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    TheNabi
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    Salaam,

    btw what fdo u mean SUnnism should have extra rules ? what rules can they have besides the Quran ?

    I meant they should have extra rules because there are excess laws derived from sources besides the divine writ. From alquran we have a particular brand of law laid out for us. Other ahadeeth give other laws.

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      Wakas
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      next time someone states a rule... just ask where does it say that?

      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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        TheNabi
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        Salaam,

        u muslim ?

        I try to be, sometimes.

        Joe

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          ammarb87
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          haha yeah me too .. well i think i m a good muslimn ... but sometimes u know i just lose fath when i ask for something soo desperately and the opposite happens .. hahaha i dont know if i can say this but i -ve noticed that the kuffar have their wishes granted more .. i eman life is easier for them in soo many ways ...
          u know humans following religion properly n all ... i think God knew we were gonna be like this and he made our nature like this to obey and disobey various rules .... i think He'kll forgive us cus He knows we're guilable n alll ..... i hope i havent said anything wrong !

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            TheNabi
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            Salaam,

            Those who do wrong and good both can have it bad or have it good. It depends on the circumstances and what we make of them I suppose. We are told to be wary of the possibility of being afflicted as evil ones might become afflicted. For some people, the hardships that seem 'bad' may be a blessing for their growth and reaching out to Allah.

            Joe

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              ammarb87
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              yea no offense or anythign but it doesnt make sense cus wouldnt it make more sense if He helped muslims and showed them to be the dominating in the world so other faiths can attracted to our faith and muslims will grow in this way .. I am not saying that Allah is senseless .. Astagfirullah (sry for spelling)..... i would never say that ...
              like for eg, my mum has had a foot problem for 8 years now like im ean a serious foot problem... taking 4-5 tablets a dyay .. now what would Allah get from doing this .... my life isnt very happy too these days ....i m beginning to lose faith slowly and slowly ....
              hehhe .. neways .. oi hope Allah shows me a sign and strengthens my faith ...

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                TheNabi
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                Salaam,

                Immature understanding and knowledge can lead to this. Reflect if you will.

                3186 Ye shall certainly be tried and tested in your possessions and in your personal selves; and ye shall certainly Hear much that will grieve you, from those who received the Book before you and from those who worship many gods. But if ye persevere patiently, and guard against evil,-then that will be a determining factor in all affairs.

                292 Do men think that they will be left alone on saying, "We believe", and that they will not be tested?

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                  ammarb87
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                  that verse is very good ... well i -ve been patient for a loong time now ... i dont know .... i still pray obviously .. read the quran but yeah ..

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                    Brothers, what is your view on musics and cinemas based on quran alone? Please reference the ayats while discussing on this subject.

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                      Well as far as i know theres nothing in the Quran about these things so I-m assuming that these are not forbidden ...... ummm.... we shoud just reember that we should not froget our duties towards allah while taking part in these thigns ... they should also not harm us ( i mean i think thats persononal cus each person is different so yeah)

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                        What does music cause in us? Well being? Or a false sense of well being that does not last? Does music make us forget our stress and strain that we earned from our own error, just for a while and make us immerse in a mood intoxicated? If so, is it right to invovle in temporary jolly mood instead of facing the reality and setting things right by mending our ways in the path righteous and seeking forgivensss from Him?

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                        We created not the heavens, the earth, and all between them, merely in sport.
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                        We created them not but with the truth, but most of them do not know.

                        Is music and cinema rihgteous path or erreneous?

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                          drfazl
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                          M_Mehdi,

                          I think you have just picked up the last sentence of my post to hastily say your view for an answer. Please answer this

                          What does music cause in us? Well being? Or a false sense of well being that does not last? Does music make us forget our stress and strain that we earned from our own error, just for a while and make us immerse in a mood intoxicated? If so, is it right to invovle in temporary jolly mood instead of facing the reality and setting things right by mending our ways in the path righteous and seeking forgivensss from Him?

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                            Tay
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                            Peace drfazl,

                            You asked,

                            Brothers, what is your view on musics and cinemas based on quran alone?

                            Music is beautiful, and a blessing. And all beauty and blessings are from God alone. We did not invent music, we discovered it.

