Was Moses in Egypt?????

exodus

It has nothing to do with checking online status before replying. It has to do with you calling me childish for no reason other than not understanding your error. I had no idea what you meant until it was pointed out the correct word you meant.

I'm sorry but mentioning hundreds of people those named "badawi" was childish act for me anyway while mentioning desert arabs in Quran. It is not case of that I'm used words of "badawi" or "badoui". Meaning of "jarring in absence", "Don't talk me like that when I'm not here" is it not? Then, what have I do for claiming you to acting as a child?

I understand you are not fluent in English. The group of people that will meet an awful doom at that time in those verses were Pharaoh and the people of Pharaoh, those who worshipped him as god. Also there are many other groups of people and individuals that the same applies to according to Quran. The verse in question here was referring to this particular Pharaoh at the time of Moses and not all Pharaoh as a group of people.

I'm agree on that God is calling a particular person to most awful doom in 4046. This is the way of I'm trying to tell you to Fraun is name of a particular person.

The Fire; they are exposed to it morning and evening; and on the day when the Hour upriseth (it is said) Cause Pharaoh's folk to enter the most awful doom.

God orders here in Judgement Day. Then, If Pharaoh is a title, all pharaohs (Egyptian Kings) should be there. Then calling someone in Judgement Day as a title makes no sense. It is like "Cause king's folk to enter the most awful doom".

Peace.

Ayisha

I'm sorry but mentioning hundreds of people those named "badawi" was childish act for me anyway while mentioning desert arabs in Quran. It is not case of that I'm used words of "badawi" or "badoui". Meaning of "jarring in absence", "Don't talk me like that when I'm not here" is it not? Then, what have I do for claiming you to acting as a child?
i think we may have both got the wrong end of the stick because i have no idea what you are talking about.

I'm agree on that God is calling a particular person to most awful doom in 4046. This is the way of I'm trying to tell you to Fraun is name of a particular person.

The Fire; they are exposed to it morning and evening; and on the day when the Hour upriseth (it is said) Cause Pharaoh's folk to enter the most awful doom.

God orders here in Judgement Day. Then, If Pharaoh is a title, all pharaohs (Egyptian Kings) should be there. Then calling someone in Judgement Day as a title makes no sense. It is like "Cause king's folk to enter the most awful doom".

Peace.

It makes sense if you see it properley as the Pharaoh at the time and the people at that time which is why i asked you about the desert arabs in the first place! Are ALL desert arabs the worst in hypocrisy NOW, have all of them ever been and does that verse refer to ALL of them for ever more?

Pharaohs folk were the people at that time who worshipped Pharaoh!

tauhid101

Peace Ayisha and all,

Like it or not this is about Egypt, Egypt played a huge part in all Gods books. Pharaoh is the king of Egypt and not someone from Arabia.

I always have questions about why God send the earlier prophets to Egypt mostly, before Moses and the Torah.

Have you heard and read Wayne Herschell, Ayisha? About Egypt and the ancient knowledge. Just don?t forget about God and the Book of Truth when you read them.

http//www.thehiddenrecords.com/sphinx.htm

There is also a Dr. Paul Laviolette, astrophysicist, developer of Subquantum Kinetics, who make use of the dendera zodiac disc in Hator, Egypt and the Tarot cards in his study of the cosmos? I find his theory predictions and their verification very much related to some of the verses in the Book of Truth.

"He is the developer of subquantum kinetics, a novel approach to microphysics that accounts for electric, magnetic, gravitational, and nuclear forces in a unified manner and resolves many long-standing physics problems. Based on the predictions of this theory, he developed an alternative cosmology that effectively replaces the big bang theory."

http//www.topsecrettestimony.com/Witnesses/AllWitnesses/DrPaulLaViolette/tabid/259/Default.aspx

http//www.etheric.com/GalacticCenter/Galactic.html

Tell me what you think about these two people, if you find their works to have any relations to the Book of Truth.

Peace peace
tauhid101

Ayisha

Peace Ayisha and all,

I always have questions about why God send the earlier prophets to Egypt mostly, before Moses and the Torah.

