The ninety-nine names of Allah.
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Salam, peace
I was wondering if you guys believe in the ninety-nine names of Allah. I do, and I'm sure you guys do too since it's from the Quran, right?
I just wanted to share with you about a little miracle about it. I think most of you might have figured it out by now, but still.
Have you ever wondered about all those lines on your palms, about it's purpose?
Look at your both of your palms.
They look like the numbers 18 and 81 in Arabic, don't they?
Now add them 18 + 81 ( and ١
The result? 99!
Ninety-nine names of Allah. D
I think this is clearly a proof from God that Quran is, indeed, the Word of God. )
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You argument doesn't support your conclusion...Another example with similar fallacy
A The model of the solar system is similar to that an atom, with planets orbiting the sun like electrons orbiting the nucleus.
B Electrons can jump from orbit to orbit;
Conclusion This proves that planets can jump from orbit to orbit.http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
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Salam, brother peace
I see you don't believe in this, and that's fine. I just don't understand why you'd tell me to stay away from these things as I don't see any problem with it. Well, all I can say is; to each his/her own, to you is yours and to me is mine.
May God bless you.
Salaam.Salaam sister peace (nice smiley),
First of all sorry if I my tone was offending, didn't mean it in that way. And you are right, sometimes I give my advice without any demand -[
I said it because that's how I feel about it, it's just from my own experience.
And yup you are right to each his/her own handshake
May Allah bless you pr
Salaam,
Bender -
Salaam sister peace (nice smiley),
First of all sorry if I my tone was offending, didn't mean it in that way. And you are right, sometimes I give my advice without any demand -[
I said it because that's how I feel about it, it's just from my own experience.
And yup you are right to each his/her own handshake
May Allah bless you pr
Salaam,
BenderPeace, peace (indeed, indeed ;D)
It's all good. ;D
I guess I understand why you're telling me this, and I suppose I might be missing something here too. As you can see, I'm not very smart, so... shrugs I'm still working on the left side of my brain, lol. P
Sorry if I sounded angry or something, I really wasn't.
May God bless you,
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Salaam Alex,
You are welcome handshake
I think you might have not seen the link yet, it does not support 99 names of Allah. This is the same thing brother Bender is trying to say.
May Allah bless you pr
mmKhanPeace, peace
Wait, so it doesn't support the 99 names? I don't know if I'm understanding it wrong, but I think I've reached to the conclusion that they ARE in the Quran, but rather as attributes of God, like a description, like 'God is Most Merciful, The Most Compassionate'.
I'm not good at expressing my thoughts, so I apologize if you don't get what I'm saying, adding in the fact that I'm pretty much sleep-deprived right now.
May God bless you,
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This is fascinating. I thought I was the only one with a problem understanding this.
Why are they called "names"? "The merciful" is a descriptor, an attribute or an adjective, not a name. Do you call a fat man Mr. Fat or by his real name?
Has anyone really counted the "names"?
I have found that most people agree on the first 30 or 40 and then everybody differs and can't agree on a comprehensive list of 99 anyway. -
Peace, peace
Wait, so it doesn't support the 99 names? I don't know if I'm understanding it wrong, but I think I've reached to the conclusion that they ARE in the Quran, but rather as attributes of God, like a description, like 'God is Most Merciful, The Most Compassionate'.
I'm not good at expressing my thoughts, so I apologize if you don't get what I'm saying, adding in the fact that I'm pretty much sleep-deprived right now.
May God bless you,
Salaam.Peace Alex,
Yes, there is no mention of 99 names in alQuraan. Only three attributes of Allah is mentioned in alQuraan - 5924.
May Allah bless you pr
mmKhan -
This is fascinating. I thought I was the only one with a problem understanding this.
Why are they called "names"? "The merciful" is a descriptor, an attribute or an adjective, not a name. Do you call a fat man Mr. Fat or by his real name?
Has anyone really counted the "names"?
I have found that most people agree on the first 30 or 40 and then everybody differs and can't agree on a comprehensive list of 99 anyway.Yes you are correct!
For the number of attributes mentioned in alQuraan, you can look at above post.
