:: Who brought AlQuraan/AlKitaab? Muhammed? NO!!! ::
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Salaamun alayka,
Thank you I see now what you mean with "and died in that state".
But I see also that Allah is capable to say something like "and died in that state" in 2161.
So I wonder why you translated 986 with an "and died in that state" while it's not there.
We can already learn from 2161 that He is capable of doing it, but He did not do it in 986.Salaam,
BenderSalamun alaikum,
Writing --- the original text is according to conventions and the style of author.
Translation is the transference of the information embedded in the original text in the target language which has its own conventions. Its conventions are also to be taken care of.
This is a compound of Prepositional Phrase and Possessive Phrase. This is about the EMBEDDED/ELIDED predicate of the Verb Like Particle "Inna". A prepositional phrase is neither a subject of sentence nor predicate. It is relating to either.
"in the fire of Hell" is obviously relevant only after death. Though the elided predicate is visible to everyone who knows grammar and mode of writing of Arabic, but I insist in translation that it should only be from Qur'aan as I quoted you the Ayahs.
Reading does not mean picking the meanings of individual words. It needs comprehension. And for comprehending a non native text, one MUST know the grammar and modes of writing in that language.
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Peace
4150 VERILY, those who deny God and His apostles by endeavouring to make a distinction between God and His apostles, and who say, "We believe in the one but we deny the other,"* and want to pursue a path in-between - (4151) it is they, they who are truly denying the truth and for those who deny the truth We have readied shameful suffering.
- Or "We believe in some and we deny the others"- that is, they believe in God but not in
His apostles (Zamakhshari) or, alternatively, they believe in some of the apostles and
deny others (Tabari and Zamakhshari). To my mind, the first of these two interpretations
is preferable inasmuch as it covers not only a rejection of some of the apostles but also
a total rejection of the idea that God may have revealed His will through His chosen
message-bearers. In Islam, the rejection of any or all of God's apostles constitutes almost
as grave a sin as a denial of God Himself.(Mohamed Assad)
- Or "We believe in some and we deny the others"- that is, they believe in God but not in
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Salamun alaikum,
Salaamun alayka,
I am singular.
This is a compound of Prepositional Phrase and Possessive Phrase. This is about the EMBEDDED/ELIDED predicate of the Verb Like Particle "Inna". A prepositional phrase is neither a subject of sentence nor predicate. It is relating to either.
"in the fire of Hell" is obviously relevant only after death. Though the elided predicate is visible to everyone who knows grammar and mode of writing of Arabic, but I insist in translation that it should only be from Qur'aan as I quoted you the Ayahs.
Reading does not mean picking the meanings of individual words. It needs comprehension. And for comprehending a non native text, one MUST know the grammar and modes of writing in that language.
Can you please show me what elided predicate is visible to everyone who knows grammar and mode of writing of Arabic in
1032Salaam,
Bender -
Salaamun alayka,
I am singular.
Can you please show me what elided predicate is visible to everyone who knows grammar and mode of writing of Arabic in
1032Salaam,
BenderSalamun alaika,
In categorization of sentences it the the simple sentence. It is news given under oath. Subject noun of Verb Like Particle is man as species.
It needs a predicate. is not predicate since it is a prepositional phrase with prefixed emphatic particle to lay another emphasis on the news given.
The elided predicate is visible to rational beings if they know what is signified by a verbal noun which states only action and state without reference to time. The oath is also about the timeline.
You determine the meanings and signification of and the elided predicate will emerge before your eyes. Please try.
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Salamun alaika,
Salaamun alayka,
I can not find such usage in The Quran.
Can I say also to a singular person Barakatun Aleikum hmmIn categorization of sentences it the the simple sentence. It is news given under oath. Subject noun of Verb Like Particle is man as species.
It needs a predicate. is not predicate since it is a prepositional phrase with prefixed emphatic particle to lay another emphasis on the news given.
The elided predicate is visible to rational beings if they know what is signified by a verbal noun which states only action and state without reference to time. The oath is also about the timeline.
You determine the meanings and signification of and the elided predicate will emerge before your eyes. Please try.
