72 virgins
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sun
Never loose your sense of Humor.. its extremelly necessary, of course without injuring no-one, mockery is Bad but smiling without bad intentions of life facts its part of this life
MUSLIMS---->> ;D ) angel group pr ! yes
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Wahabis & Co.-->> > > elektro voodoo tempt hypnoSalaam O0
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"....In Arabic, "Hoor-e-Ein" means having a pure and clean intellect, and this word is used both for men and women. Therefore, the heavenly couples would be exemplary specimens of the ideal mixture of thought and deed. Imagine my dear daughter, how satisfying and blissful that society would be when its men and women would have such qualities (1329). Also remember that, in Arabic, Zauj (Plural Azwaj) just does not mean a wife, it means a companion. According to these meanings, a wife is a companion to her husband and a husband is a companion to his wife. So wherever the Quran mentions "Azwaj-e-Mutaharat" it always refers not just to righteous wives, but to righteous companions....."
http//www.tolueislam.org/Parwez/tkn/TK_02.htm
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I had to re-read this post... love you guys... really. I needed the laugh. I had a Quran class on Sunday 2/23 and OMG. I had to shut off the computer and leave the room. Of course old fears and anxiety came back... but I am good now. This "Sheikh" Yahya Rhodas, he was describing the breasts of these women and their ripeness for the men. I took this class to help with arabic... what I got was an unwanted shove back into my past. voodoo
Thanks to you guys, this forum and the knowledge I have gained over the past 2 years, it saved me from days of anxiety, depression and hugging the toilet... hahahaha... instead it was only about 12 hours, huge step for me )
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I had to re-read this post... love you guys... really. I needed the laugh. I had a Quran class on Sunday 2/23 and OMG. I had to shut off the computer and leave the room. Of course old fears and anxiety came back... but I am good now. This "Sheikh" Yahya Rhodas, he was describing the breasts of these women and their ripeness for the men. I took this class to help with arabic... what I got was an unwanted shove back into my past. voodoo
Thanks to you guys, this forum and the knowledge I have gained over the past 2 years, it saved me from days of anxiety, depression and hugging the toilet... hahahaha... instead it was only about 12 hours, huge step for me
Where did they get a person to "teach" such idiocy? He could not be being serious. It is mind-boggling. I suppose it was virtual and you might not be able to break into unchained laughter as such delirium...
The word sheikh must be about the cheapest one around. That kind of thing cannot be serious, it must be part of a plot to dishevel the muslim male mind. What kind of human failure can be able to push such idiocy and feed a tattered ego like that? If a person needs 72 virgins in the other world, what lack of self esteem may make him vulnerable to such lunacy.
I just cannot fathom that anybody can take such boudnless idiotic fantasy as true. Cannot believe it, unless there is already a guilty determination to let oneself be cheated into anything.
Salaam
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http//seekersguidance.org/
That is the place it is an online "school". I ignore the hadith and this class was called Exploring the Qur?an. I have heard this guy speak before and not too bad, you know you have to take 50% and toss the rest, but still. That whole 3rd lesson was insane!!!
What is worse is how they believe it and hope for it. In fact he said, Allah tells us this so that we may have hope and initiative for Jannah.... well that might work for "some" men. But then again half of hell will be women so maybe that explains it...lol I am just so shocked I have yet to find an Imam speak out against it... or anyone in that type of position.
Huruf, you are so right on your comments. Thank you!
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That reminds me of a joke I heard when I was much younger. It is somebody who dies and then appears to his friend. An the friend asks him what kind of life he leads now. And the dead says, oh well, I wake up you know, and I make love, then eat something, stroll a bit around and make love, then I stroll a little more, eat something else and make love. The friend says oh, well... so then, paradise is really nice. And the dead says What are you talking about paradise? I am a rabbit at the farm of uncle Tony!!
There you are. Many people fancy plain rabbit reincarnation. Since rabbits reproduce quickly I suppose they the 72 virgin rabbits every so often is manageable.
Salaam
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The most important 'hoor' is actually mentioned in the Bible
Rev 219 Then one of the seven angels ... talked with me, saying, "Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb's wife."
Rev 2110 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 2111 having the glory of God. Her light like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as crystal.
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Rev 2116 The city is laid out as a square; its length is as great as its breadth. And he measured the city with the reed twelve thousand furlongs. Its length, breadth, and height are equal.This bride or 'hoor' is actually a figure for the city Jerusalem which is a perfect cube. The perfect cube represents the Holy of Holies in the Temple (it also was a perfect cube) in which the glory of God (=Light of Allah) shone.
This symbolism is very common in a Jewish Christian work written about 100AD we read, "The woman whom you saw is Zion, which you now behold as a city being built" (2 Esdras 1044)
It is in this context that the 'hoori' of the Quran and hadith need to be interpreted.
Richard
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Salaam sister sun
I read somewhere i dont remember the fountain well but i can research again if you want, that Huris are not female but male genre, so that old idea of virgin females for man i think its just hadith adaption, Huris i think mean purest not virgin.. but im no arabyk fluent so someone here will explain you better than i
So the sentences describing the houri are all mistranslated?
Like
In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched 5556
Whom no man or Jinn before them has touched 5572-74
Then We have made them virgins 5636 -
Just found a rather interesting reference to Jesus sleeping with 5 virgins
And ye shall be like the wise virgins which watched and slept not, but went forth unto the lord into the bridechamber ...
He said unto us The five wise are Faith and Love and Grace and Peace and Hope. Now they of the faithful which possess this (these) shall be guides unto them that have believed on me and on him that sent me. For I am the Lord and I am the bridegroom whom they have received, and they have entered in to the house of the bridegroom and are laid down with me in the bridal chamber rejoicing.para 43, EPISTLE OF THE APOSTLES
http//www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/apostolorum.htmlHowever with names like "Faith and Love and Grace and Peace and Hope" it is clearly not literal. Just to further clarify the non-literal interpretation of the hoori.
Richard
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Richard,
I do recall in an angelology class the distinct mention of 72 virtues.. which were ancient angel names/attributes of God. The Kabbalists also cling to this 72 with a way of contact and such. Interested on getting your perspective on this. Odd that this number 72 is found in older texts but as virtues not virgins.
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in 55.56
55.72-74It is not speaking about no males having touched anybody, it speaks about human beings, it is not man as opposed to woman, but human being. It is addressing the inhabitants of paradise, female and male alike also in 56-36.
Abkar does not need to be virgin, the meaning of the root and of the word itself is wider than that. Virgin is just a choice of meaning, not the obligated option.
The understanding of these ayas and the subsequent translations are very much culturally shaped.
Salaam