May God bless you pr
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As far as I have been able to ascertain in that 99 names list there are some that are not mentioned in the Qur'an, which does not mean that they are not God's names. I do not recall that God puts any limit to its names in the Qur'an. In fat, my understandign is that God has infinite names and that the "knowledge" we may acquire of God has a lot to do with His names, which as I say we could not put a figure to them.
I consider myself that the names of God are very important and that in fact it is pointing us to the understanding of "polytheism". We know, well at least I convinced of that religions that have been polytheist were not so, but to the "Western" explorer or scholar or whatever, since all their knowledge of religions was limited to grecoroman paganism, whenever they found a religion with different names of gods or godesses they automatically branded them not as names or levels of manifestation og Divinity, which was one, but as different gods. They even did that with Muhammad, since they equated him to Christ, which was God to them. And we have kept this inertia and never bothered , whenever confronted with some "new" religion to verify its tenets.
Of course there has been polytheism, but that is not something pertaining to religions per se, but something eprtaining to humans, who may turn anything to polytheism, because that is a human tendency, to "lower" their expectations of god to something more within their capacity to approach or grasp and to manipulate, to, e it with offerings, or cajoling or whatever.
So the names of God are level of manifestation of God to humans. As to whether they are attributes or names, that is playing with words. asma' in arabic is names, but names also may denote attributes. I stick to names, the Qur'an does say "ism" and not Sifa, which more properly would indicate attribute or description.
The impediment to consider those not names, but attributes is our own limitation to see them that way, because we always consider the attribute as separate from the person Such and such is beautiful, but she or he would still be he or she even if they were not beautiful. But can God be separate from any quality. No qualities exist because they are God. They are not anything separate from his essence. God is beauty, Mercy. The Qur'an calls him Arrahman, that is him, it is not an attribute, it is Him, not anything that would exist separate from Him, and we know beauty, because He is Beauty, we know mercy because He is Mercy... His names are countless and we can know them because He exists and everything that exists has His stamp.
Salaam
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salaam mmkhan,
I had already looked at that thread, but I do not see anything that really means something conclusive to me regarding this question.
The semantic reach of words in a language does not superimpose exactly on the samentic reach in another language, that is why when we translate sometimes we are obliged to translate the same word sometimes as something sometimes as something else. And we are forced to make other modifications to struture of phrase or employ other translating resources in order to give a better translation of what is in the original. So the ism word may pose some problems for some people, but that si what explanations are fore. Its semantic reah may not be the same in every language so we may split hairs till kingdom come sayign attribute and saying something else.
Still I do not grasp what you objections to my rendering are. For me saying "names" is satisfactory. What may be included in those names would be a question of examining one by one, but I think we do not need to. The Qur'an has the wonderful quality of adjusting to each person capacity of perception, imagination, enlightement or whatever. So as far as I am concerned, this is like a feast, each guest helps him or herself to whatever finds most to his or her liking or health or curiosity.
I would even say that each name is a personal invitation of each of us. We know we are a tiny particule in the the worlds and that we cannot encompass nor grasp but very little, what God allows, of existence and intelligence, so that fact that we do not find meaning to something or that it does not touch us, does not mean that it may be full of significance for somebody else or touch him or her deeply.
That is the wonder of the names of God. It is legitimate that we encourage ourselves to worship and get near God by His names, those that speak to us most innerly and more sharp. He does encourage us to that. They are His.
Salaam
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I would even say that each name is a personal invitation of each of us. We know we are a tiny particule in the the worlds and that we cannot encompass nor grasp but very little, what God allows, of existence and intelligence, so that fact that we do not find meaning to something or that it does not touch us, does not mean that it may be full of significance for somebody else or touch him or her deeply.
That is the wonder of the names of God. It is legitimate that we encourage ourselves to worship and get near God by His names, those that speak to us most innerly and more sharp. He does encourage us to that. They are His.
Salaam
I think it's fine to say names or attributes. They are ways to understand - in our own human way - our relationship to God and His relationship with us. For example, attributes include The Guide, The Righteous Teacher, The Most Loving. These can be profound for individuals as you say.
In terms of the point about 5924 mentioned by another user, I'm not sure I follow. the previous verse includes a few more attributes. Throughout the Quran, Allah mentions attributes such as al-Hakim. In prayers of believers or when Messengers communicate with Allah, the mention His attributes sometimes.