What I see is that the structure of 1032 is the same as 986
A- 1032
A- 982I was wondering why there is no "and died in that state" in your translation of 1032
Salaam,
Bender -
Salaamun alayka,
What I see is that the structure of 1032 is the same as 986
A- 1032
A- 982I was wondering why there is no "and died in that state" in your translation of 1032
Salaam,
BenderThe similarity is that both prepositional phrase are about the elided predicate of Inna. "Loss" is determined at the extreme end of time. Going within the Hell-Prison is also to be determined by the end state of a person.
Swearing is by the Span of Time;
That the fact is the Man as a species is certainly heading towards loss-worse state at the concluding point in time than the state-position at the point in time of beginning.
Except those who willingly and affectionately accepted-believed and performed moderate righteous deeds;
And they consciously kept themselves embedded-tied with the Infallible Fact-Grand Qur'aan;
And they convincingly kept themselves remain coolly perseverant and steadfast. -
The similarity is that both prepositional phrase are about the elided predicate of Inna. "Loss" is determined at the extreme end of time. Going within the Hell-Prison is also to be determined by the end state of a person.
Swearing is by the Span of Time;
That the fact is the Man as a species is certainly heading towards loss-worse state at the concluding point in time than the state-position at the point in time of beginning.
Except those who willingly and affectionately accepted-believed and performed moderate righteous deeds;
And they consciously kept themselves embedded-tied with the Infallible Fact-Grand Qur'aan;
And they convincingly kept themselves remain coolly perseverant and steadfast.Salaamun alayka,
So now man is not in loss?
Salaam,
Bender -
Salaamun alayka,
So now man is not in loss?
Salaam,
Bender"Loss" is relative to Start and End. If someone is progressing towards Hell Prison he is even at this point in time in loss. If he reverts, he starts moving towards profit-gain. The purpose of the Book is to incline people to revert from loss direction.
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"Loss" is relative to Start and End. If someone is progressing towards Hell Prison he is even at this point in time in loss. If he reverts, he starts moving towards profit-gain. The purpose of the Book is to incline people to revert from loss direction.
Salaamun alayka,
I am not sure, but it looks to me that you have changed your direction several times during this conversation. That is ofcourse not a bad thing but at the moment I am not even sure what we are discussing.
Anway, do you still believe that "and died in that state" belongs in your translation of 986? If you still believe so, then be sure to implement it also in 1032 and all other ayaats with similar stucture like 986.
Even better is ofcourse to delete it from your translation of 986 as you know very well that if Allah wanted to say that, then for sure He does not need your help on it.Salaam,
Benderps. sorry MmKhan for offtopic
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Salaamun alayka,
I am not sure, but it looks to me that you have changed your direction several times during this conversation. That is ofcourse not a bad thing but at the moment I am not even sure what we are discussing.
Anway, do you still believe that "and died in that state" belongs in your translation of 986? If you still believe so, then be sure to implement it also in 1032 and all other ayaats with similar stucture like 986.
Even better is ofcourse to delete it from your translation of 986 as you know very well that if Allah wanted to say that, then for sure He does not need your help on it.Salaam,
Benderps. sorry MmKhan for fftopic
Salamun alaika,
No change of direction; the problem in comprehending the otherwise simple things is only because you are not taking care how the prepositional phrases in sentences are linked to the semantics of the sentence. The preposition and its object noun determine the elided predicate. When the object noun changes the predicate is not the same at both places.
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Salamun alaika,
No change of direction; the problem in comprehending the otherwise simple things is only because you are not taking care how the prepositional phrases in sentences are linked to the semantics of the sentence. The preposition and its object noun determine the elided predicate. When the object noun changes the predicate is not the same at both places.
Salaamun alayka,
It might be that I'm a litle bit slow in understanding things, so maybe you can help me a bit to understand better.
Can you please translate for me the next sentence please, it's not Quran.
Inna allatheena kafaroo min ahli alkitabi waalmushrikeena fee cold of Alaska khalideena feeha.Salaam and thx!
Bender -
Salaamun alayka,
It might be that I'm a litle bit slow in understanding things, so maybe you can help me a bit to understand better.
Can you please translate for me the next sentence please, it's not Quran.
Inna allatheena kafaroo min ahli alkitabi waalmushrikeena fee cold of Alaska khalideena feeha.Salaam and thx!
