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This is getting really petty now. Let's not allow our egoes to overtake us. I know I am guilty of this and it's a work in progress for me. Let's be respectful to one another, at least.
Salaam.
Salaam,
I want to thank you for the kind words, brother Zulf and for your elaboration, was nice hearing some other wise words.
The tone in this thread is quite bad actually, we shall not make Satan happy, shall we?
I just want to add one last thing
It is not the belief in God, prayers or knowing about eternal life which will cause most people to be doomed to Hell of those who believe. It will be the personality, and clearly, this parameter is constantly overlooked, and thus the biggest trap of them all.
God bless you, that you may not fall into the trap just mentioned
I agree... although it appears the moderators have taken care of it.
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So, the so called moderator deleted all the logical answers posted by me in the light of ayahs, it makes me wonder what kind of person who can delete the Allah's Ayats! Next, what! will you delete these verses from the Quran because your mate does not like it. You deleted my fuller explanation about Jihaad, Subalana and Mohsaneen. A very child like approach and hiding the truth from people. on the contrary, you will not delete the open session of abuse that I complained about from the post of xintai_1. Change the name of this website to Twisted-Minds it reflects you better.
Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. 2190
Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah ; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating , seeking bounty from Allah and pleasure. Their mark is on their faces from the trace of prostration. That is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is as a plant which produces its offshoots and strengthens them so they grow firm and stand upon their stalks, delighting the sowers - so that Allah may enrage by them the disbelievers. Allah has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds among them forgiveness and a great reward. 4829
You sent me email saying do not judge people. So, who Allah is addressing in the Quran and asking them to say "QUL" do I have to read the ayats to myself? Who is asking to fight and to whom? What is the status of Criterion, that your buddy highlighted in the ayats 548, that you completely deleted without any hesitation. You did not even quote a single ayat in your email to justify your actions apart from you desires/hawa mention in the ayat below, how can you judge when you can not justify or understand the Quranic Ayats, I believe you judge through your mate ship!
And We have revealed to you, , the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation , but to test you in what He has given you; so race to good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ. 548
Peace
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Another point, which I myself struggle with, is the knowing-vs-doing...
Yes, of course this is very true, though I think to really act rightously, you have to feel that one-ness, and if ou really feel it (I myself still inly have a vague glance of it) maybe you cannot but act rightously.
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Salaam Awaal_Muslim,
I doubt it was the wisdom of your quoted verses or your wise words that caused your posts to be removed but the rudeness of some of your words, included in them. I could see it in not only your ones but also those from others.
Righteousness followed by ill-meant words do not go well together.
Now do not be offended, I just gave you my understanding of the situation.
I was also letting my emotions make me write a few long threads defending my standing, but I tried to minimize offensive language.
God bless you, that you may calm down and look at it with a new mindset
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you will not delete the open session of abuse that I complained about from the post of xintai_1.
Salaam,
I agree with you on that. I just checked and it looks like they deleted that thread. I also had to block him on youtube, so you are not alone in your experiences of him. They deleted the whole session where we got into a discussion over seals upon hearts etc. I can understand some of your frustration, I know I've felt that way sometimes. It's probably why I'm thinking of taking a step back from this discussion board for now.
There may be some people who are giving you advice based off of the Quran about character etc, but I wouldn't take it too personally. Everyone, and I mean everyone, has to learn this important aspect of putting things into practice. All of us make mistakes and maybe my mistake was getting involved in it at all.
May Allah shower you and all believers with Mercy and Blessings.
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Peace RidaKhan
I would ask, what is your true religion?, because the tone of voice in your writings sounds very arrogant, and to what I understand a Muslim should be humble, and should always keep in mind that he/she may be mistaking, and that only God knows the true meaning of words and verses.
4729Or do they in whose hearts is disease think, perchance, that God would never bring their moral failings to light?
4730 Now had We so willed, We could have shown them clearly to thee, so that thou wouldst know them for sure as by a visible mark but thou wilt most certainly recognize them by the tone of their voice. And God knows all that you do"That your passport says you are a muslim only means that you are a Muslim in the eyes of man, but that doesn't mean that you are. What if in the eyes of God you are Not?. Only God knows what is in the hearts of man.
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Oneself, is the biggest project of one's life.
All of us have to improve, especially those who don't think they need to improve.
We all have different weaknesses of character, learned or inherited.