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I think it's fine to say names or attributes. They are ways to understand - in our own human way - our relationship to God and His relationship with us. For example, attributes include The Guide, The Righteous Teacher, The Most Loving. These can be profound for individuals as you say.
In terms of the point about 5924 mentioned by another user, I'm not sure I follow. the previous verse includes a few more attributes. Throughout the Quran, Allah mentions attributes such as al-Hakim. In prayers of believers or when Messengers communicate with Allah, the mention His attributes sometimes.
If they help you understand the relationship, what does the "name" The Schemer tell you? IE 354 And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them) and Allah is the best of schemers.
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If they help you understand the relationship, what does the "name" The Schemer tell you? IE 354 And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them) and Allah is the best of schemers.
That's translated in different ways, referring to plans or a scheme in terms of a set design or a way to do something. It's saying that Allah is the best of planners and designers - those who cause corruption through their plans, Allah will secure a better plan. I would have thought you would know that I would give that type of response, StopSpamming1.
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That's translated in different ways, referring to plans or a scheme in terms of a set design or a way to do something. It's saying that Allah is the best of planners and designers - those who cause corruption through their plans, Allah will secure a better plan. I would have thought you would know that response I would give, StopSpamming1.
How would I know what you will say? Am I a god )
OK, so then what does it tell you? A god boasts about the capability to outsmart humans? And then I ask what other planners and designers? How many are there?
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How would I know what you will say? Am I a god
OK, so then what does it tell you? A god boasts about the capability to outsmart humans? And then I ask what other planners and designers? How many are there?
No, but you can deduce. I'm saying that because it seems natural to me - maybe not to everyone. No offense intended.
It tells me that we can trust in Allah's designs and plans - it's like saying He is all-knowing. It's not boasting, it's stating the reality as described within the Quran. I don't get your second question. The verse is in reference to Isa - when he is about to be murdered.
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Good that somebody has come up with another name of God which is not widely acknowledged.
To me te meaning is plain in the context we must not fear what people may plot or plan. God always outplans and outplots anything or anybody, so, again, we are in His hands and never, never in other hands than His hands.
Salaam
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No, but you can deduce. I'm saying that because it seems natural to me - maybe not to everyone. No offense intended.
It tells me that we can trust in Allah's designs and plans - it's like saying He is all-knowing. It's not boasting, it's stating the reality as described within the Quran. I don't get your second question. The verse is in reference to Isa - when he is about to be murdered.
Well, let's just say that when it comes to clarifying something I want to be precise and understand exactly what we are talking about.
I am one of those who don't accept any all-something. All-knowing would mean that a god would know what he will do tomorrow. And because he knows he will perform action x, it can't be action z. Because then he would know it's not x, but z. That would mean this god could not decide what to do on a whim and could never change his mind. There would no judgement as all outcomes would already be known.
It says "Allah schemed (against them) and Allah is the best of schemers." So my question is If a god schemes against people and then says I am the best! I am the best of all schemers! that means there are other schemers which are being compared. Would a god compare himself to a human? Hardly. So there must be other godly schemers around. Just like it says in 2314 "the best of the creators", where humans would hardly be called creators. It is one of the many puzzles in the Koran.
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Well, let's just say that when it comes to clarifying something I want to be precise and understand exactly what we are talking about.
I am one of those who don't accept any all-something. All-knowing would mean that a god would know what he will do tomorrow. And because he knows he will perform action x, it can't be action z. Because then he would know it's not x, but z. That would mean this god could not decide what to do on a whim and could never change his mind. There would no judgement as all outcomes would already be known.
It says "Allah schemed (against them) and Allah is the best of schemers." So my question is If a god schemes against people and then says I am the best! I am the best of all schemers! that means there are other schemers which are being compared. Would a god compare himself to a human? Hardly. So there must be other godly schemers around. Just like it says in 2314 "the best of the creators", where humans would hardly be called creators. It is one of the many puzzles in the Koran.