BenderSalaman,
Once we are able to write few sentences and read some sentences; we never look back to recap as to what is writing and what is reading. It is always good to go through basic lessons as to how a text is written, rules and conventions of writing and rules and conventions for how to read a text in any language.
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Salaman,
Once we are able to write few sentences and read some sentences; we never look back to recap as to what is writing and what is reading. It is always good to go through basic lessons as to how a text is written, rules and conventions of writing and rules and conventions for how to read a text in any language.
Salaamun alayka,
Is this your translation of what I asked hmm
salaam,
Bender -
Salam,
I'm reviving this old thread.
Brother MMkhan, can you please explain your understanding of this
S28V44
And you, , were not on the western side when We revealed to Moses the command, and you were not among the witnesses .Who is Allah talking to?
According to your theory, the book was given to Moussa but is adressing someone else?
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Salam,
I'm reviving this old thread.
Brother MMkhan, can you please explain your understanding of this
S28V44
And you, , were not on the western side when We revealed to Moses the command, and you were not among the witnesses .Who is Allah talking to?
According to your theory, the book was given to Moussa but is adressing someone else?
Salaam brother,
Here are the possible translations of the aayat given
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And you, , were not on the western side when We revealed to Moses the command, and you were not among the witnesses.
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And you, , were not on the western side when We revealed to Moses the command, and you were not among the witnesses.
AlQuraan always refer to the reader whoever it might be. When it says "Qul huwaAllahu ahad" it does not means only only Mohammed has to say "huwaAllahu ahad". When you read it you will clearly understand that Allah is asking YOU to "SAY". AlQuraan always talk to the reader unless it is clearly stated by NAME whom it is addressing to.
BTW, my current understanding on this concept that alQuraan/alKitaab was given to Musa is changed. InshaAllah, I will write it down when my Lord allow me to do so.
Thanks for clarifying it.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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33.8.
And remember We took from the prophets their covenant and from you (singular masculine) and from Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary We took from them a solemn covenant
There are many addresses in singuar masculine in sura 33, which seem to refer to a specific prophet in spexific situation, even if tht kind of speecha, of course, can be generalised to analogous events and circumstances, such as are told in those passages.
Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. (21)
Here a specific, defined prophet is addressed, not an undetermined one or a collection of them.
Also 33.28 and others
O Prophet! Say to thy Consorts "If it be that ye desire the life of this World, and its glitter,- then come! I will provide for your enjoyment and set you free in a handsome manner. (2 But if ye seek Allah and His Messenger, and the Home of the Hereafter, verily Allah has prepared for the well-doers amongst you a great reward. (29)
Salaam
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33.8.
And remember We took from the prophets their covenant and from you (singular masculine) and from Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary We took from them a solemn covenant
There are many addresses in singuar masculine in sura 33, which seem to refer to a specific prophet in spexific situation, even if tht kind of speecha, of course, can be generalised to analogous events and circumstances, such as are told in those passages.
Salaam,
This could also refer to the reader, but unfortunately most of us don't take it on us and leave it for Nabi. Allah is very specific while addressing someone, like 3328 which you have quoted below. It clearly says O Nabi, Allah knows how to address to the reader and to the Nabi and to the Rasool.
Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. (21)
Here a specific, defined prophet is addressed, not an undetermined one or a collection of them.
I don't see any specific Rasool or Nabi mentioned in this aayat i.e.,3321. If the name is mentioned then you can say it is specific.
Also 33.28 and others
O Prophet! Say to thy Consorts "If it be that ye desire the life of this World, and its glitter,- then come! I will provide for your enjoyment and set you free in a handsome manner. (2 But if ye seek Allah and His Messenger, and the Home of the Hereafter, verily Allah has prepared for the well-doers amongst you a great reward. (29)
Salaam
Yes, this is the proof how Allah address to a Nabi.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
No his name is not mentionned but still it is a specific nabi, not any person whatever. I am not talking about names, but about persons. The fact that the name is not mentionned, does not make out of it any nabi whatever, but that secific nabi being addressed at that point.
On the other hand, if at a given time there is one that is known as nabi and only that one, the address to a naby in determined form must be taken that it is the nabi that is known as the nabi who is addressed.
Salaam