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An article on: Intercession and Transfer of deeds

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    Man_of_Faith
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    Salaam,

    Thank God for that, He is the Doer of everything )

    God bless you

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      unknownuser
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      Salaam Everyone

      There is a traditional view which exists among present day Muslims regarding the concept of intercession which is based on hadith literature. This view is not supported by the Quran. The Quran repeatedly holds each individual responsible for his or her own conduct.

      The true concept of God who is running the affairs of the universe is only contained in the Quran, as it is given by god Himself to mankind. One of the attributes frequently mentioned by god about himself is 'Aziz-ul-Hakeem' which is translated as the Exalted in Power, the Wise. The very concept of intercession means to give someone advantage which one does not deserve and is against the concept of justice. God the Wise can never be expected to do that. This concept if accepted, brings down the whole building block of 'din' as presented in the Quran by god. We all know that a person who accepts intercession in worldly life can never expected to deliver justice.

      And they say, "Never will the Fire touch us, except for a few days." Say, "Have you taken a covenant with Allah ? For Allah will never break His covenant. Or do you say about Allah that which you do not know?" 280

      And the record will be placed , and you will see the criminals fearful of that within it, and they will say, "Oh, woe to us! What is this book that leaves nothing small or great except that it has enumerated it?" And they will find what they did present . And your Lord does injustice to no one. 1849

      Then will We treat the Muslims like the criminals? What is with you? How do you judge? Or do you have a scripture in which you learn. That indeed for you is whatever you choose? Or do you have oaths upon Us, extending until the Day of Resurrection, that indeed for you is whatever you judge? 683539

      Allah presents an example of those who disbelieved the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two of Our righteous servants but betrayed them, so those prophets did not avail them from Allah at all, and it was said, "Enter the Fire with those who enter." 6681

      And Noah called upon his Lord, and said "O my Lord! surely my son is of my family! and Thy promise is true, and Thou art the justest of Judges!" He said "O Noah! He is not of thy family For his conduct is unrighteous. So ask not of Me that of which thou hast no knowledge! I give thee counsel, lest thou act like the ignorant!" Noah said "O my Lord! I do seek refuge with Thee, lest I ask Thee for that of which I have no knowledge. And unless thou forgive me and have Mercy on me, I should indeed be lost!" S. 1145-47

      That Day, no intercession will benefit except one to whom the Most Merciful has given permission and has accepted his word. 20109

      Ibraheem (pbuh) is the only prophet permitted to ask for forgiveness for his Mushrik father in the Book.

      There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, "Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone" except for the saying of Abraham to his father, "I will surely ask forgiveness for you, but I have not for you anything against Allah . Our Lord, upon You we have relied, and to You we have returned, and to You is the destination. 604

      Our Lord, forgive me and my parents and the believers the Day the account is established." 1441

      Peace

      Salaam,

      Thanks for the verses, and sharing your thoughts. I agree with you; if intercession exists the way the traditional Muslims think, then that would definitely be unjust. One thing however, is that, I feel the translation you provided of 20109 is slightly off. This is what I have provided in my article

      Ch. 20 Verse 109 On that day, Shafa?at (Intercession) will not benefit anyone other than him whom has granted permission the Merciful, and accepts for him a word.

      See the bold part? It is not 'Accepted his word', but more like 'Accepted for him a word'. This changes the meaning to quite some extent. This is based upon my knowledge of the prefixed preposition 'lm' at the beginning of the pronoun 'him'.

      Salaam Everyone

      There is a traditional view which exists among present day Muslims regarding the concept of intercession which is based on hadith literature. This view is not supported by the Quran. The Quran repeatedly holds each individual responsible for his or her own conduct.

      The true concept of God who is running the affairs of the universe is only contained in the Quran, as it is given by god Himself to mankind. One of the attributes frequently mentioned by god about himself is 'Aziz-ul-Hakeem' which is translated as the Exalted in Power, the Wise. The very concept of intercession means to give someone advantage which one does not deserve and is against the concept of justice. God the Wise can never be expected to do that. This concept if accepted, brings down the whole building block of 'din' as presented in the Quran by god. We all know that a person who accepts intercession in worldly life can never expected to deliver justice.