When you say that you don't accept that idea or possible idea of all-knowing and so forth in relation to God, it seems to me like you have your mind made up. You have thought about it and come to your own conclusion. My question is why do you want to know my points on these issues? Do you want to know so you can better respond to religious arguments? The reason I ask is because, lets face it, some people are only online or offline for that matter to argue with each other.
The Deity is not comparing Himself to a human. There are only so many ways we can understand His attributes. He is saying that He has certain attributes that we can understand as divine or absolute. The way to describe these to us as human beings is to say you can see all of these things around you, like the power of some humans beings or natural forces, the magnificence of the Earth and Universe, but these are still things with limitations whereas The Deity's attributes go far beyond that and that He created these things.
I feel I already answered this and so did Huruf because the context there is important as it is clearly stating that human beings may plot evil or disturbing things, but don't fear them. The Deity is your Protector. The Deity also says He is the most Just of Judges. How would The Deity tell us that He is to Judge us and this attribute is divine? By saying, The Deity's attributes are Divine. Otherwise it would be there is no attribute of The Deity's that you can fathom. Human beings can judge, human beings can create, we can love people, we can gain power and authority. We are endowed these abilities, from the Quran's perspective, by The Deity. We can create things for positive ends or negative ends as well etc.
I think when you say that human beings are hardly creators - I don't think you will agree with my answer. I also think most people would disagree and say we do create/innovate. One of our unique characteristics as humans is creating things that has not been before on this Earth.
I really feel like I am repeating myself. And you seem very certain of your own position StopS. This only shines through in your videos as well. So do you want my opinion simply as an opinion? Just to see the response?
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When you say that you don't accept that idea or possible idea of all-knowing and so forth in relation to God, it seems to me like you have your mind made up. You have thought about it and come to your own conclusion. My question is why do you want to know my points on these issues? Do you want to know so you can better respond to religious arguments? The reason I ask is because, lets face it, some people are only online or offline for that matter to argue with each other.
No, there is no hidden agenda here. I am just curious to know why people believe what they believe. Yes, indeed, I have thought about it and and some point I think you should commit to something and not sway like a flag in the wind all the time. But I am still curious about a) what others think and b) whether I am right.
The Deity is not comparing Himself to a human. There are only so many ways we can understand His attributes. He is saying that He has certain attributes that we can understand as divine or absolute. The way to describe these to us as human beings is to say you can see all of these things around you, like the power of some humans beings or natural forces, the magnificence of the Earth and Universe, but these are still things with limitations whereas The Deity's attributes go far beyond that and that He created these things.
I feel I already answered this and so did Huruf because the context there is important as it is clearly stating that human beings may plot evil or disturbing things, but don't fear them. The Deity is your Protector. The Deity also says He is the most Just of Judges. How would The Deity tell us that He is to Judge us and this attribute is divine? By saying, The Deity's attributes are Divine. Otherwise it would be there is no attribute of The Deity's that you can fathom. Human beings can judge, human beings can create, we can love people, we can gain power and authority. We are endowed these abilities, from the Quran's perspective, by The Deity. We can create things for positive ends or negative ends as well etc.
I think when you say that human beings are hardly creators - I don't think you will agree with my answer. I also think most people would disagree and say we do create/innovate. One of our unique characteristics as humans is creating things that has not been before on this Earth.
I really feel like I am repeating myself. And you seem very certain of your own position StopS. This only shines through in your videos as well. So do you want my opinion simply as an opinion? Just to see the response?
What do you mean by "magnificence of the Earth and Universe"? Some things can look beautiful - but these are harsh and volatile environments and completely lethal for humans. I also don't understand what you mean by "The Deity's attributes" and then "far beyond that and that He created these things". But maybe it's not that important.
I am trying to understand. I am trying to understand you. In my videos I talk about errors and mistakes people make. People who are unable to communicate or are unwilling to do so. Here I am not looking at things superficially, but can go to greater depths and do this on a personal, interactive mode.
Now, I thought I was very clear and have provided several examples and I am at a loss to explain this somehow.
- Allah is the best of schemers
- the best of the creators
If someone is the best at something there must be others which are compared to this, otherwise it makes no sense. If nobody on this planet lies, it does not make sense to say I am the best of the liars, because I am the only one. So my question is who are the others in the 2 sentences I gave you as examples?