                            1653 Any blessing you enjoy is from GOD...

                            Is music and cinema righteous path or erreneous?

                            Sticking to music, I'd say it's perfectly righteous. Just ask the birds that sing every morning by God's grace.

                            May peace be upon you,
                            Tay

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                              ammarb87
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                              yeah it depends on the individual .. meaning that how he / she is affected by it ...

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                                TAJ
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                                Salaam drfazl,

                                What does music cause in us? Well being? Or a false sense of well being that does not last? Does music make us forget our stress and strain that we earned from our own error, just for a while and make us immerse in a mood intoxicated? If so, is it right to invovle in temporary jolly mood instead of facing the reality and setting things right by mending our ways in the path righteous and seeking forgivensss from Him?

                                Well put!

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                                We created not the heavens, the earth, and all between them, merely in sport.
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                                Do you not see the rhythm in the creation of the Skies and Earth? In our human terms it is something like an orchestra.
                                Making music, rhythmical sounds, is like trying to tune in and pick up that universal rhythm and feel our presence within it. Visions that are bigger than words would come from a far place and fill our being?

                                -Is music and cinema rihgteous path or erreneous?-

                                Music is an efficiently penetrative tool. Some would take advantage of it and try to influence/manipulate others with it!

                                Taj

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                                  Tay
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                                  Peace Taj,

                                  You stated,

                                  Making music, rhythmical sounds, is like trying to tune in and pick up that universal rhythm and feel our presence within it. Visions that are bigger than words would come from a far place and fill our being?

                                  Beautifully said. But it seems you've attached a negative connotation to this sentiment. I see it as quite the opposite.

                                  Some would take advantage of it and try to influence/manipulate others with it!

                                  This is probably the single most paranoid thought I've read in a while. Music is art, and art is expression. There is nothing manipulative about it.

                                  May peace be upon you,
                                  Tay

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                                    TAJ
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                                    Salaam Tay,

                                    You stated,

                                    Making music, rhythmical sounds, is like trying to tune in and pick up that universal rhythm and feel our presence within it. Visions that are bigger than words would come from a far place and fill our being?

                                    Beautifully said. But it seems you've attached a negative connotation to this sentiment. I see it as quite the opposite.

                                    Thanks for the compliment )
                                    And no negative connotaion at all. Where did you sense that!?

                                    Some would take advantage of it and try to influence/manipulate others with it!

                                    This is probably the single most paranoid thought I've read in a while.

                                    Oh really!? D

                                    Music is art, and art is expression. There is nothing manipulative about it.

                                    I meant the indecent video clips, if I may say roll

                                    Taj

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                                      Tay
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                                      Peace Taj,

                                      And no negative connotaion at all. Where did you sense that!?

                                      You agreed with drfazl's negative connotations, and this set the tone for your post. My apologies if I misunderstood.

                                      I meant the indecent video clips, if I may say

                                      Of course you may say )
                                      No harm no foul.

                                      May peace be upon you,
                                      Tay

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                                        drfazl
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                                        Do you not see the rhythm in the creation of the Skies and Earth? In our human terms it is something like an orchestra.

                                        Do you attribute the rhythm of heavens and earth and everything inbetween to the Praising of the Purity of Allah?

                                        Making music, rhythmical sounds, is like trying to tune in and pick up that universal rhythm and feel our presence within it. Visions that are bigger than words would come from a far place and fill our being

                                        You say People making music from their own hands; trying to instill enticement called 'rhythm'; to attract mental attention of the succumbing people from the reality and make them submerged into falsehood. Despite so much anti-natural attitude, can one involved in such activities still expect to pick up the universal rhythm, their Praising of Allah?

                                        Further, are the visions from within us? Or they fill us up coming into us as if aliens from far off places? Whereas all that are created are made to submit to man's soul. Soul is in the heart. As far as man is concerned there is nothing far off, but within HIS command by the Leave of Allah, if our rhythm is in praise of Allah with all the creations joining us in HIS PRAISE.

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                                          drfazl
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                                          You agreed with drfazl's negative connotations, and this set the tone for your post. My apologies if I misunderstood.

                                          Please define " the Negative " and " the Connotation"

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