Have you heard and read Wayne Herschell, Ayisha? About Egypt and the ancient knowledge. Just don?t forget about God and the Book of Truth when you read them.

http//www.thehiddenrecords.com/sphinx.htm

There is also a Dr. Paul Laviolette, astrophysicist, developer of Subquantum Kinetics, who make use of the dendera zodiac disc in Hator, Egypt and the Tarot cards in his study of the cosmos? I find his theory predictions and their verification very much related to some of the verses in the Book of Truth.

"He is the developer of subquantum kinetics, a novel approach to microphysics that accounts for electric, magnetic, gravitational, and nuclear forces in a unified manner and resolves many long-standing physics problems. Based on the predictions of this theory, he developed an alternative cosmology that effectively replaces the big bang theory."

http//www.topsecrettestimony.com/Witnesses/AllWitnesses/DrPaulLaViolette/tabid/259/Default.aspx

http//www.etheric.com/GalacticCenter/Galactic.html

Tell me what you think about these two people, if you find their works to have any relations to the Book of Truth.

Peace peace
tauhid101

Thanks, will have a look at those. peace

loxbox13

Salam, Peace,

first of all some background on the subject
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598577.0

My research

Majority has conclude that Moses story with Fir3awn was the story of Pharao in Masr (Egypt).
Because
1- Biblical background
2- Misr is known today and in early time as Egypt
3- Pharao looks similar to Fir3awn

Xerxes

I strongly doubt this strory and as seen in the link some think it is Sargon. other Pharao and I think it is Xerxes (King of Persia) because
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerxes_I_of_Persia

Quran 8910
And with Pharaoh, Lord of Stakes?

Quran 3812
Before them (were many who) rejected messengers, the People of Noah, and `Ad, and Pharaoh, the Lord of Stakes.

God knows what a pyramid is and what a stake is!!!!

please see persepolis stakes/pillars

http//www.hansrossel.com/fotos/fotografie/iran/ir_d5.htm

Also in Quran 6611 Fir3awn's wife submitted to God, in the Bible there is a legend about Xerses wife helping children of Israel, her name judaised name is Esther.

But never found any story regarding Pharaoh's wife beeing submitted to God!!!

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther

6611
And Allah sets forth, as an example to those who believe, the wife of Pharaoh Behold she said "O my Lord! Build for me, in nearness to Thee, a mansion in the Garden, and save me from Pharaoh and his doings, and save me from those that do wrong";

Haman

Adding to that, this conversation between Fir3awn and Haman, in 2838 see also Quran 4024, 2939,

2838
Pharaoh said "O Chiefs! no god do I know for you but myself therefore, O Haman! light me a (kiln to bake bricks) out of clay, and build me a lofty palace, that I may mount up to the god of Moses but as far as I am concerned, I think (Moses) is a liar!"

Haman in the Bible is a vizir of Xerxes
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haman_(Bible)
Jewish know well about him because it was one of the greatest persecutor they had "Haman and his wife Zeresh instigate a plot to kill all the Jews of ancient Persia"

the official sunni version
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haman_(Islam)

and finally, a scientic point of vieu about Moses and Exodus

no trace of big jewish community under Pharao
no slavery under Pharao, people who build pyramids were free people
no writen trace about Moses story, strangely egyptians were writing all accounting stuff
to resume no archeological finding about hebrous in Egypt, only the Bible refer of it!!!
please see the following article on wiki, sorry it is available only in french try some web translator
http//fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donn%C3%A9es_arch%C3%A9ologiques_sur_l%27Exode_et_Mo%C3%AFse

This was initiated because of verse in 171

argumenting that God's servant could be either Moses than Mohamed sws

Glory to (Allah) Who did take His Servant for Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the Farthest Mosque whose precincts We did bless in order that We might show him some of Our Signs for He is the one Who heareth and seeth (all things).

4423 about Moses

The reply came "March forth with My servants by night for ye are sure to be pursued

The same expression is used Isra.

The pending question is if verse 171 talks about Moses, what is then the Sacred Mosque and the Farthest Mosque?