We are all quite complex in our character make-up, and we cannot tell for sure much about another, and often not about ourselves. We can however distinguish certain tendencies or predominant habits of character in ourselves and others, as long as we refrain from judging others. Our actions will speak for us.
They way to heal one's weaknesses and blindness, is to sincerely and continuously pray to God for improvement, and to sincerely commit to change through active and conscious steps. This may sound easy, but it can be very difficult indeed. For some people it may be easier than for others. We all have different lessons to learn.All in all, we are totally dependent on God's mercy for this.
Peace all!
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Salaam,
I think the biggest help you can get, when it comes to grow in character, is to pray to God for His nearness and guidance as well as protection from the evil one and his followers. And submit to His Will.
And you should have no doubt in your Faith.
Fulfilling the above, and give your whole self to improving your personality, will lead one on a straight path.
I recommend to be ridiculously humble almost, even if your "old self" says no. Not only to God, but also to people around you. The biggest trap was the personality, as I said in a previous thread, and people generally forget that treatment of others is included in this.
Even try to show humbleness to those who oppose you, and even if they are clearly wrong, refrain from ridicule but politely correct them. Control your emotions, even if they start using bad language, and try to utter only righteous words in return.
Also be humble in response to ideas which you may not agree with, for they might be better than yours, if you shine new Light on them.
Remember, it is not always important to be right all the time, as long as one has an honest and kind heart.
This is my understanding of the way of God, you will most likely not fulfill the philosophy behind Islam without attempting the above mentioned parameters. Remember, Islam is all about building peace with both yourself and your surroundings and it is best to start from within yourself.
Without this inner peace it is difficult to be a truly righteous person, and will make your worship of God nullified, meaningless.
If parameter 3 of the below list is not fulfilled, then all fails as a chain reaction
- Believe in God
- Believe in the Hereafter
- Be a righteous person
Criterion number three is the biggest hassle for all of us, including myself, and that is what we must work on.
It is such a broad topic and it has to do with everything regarding your personality, both things I mentioned earlier and things I have not mentioned here. But all three criteria go hand in hand, to find the Truth, the Path and the Light, you must actively work on all three of them.
God will only accept your worship of Him if you back it up with righteous deeds.
The more righteous deeds and soul development, the greater rewards in your relationship with your Maker. The chain reaction is also in a positive regard, buffed by righteousness you can improve your worship of God and the blessings from Him.
I have noticed, when I focus on righteous deeds and my own personal development God will reward me in various ways. I have had obvious divine benefits during recent time. Despite this I am humble and I wish everyone else the same and that is why I say this to you now. Not because I think I am better, God helped me, so I could see straight. Without God I would be a nobody, believe me.
Sorry for all the text, it seems that when I start writing I have a problem stopping. At least these are honest words.
God bless you
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Peace RidaKhan
I would ask, what is your true religion?, because the tone of voice in your writings sounds very arrogant.
Hey there. I don't understand why you think I am arrogant. I guess my writing style is not that same others because I don't like to add "prayers" or "Quranic verses" to random strangers I meet on the discussion forums.
To your question, I don't have a religion. I follow a Deen (an ideology/ way of life) called Islam which literally means "Peace". Because I am a follower of Islam and its holy book, the Quran- I call myself a Muslim because I agree with the teachings of the Quran and also because I am comfortable with just being called a Muslim (no sunni, no shia, no wahabi). Like I said in my introduction, I do not like to be labelled with any kind of "ists" "holics" or definitely do not follow any "isms".
Secondly, I was also born into a Muslim- sunni family. And I pray the sunni way to make my parents happy and to keep peace with the rest of the Muslim community. Of course, my understanding of salaat is very different to 99% of the Muslims. Nevertheless, I compromise on certain rituals performed by the Muslims because I want to keep peace.
Of course, you are judging me in saying that I am arrogant. And you have no right to judge me, and I have no right to judge you. Therefore, I had suggest that if both of us don't have anything nice to say to each other, we shouldn't say anything.
I was the one who reported to the moderators so that the discussion is heated down. My action was not out of arrogance, it was with the intention of compromise and to keep peace. Again, sad when people judge you without getting to know you. Just because I disagree with you or question your identity, it is as a result of curiosity and interest. Not arrogance.
I also got a cool fb pic that you guys might be interested in having a look at. )
https//www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=495958453797969&set=a.169489449778206.41247.159050624155422&type=1&theater
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Hey there. I don't understand why you think I am arrogant. I guess my writing style is not that same others because I don't like to add "prayers" or "Quranic verses" to random strangers I meet on the discussion forums.
