited order / judgement / explanations, that people should reflect upon and follow at the social level.http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604789.270
Please pay attention it starts with our mind; the war to defeat ShayTan, & how terrified ShayTan and his allies are that we get the knowleget to crush them insha'allaahsalaam
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The Qur'aan is not only a book that one can read but the reading comes from a writing.
Peace farida -- there you wrote it again, Qur'an is the book!
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604789.270
Please pay attention it starts with our mind; the war to defeat ShayTan, & how terrified ShayTan and his allies are that we get the knowleget to crush them insha'allaahWhat?
There are no coherent thoughts in that thread; the guy promotes stoning, says it's in the book; into ancestor worship.
We get one of these delusional Mahdi numerologist characters pop out of the internet bushes every six months or so.Peace
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Peace farida -- there you wrote it again, Qur'an is the book!
Peace
Peace Nun
So are you saying that The People of the Book (?ahl_ul_kitaab) received and follow al-Qur'aan?What?
Yes if you pay attention you'll find that all war's start in the mind. Even this exchange of posts between me and you is a battle of minds, as one of us thinks too highly of his own intelligence and refuses to see the other's point, or simply discards it as nonsense. Time will tell who will stick to what s/he holds as god and who will submit insha'allaah.
There are no coherent thoughts in that thread; the guy promotes stoning, says it's in the book; into ancestor worship.
Maybe you are too busy to read those threads properly; as you can see from many others who have read his posts sincerely, they are finding truth there
We get one of these delusional Mahdi numerologist characters pop out of the internet bushes every six months or so.
You know he has not even started expounding on numerology, yet you have made up your mind already, so what can I say except giveup
salaam
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Salam,
Perhaps this scholarly quote is borrowed from alamyr.
Of course it is, I am al-amiyr's student and learned from what he explain's in plain English, if I find that my words do not work then I use his or other's quotes and I don't have to put al-amiyr's name all the time as I made sure I had his prior permission to borrow his quote .
BTW you still have not replied to; Quote from Mazhar on Yesterday at 010511 AM
l-amiyr's type people have all along been there perhaps since 6th BC. They were even there in the days Qur'aan was revealed. They also used to say things for which they had no evidence to support their contention.
I repeat, my request Please put forward your evidence in support of what you said above.
peace