Peace

All the kings in Egypt are the prophets, all of them, history has been modified to change the future , byzoroastrians and by satanists allies

Ra Msses is Moses
Isis , was femisnised , for Isa , Maryamon, is miriam , horonetop is Haroun etc... the history of the prophets was twisted to make them look like a sufi religious rebels who were only bothering the people who were living good, with rituels.
the last mesenger is the last King Horemheb , is Mohamed Twisted so no one will notice, u can see even the pictures of Mohamed in musuems with a twisted name, and the illuminati proud for making him one of their people while creating for us a personnage from the desert.
Here you can see the picture of Mohamed, and how he looked like , translate from frensh, and you see the similarities, even though history of archeologists is twisted and innacurate, but the similarities are stricking,
no parents, a sheperd when he was a kid, revolutionised the religion after people were lost in misery, made wars, lost one, had two wives, took over the power, became the general , and the ruler, and in his time Egypt get to the peak of civilisation, and the best is , he didn't have kids, and built a temple in medinet as a governement central etc... read it
Hebreu language gave biirth to arabic language, it is the language of Bani Israel, when arabic started, meaning hebreu Evolved, that's all, modern hebreu is a fabrication. if you read them in arabic, they sound the same, and write the same, except switching one single letter. r b became b r
Mecca is called in Egypt Malqata
Yathrib is called in Egypt Athribis , noerth of malkata 300km
Medina is called Medinet e first temple built by the first monotheist religion in Egypt, by Akhenaton , there is no P in egyptian, this name sound like Abraham The house that was built , called the temple of Aton, sounds like Adam, the quran say it's the first house in becca. the name was twisted to "karnak " the house built by Akhenaton didn't have a ceiling, the lat king of the synasty built the ceiling.

The temple of solomon is the pyramid with the missing cap, they hid it from everyone just to keep out the history of the messengers
the statues built for solomon are still standing, 46 meters high, plus the bassins mentioned in the quran.

the queen of Sheeba came from the south, Sudan, and that was an extension of Egypt. and that was the land of the hijra of the companions of mohamed, they didn't cross thousands of KMs of the red sea, they walked there.

The verse over it are 19 , is an image in the walls of Egypt with 19 angles over hell, and that image is also in the book of the dead, that is why allah said , this number is so people of the book will know this is from god.

Prince

All the kings in Egypt are the prophets, all of them, history has been modified to change the future , byzoroastrians and by satanists allies

Ra Msses is Moses
Isis , was femisnised , for Isa , Maryamon, is miriam , horonetop is Haroun etc... the history of the prophets was twisted to make them look like a sufi religious rebels who were only bothering the people who were living good, with rituels.
the last mesenger is the last King Horemheb , is Mohamed Twisted so no one will notice, u can see even the pictures of Mohamed in musuems with a twisted name, and the illuminati proud for making him one of their people while creating for us a personnage from the desert.
Here you can see the picture of Mohamed, and how he looked like , translate from frensh, and you see the similarities, even though history of archeologists is twisted and innacurate, but the similarities are stricking,
no parents, a sheperd when he was a kid, revolutionised the religion after people were lost in misery, made wars, lost one, had two wives, took over the power, became the general , and the ruler, and in his time Egypt get to the peak of civilisation, and the best is , he didn't have kids, and built a temple in medinet as a governement central etc... read it
Hebreu language gave biirth to arabic language, it is the language of Bani Israel, when arabic started, meaning hebreu Evolved, that's all, modern hebreu is a fabrication. if you read them in arabic, they sound the same, and write the same, except switching one single letter. r b became b r
Mecca is called in Egypt Malqata
Yathrib is called in Egypt Athribis , noerth of malkata 300km
Medina is called Medinet e first temple built by the first monotheist religion in Egypt, by Akhenaton , there is no P in egyptian, this name sound like Abraham The house that was built , called the temple of Aton, sounds like Adam, the quran say it's the first house in becca. the name was twisted to "karnak " the house built by Akhenaton didn't have a ceiling, the lat king of the synasty built the ceiling.

The temple of solomon is the pyramid with the missing cap, they hid it from everyone just to keep out the history of the messengers
the statues built for solomon are still standing, 46 meters high, plus the bassins mentioned in the quran.

the queen of Sheeba came from the south, Sudan, and that was an extension of Egypt. and that was the land of the hijra of the companions of mohamed, they didn't cross thousands of KMs of the red sea, they walked there.

The verse over it are 19 , is an image in the walls of Egypt with 19 angles over hell, and that image is also in the book of the dead, that is why allah said , this number is so people of the book will know this is from god.

That's interesting. Would be good if you could create a separate topic expanding on what you wrote together with relevant links.