      And they say, "Never will the Fire touch us, except for a few days." Say, "Have you taken a covenant with Allah ? For Allah will never break His covenant. Or do you say about Allah that which you do not know?" 280

      And the record will be placed , and you will see the criminals fearful of that within it, and they will say, "Oh, woe to us! What is this book that leaves nothing small or great except that it has enumerated it?" And they will find what they did present . And your Lord does injustice to no one. 1849

      Then will We treat the Muslims like the criminals? What is with you? How do you judge? Or do you have a scripture in which you learn. That indeed for you is whatever you choose? Or do you have oaths upon Us, extending until the Day of Resurrection, that indeed for you is whatever you judge? 683539

      Allah presents an example of those who disbelieved the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two of Our righteous servants but betrayed them, so those prophets did not avail them from Allah at all, and it was said, "Enter the Fire with those who enter." 6681

      And Noah called upon his Lord, and said "O my Lord! surely my son is of my family! and Thy promise is true, and Thou art the justest of Judges!" He said "O Noah! He is not of thy family For his conduct is unrighteous. So ask not of Me that of which thou hast no knowledge! I give thee counsel, lest thou act like the ignorant!" Noah said "O my Lord! I do seek refuge with Thee, lest I ask Thee for that of which I have no knowledge. And unless thou forgive me and have Mercy on me, I should indeed be lost!" S. 1145-47

      That Day, no intercession will benefit except one to whom the Most Merciful has given permission and has accepted his word. 20109

      Ibraheem (pbuh) is the only prophet permitted to ask for forgiveness for his Mushrik father in the Book.

      There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, "Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone" except for the saying of Abraham to his father, "I will surely ask forgiveness for you, but I have not for you anything against Allah . Our Lord, upon You we have relied, and to You we have returned, and to You is the destination. 604

      Our Lord, forgive me and my parents and the believers the Day the account is established." 1441

      Peace

      Salaam,

      Thanks for the verses, and sharing your thoughts. I agree with you; if intercession exists the way the traditional Muslims think, then that would definitely be unjust. One thing however, is that, I feel the translation you provided of 20109 is slightly off. This is what I have provided in my article

      Ch. 20 Verse 109 On that day, Shafa?at (Intercession) will not benefit anyone other than him whom has granted permission the Merciful, and accepts for him a word.

      See the bold part? It is not 'Accepted his word', but more like 'Accepted for him a word'. This changes the meaning to quite some extent. This is based upon my knowledge of the prefixed preposition 'lm' at the beginning of the pronoun 'him'.

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        Awaal_Muslim
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        Salaam,

        Thanks for the verses, and sharing your thoughts. I agree with you; if intercession exists the way the traditional Muslims think, then that would definitely be unjust. One thing however, is that, I feel the translation you provided of 20109 is slightly off. This is what I have provided in my article

        Ch. 20 Verse 109 On that day, Shafa?at (Intercession) will not benefit anyone other than him whom has granted permission the Merciful, and accepts for him a word.

        See the bold part? It is not 'Accepted his word', but more like 'Accepted for him a word'. This changes the meaning to quite some extent. This is based upon my knowledge of the prefixed preposition 'lm' at the beginning of the pronoun 'him'.
        Salaam,

        Thanks for the verses, and sharing your thoughts. I agree with you; if intercession exists the way the traditional Muslims think, then that would definitely be unjust. One thing however, is that, I feel the translation you provided of 20109 is slightly off. This is what I have provided in my article

        Ch. 20 Verse 109 On that day, Shafa?at (Intercession) will not benefit anyone other than him whom has granted permission the Merciful, and accepts for him a word.

        See the bold part? It is not 'Accepted his word', but more like 'Accepted for him a word'. This changes the meaning to quite some extent. This is based upon my knowledge of the prefixed preposition 'lm' at the beginning of the pronoun 'him'.

        Salaam brother,

        Thanks for your feed back.

        In the ayat 20109 Allah is referring to the (word,speech), which He is (accepts)

        Sahih International
        That Day, no intercession will benefit except one to whom the Most Merciful has given permission and has accepted his word. 20109
        Yusuf Ali
        On that Day shall no intercession avail except for those for whom permission has been granted by (Allah) Most Gracious and whose word is acceptable to Him. 20109

        There is nothing wrong with the above translations, in relation to what Allah is referring as an "acceptable word", Allah explains the "word" in the ayat below

        Sahih International
        indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger. 6940
        Yusuf Ali
        That this is verily the word of an honoured messenger; 6940

        I hope it clarifies any misunderstanding.