To your question, I don't have a religion. I follow a Deen (an ideology/ way of life) called Islam which literally means "Peace". Because I am a follower of Islam and its holy book, the Quran- I call myself a Muslim because I agree with the teachings of the Quran and also because I am comfortable with just being called a Muslim (no sunni, no shia, no wahabi). Like I said in my introduction, I do not like to be labelled with any kind of "ists" "holics" or definitely do not follow any "isms".
Secondly, I was also born into a Muslim- sunni family. And I pray the sunni way to make my parents happy and to keep peace with the rest of the Muslim community. Of course, my understanding of salaat is very different to 99% of the Muslims. Nevertheless, I compromise on certain rituals performed by the Muslims because I want to keep peace.
Of course, you are judging me in saying that I am arrogant. And you have no right to judge me, and I have no right to judge you. Therefore, I had suggest that if both of us don't have anything nice to say to each other, we shouldn't say anything.
I was the one who reported to the moderators so that the discussion is heated down. My action was not out of arrogance, it was with the intention of compromise and to keep peace. Again, sad when people judge you without getting to know you. Just because I disagree with you or question your identity, it is as a result of curiosity and interest. Not arrogance.
I also got a cool fb pic that you guys might be interested in having a look at.
https//www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=495958453797969&set=a.169489449778206.41247.159050624155422&type=1&theater
Salaam Rida,
Nice pic. I like the prayers, I think the people who put them here do so out of sincerity and I know I make du'a for people so why can't people express it in words? Just like I write sometimes after Allah (swt) because it reminds me to glorify His name. I also think I said on this thread that I was thinking of taking a step back from this forum in terms of the way debates are but then posts came up that I wanted to respond to as well as my own thread - isn't that just the way?
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To your question, I don't have a religion. I follow a Deen (an ideology/ way of life) called Islam which literally means "Peace". Because I am a follower of Islam and its holy book, the Quran- I call myself a Muslim because I agree with the teachings of the Quran and also because I am comfortable with just being called a Muslim (no sunni, no shia, no wahabi). Like I said in my introduction, I do not like to be labelled with any kind of "ists" "holics" or definitely do not follow any "isms".
LOL, I had the same experience as you many times..
(Sectarian) people just 'confused' when they found a human without any religion.. something which is totally new for them.As for me I usually add; because I don't belong exclusively to a specific sect or religion, I have no problems praying in any Synagogues, Churches, Mosques or meditating in any temples. And if there's a war or conflict involving religion A vs religion B most definitely I will NOT support any of them.
As thus you can call me a 'sober human'.As for me I don't follow a specific book (and reject other books or sources).
I read all of them from all sources, I seek wisdom and not merely (subjective) truth.I don't believe revelation stops with a book about 1400 years ago in arabia/kanaan, as my observation clearly doesn't shows that is true. As matter of fact revelation is going faster and faster at exponential rate.
welcome To the forum
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Secondly, I was also born into a Muslim- sunni family. And I pray the sunni way to make my parents happy and to keep peace with the rest of the Muslim community. Of course, my understanding of salaat is very different to 99% of the Muslims. Nevertheless, I compromise on certain rituals performed by the Muslims because I want to keep peace.
so, if tomorrow they begin praying to stones you will do it too, just to keep peace. God and his laws should be above all things(that includes your parents, learn from the story of Abraham). Also, You should learn why Mosses was punished with not seeing, but only from far away, the promised land, it may help you to understand some things.
As for me I usually add; because I don't belong exclusively to a specific sect or religion, I have no problems praying in any Synagogues, Churches, Mosques or meditating in any temples.
You should be careful, because if God Forbids from eating simple food that have been immolated/offered to any of those that the ignorant equal to Him, I don't believe he will like us praying in temples built in honor of those the ignorant equal to Him. However, I believe that if you, before praying there, destroy all the abominations and clean the temple and purify it for the true God, maybe, that way, it is acceptable to pray in there.
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so, if tomorrow they begin praying to stones you will do it too, just to keep peace. God and his laws should be above all things(that includes your parents, learn from the story of Abraham). Also, You should learn why Mosses was punished with not seeing, but only from far away, the promised land, it may help you to understand some things.
Well we don't know what tomorrow holds do we? So let's not make assumptions about anyone praying to stones. Because the fact is my parents don't pray to stones, they pray to Allah, to one God.
I already know the stories of Abraham and Moses, read it in many different languages, with many different interpretations.