PEACE

mmkhan

Salaam,

Is this of any help to anyone?

http//www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread667378/pg1

May Allah guide us all towards the correct path pr
Mohammed M. Khan

Riz

I posted this in a different thread, but it applies here as well.

As far as the story of Exodus goes, it is easily verifiable and there is much evidence that supports it. If you are interested, read "The Mystery of Israel in Ancient Egypt The Exodus in the Qur'an, the Old Testament, Archaeological Finds, and Historical Sources ". Here are some quick facts that you should consider.

-The "Israel Stele" of Merneptah mentions Israel, and it refers to them as a group of people, not a nation.

-Unlike the biblical version, the Quran implies that the group that left with Moses was a rather small group. The bible claims it was 2-3 million.

-Unlike the Bible, the Quran says that Moses fled with his people and was not allowed to leave.

-Unlike the Bible, the Quran implies that there was only one Pharaoh, not two.

-Unlike the Bible, the Quran states that God preserved the body of the Pharaoh. The fact that pharaohs were mummified was lost at the time of prophet Muhammad, so for the Quran to claim that God had somehow preserved the Pharaoh so he could be an example to people is certainly something to consider. Also, this statement is not found in the Bible, so if Muhammad was just copying it, this was a rather bizarre and accurate statement of him to make. The Quran mentions many nations and people being destroyed, but the Pharaoh is the only one who is said to have been preserved.

-Hamman is a clear reference to the high priest of Yamnu (also spelled Amon, Amoun, Amen, and rarely Imen or Yamun, Greek Ammon, and Hammon). Note that the Pharaoh consults Hamman for religious matters in the Quran. He also asks Hamman to make him buildings. The construction of religious temples was done under the directions of the priests of Amun in ancient Egypt. The Bible doesn't mention any such figure and the knowledge of the religious courts of ancient Egypt was lost at the time of Muhammad. In fact most knowledge of the customs and language of ancient Egypt was lost by 300 BCE.

-The Pharaoh asked Hamman to build him a building so he could climb up there and see this God of Moses. The idea of climbing a high place to speak with gods is in fact what the ancient Egyptians believed. I've seen this idea mentioned in several documentaries on the History Channel and other channels.

-In the Quran, the Pharaoh keeps saying that he thinks that Moses just wants to drive the people out of the land. Why does he keep saying this? It is probably because not too long ago the Hyksos who were a semetic people like Moses had driven the Egyptians out of lower Egypt where the Pharoah now lived. The Hyksos were defeated and kicked out of Egypt out only a few generations before Ramesses, so he feared that there would again by an invasion by semites.

-The Pharaoh is called Firaun al-awtad, which is often translated as the Pharaoh of might or the Pharah of the stakes, but when read in context, it is probably saying the Pharoah of high/many buildings. Who was the Pharaoh who was obsessed with building? Ramesses II. All the things noted above also point to him being THE pharoah, and yes we do have his body.

-The "Israel Stele" was completed under Ramesses successor Merneptah soon after the death of his father. In it he claims that the tribe of Israel is destroyed. Clearly this wasn't the case. The Pharaoh's would often claim victories when really they had lost. This is apparent in some of the victories Ramesses II claimed because we also have records from the opposing side (the Hittites).

-The Quran says that the Pharaoh declared himself to be THE God (7924). Although Pharoahs were considered divine, very few of them actually made this claim. As it happens, Ramesses II did declare himself to be God. The inscription of him declaring this is found at his temple at Abu Simbel. Again, the Pharaoh is the only one that the Quran says made such a claim and no one could have known this at the time of Muhammad.

As far as the location of the real Mount Sinai, I think it has been discovered. Everything is there. A giant stone altar with engravings of the Egyptian bovine god Apsis, the cave of Elijah, the bitter springs, and even till this day quails descend by it in large groups which is what the Israelites were supposed to have eaten. It is located in modern day Saudi Arabia.
http//www.arkdiscovery.com/mt__sinai_found.htm

I think the story of the exodus is actually one of the greatest signs that the Quran is indeed divine. There are so many things in there that Muhammad just could not have known.

Ahmad_Bilal

Peace.

This thread hasn't been visited for quite some time, but I just came upon it, and I wanted to expound on some of the points made concerning the Israelites being in ancient Egypt (Khemet)...