        Peace

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          unknownuser
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          Salaam brother,

          Thanks for your feed back.

          In the ayat 20109 Allah is referring to the (word,speech), which He is (accepts)

          Sahih International
          That Day, no intercession will benefit except one to whom the Most Merciful has given permission and has accepted his word. 20109
          Yusuf Ali
          On that Day shall no intercession avail except for those for whom permission has been granted by (Allah) Most Gracious and whose word is acceptable to Him. 20109

          There is nothing wrong with the above translations, in relation to what Allah is referring as an "acceptable word", Allah explains the "word" in the ayat below

          Sahih International
          indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger. 6940
          Yusuf Ali
          That this is verily the word of an honoured messenger; 6940

          I hope it clarifies any misunderstanding.

          Peace

          Salam,

          I just realized the '' in the Sahih International translation, how stupid of me to not notice it before, for now it makes sense.

          Sorry for any disturbance.

          Peace

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            Awaal_Muslim
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            Salam,

            I just realized the '' in the Sahih International translation, how stupid of me to not notice it before, for now it makes sense.

            Sorry for any disturbance.

            Peace

            Salaam Brother

            In my opinion, it was a good question from you, which clarified the things further for everyone else here. I thank you for your valuable input.

            Peace

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              unknownuser
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              Salaam Brother

              In my opinion, it was a good question from you, which clarified the things further for everyone else here. I thank you for your valuable input.

              Peace

              Salam,

              Hmm, you're right. So....you're welcome! ;D

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                Jafar
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                Hence the notion that the Prophet will save those of his followers who are even great sinners and will pull them out of hell and let them enter heaven does not seem to coincide with the Quran at all.

                The next question to be asked is "Where does this idea came from?".

                It came from Christianism, as the Islam (note capital "I&quot Clerics/Priest are competing with them for 'sheep' and followers, they need to prove that their newly created Islam religion is much more superior than their competing product, Christianity.

                Since Christianity based most of their 'features' around Jesus, thus the Islam Clerics/Priest must invented something to show that their idol / main feature of Islam religion; Muhammad, is greater or at least on-par with Jesus.

                As Jesus was and is advertised as capable of saving sinners out from hell for those who believe in him.
                Well that alone is not enough, they also need to join the Christianity religion.
                And well ... that alone is not enough, as they also need to join the correct Christianity sect (let's put Catholics) and those who joined the deviant Orthodox or Protestant or Anglican church will not be saved by Jesus.
                And well ... that alone is not enough, as they need to buy the confession paper available for (discounted) sale through any local catholic church near you..
                Only by then Jesus will save you from hell..

                Thus the Islam clerics/priest 'countered' the Christian advertisement with their own advertising campaign.
                Muhammad can also save the sinner from Hell!!
                Of course only with specific "Terms & Conditions", those who are Shiites, Ahmadis and other deviant sects will not be saved by Muhammad.

                Salam / Peace

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                  drfazl
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                  Allah says without any ambiguity or contradiction

                  Allah would allow intercession only from the honoured witnesses who would speak in favour of His Judgement, and who would testify against the guilty. Even the eyes, the ears, the skins, the hands and the legs would speak against the guilty. And upon the mouth of the guilty would be the seal.

                  2 48.

                  Peace.

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                    unknownuser
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                    Agreed (With drfazl and Jafar)

                    Salamun Alaykuma.

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                      drfazl
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                      Fallen Angel, May Allah Bless Us All

                      3944
                      Say "Towards Allah's is all intercession."

                      Peace.

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                        Fallen Angel, May Allah Bless Us All

                        3944
                        Say "Towards Allah's is all intercession."

                        Peace.

                        Of course

                        Peace.

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                          Fahad1
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                          Salam alaikum.

                          Check these out

                          What The Quran says about Shafaat / Intercession - Video Lecture by Mohammad Shaikh

                          English https//www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=158204194213255
                          Urdu https//www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=188427991190875

                          In that connection, also see

                          Messengers ask Forgiveness and Punishment for People
                          http//www.takhlees.blogspot.com/2013/03/messengers-ask-for-forgiveness-and.html

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                            unknownuser
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                            ^ Thanks for the links ;D.

                            Salamun Alayk

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                              Fahad1
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                              No problem!

                              Wa salam.

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