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Salaam Rida,
Nice pic. I like the prayers, I think the people who put them here do so out of sincerity and I know I make du'a for people so why can't people express it in words? Just like I write sometimes after Allah (swt) because it reminds me to glorify His name. I also think I said on this thread that I was thinking of taking a step back from this forum in terms of the way debates are but then posts came up that I wanted to respond to as well as my own thread - isn't that just the way?
I guess. It is totally up to you though, you are not obliged to answer anyone's questions. Their journey will take fold regardless. I personally like the idea of discussion forms. I met a really good friend from Canada on a discussion forum and she was there for me during my hardest times. I also met my Uncle on a discussion forum who used to play cricket with my dad when they were young. We speak to each other every weekend now. You never know where your next click or reply will take you.
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I guess. It is totally up to you though, you are not obliged to answer anyone's questions. Their journey will take fold regardless. I personally like the idea of discussion forms. I met a really good friend from Canada on a discussion forum and she was there for me during my hardest times. I also met my Uncle on a discussion forum who used to play cricket with my dad when they were young. We speak to each other every weekend now. ) You never know where your next click or reply will take you.
Discussion, whether online or not, is varied for me. I've had both positive and negative experiences but from all the "negative" experiences I learnt something. So, in that sense, i benefited something from them.
In terms of finding more on the Quran alone perspective, discussion forums are probably one of the best resources. Because its all about individual perspectives, finding where they align and diverge. Plus, it's all "raw", not filtered through publishing etc, if that's the best way to put it. Then again, I don't take too much on board because I just want to go to the Quran with a fresh mind. I know the different possible interpretations, but I still want to understand the Message for what it is, as God (swt) guides me.
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Peace,
Kind words and compassion are better than a charity that is followed by insult. GOD is Rich, Clement.
ONE GOD peace
Qawlun maAAroof is an attribute of the Quran, and this what you have been deleting, everything in the Book is explained, "Qawl Maroof" does not mean the nice words or flowery saying according to our own understanding, I quoted the ayats and than the accusation started.
And when Our verses are recited to them as clear evidences, those who do not expect the meeting with Us say, "Bring us a Qur'an other than this or change it." Say, , "It is not for me to change it on my own accord. I only follow what is revealed to me. Indeed I fear, if I should disobey my Lord, the punishment of a tremendous Day." 1015
To "Man of Faith" it is a general understanding about any discussion or a forum to provide facts/proofs to establish your arguments/statement in relation to the topic, hence when we discuss Islam, one must be able to establish according to Allah's Ayats, to justify your own understanding according to Allah not according to xyz, this is also the practice of messenger "Sunhat-e-Rasool" therefore Allah commanded us to Say "QUL" 333 times in Quran. And if we fail to do so, we are associating/ascribing things with Allah. An example of this is "Iblis" who denied Allah's command and than associated words with Allah, 233-34.
Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly fabricated a tremendous sin. 448
How can we establish Islam without Allah's word? this is what Iblis did he excluded Allah's spirit "Rooh" the "kalimaat" Allah taught Adam and he did not prostate while the Maliaka did. Therefore, I make sure my statements are backed up by Quranic ayahs, however, if my own words "not Allah's Ayats" has offended you please accept my humble apology.
So, when I have made him and have breathed into him of My Spirit, do ye fall down, prostrating yourselves unto him. 1529
A believer attitude when they hear Allah and His Messenger
The answer of the Believers, when summoned to Allah and His Messenger, in order that He may judge between them, is no other than this they say, "We hear and we obey" it is such as these that will attain felicity. 2451
and for the non believer
And those who disbelieve say, "Do not listen to this Qur'an and speak noisily during it that perhaps you will overcome." 4126
Finally, I agree with "supportpeacenotwar" with the standard of this forum, however, I do believe there are people in this forum who are constructively participating and establishing the truth.
But than again the only people who will recite the book
Those to whom We have given the Book recite it with its true recital. They believe in it. And whoever disbelieves in it - it is they who are the losers. 2121
Peace
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Salaam,
So you are saying my utterances are not in accordance with the Message? Or was it someone else?
Anyway, God bless you
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Peace Awaal_Muslim,
I find that the easiest way not to have disagreements is to
- Don't talk
- Talk to yourself
Although I once did see a man arguing profusely with an invisible enemy.
But if you give your opinion, be prepared for others giving their views that may
not agree with yours for whatever reason.peace