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    kgwithnob
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    ...meaning of the arabic Word Ikre... if you know how is this Word written in Arabic I would like you To put some Lines here please...

    the highlight above is from me.

    961

    IQRA'/Read in the name of your Lord who created .

    Peace,
    Khalil

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      Bender
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      2238 does not mention DAILY Salaats, but that is what we logically understand from it, i.e. we perform SALAAH, as a DAILY ritual.

      Salaamun alayka,

      243 And aqeemoo alssalata waatoo alzzakata and kneel with those who kneel.

      How many times a day do you understand from this ayaat that we have to perform the sallaat.
      And what about al-zakaat? Is it also on daily basis?

      The root word ?WA-SA-TA? means middle, center, midmost, midst, midway, halfway, average, median, medium, moderate, and neutral.

      In all the verses you?ve mentioned, it more or less, means the same. In 2143 it can mean, moderate and or neutral. In 589 it means, median and or moderate. In 6828 it means one from their midst.

      2143

      Are we just a moderate umma '(

      589

      What does "median"/"moderate" food mean?

      6828

      Wat was the best man doing in the story?

      Peace,
      Khalil

      Salaam,
      Bender

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        Bender
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        Peace Bender,

        So your translation would be

        You shall consistently observe the Contact Prayers, especially the middle prayer, foremost prayer and devote yourselves totally to GOD

        &

        Salaamun alayka,

        I do not agree with the red highlighted, but for the rest it is an ok translation.

        why & ?

        Salaam,
        Bender

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          hawk99
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          Salaamun alayka,

          I do not agree with the red highlighted, but for the rest it is an ok translation.

          why & ?

          Salaam,
          Bender

          Peace Bender,

          What is your translation of the entire verse (2/23?

          peace

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            Bender
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            Peace Bender,

            What is your translation of the entire verse (2/23?

            peace

            Salaamun alayka,

            something like this

            2238 Be secure over your connections/contacts and the foremost connection/contact and raise up to Allah qanitina.

            Sorry not sure yet how to understand the last word.

            Salaam,
            Bender

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              Bender
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              Peace Bender,

              What is your translation of the entire verse (2/23?

              peace

              salaamun alayka hawk,

              I gave you my translation but you did not tell me why the " & "
              (

              salaam,
              Bender

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                hawk99
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                Peace Bender,

                I apologize for my oversight, as far as the & is concerned, I just had the urge.
                There is also another icon I would like to use but haven't had a chance yet,
                so here goes brickwall brickwall brickwall aaahh much better.

                Back to your translation.

                Salaamun alayka,
                something like this
                2238 Be secure over your connections/contacts and the foremost connection/contact and raise up to Allah qanitina.
                Sorry not sure yet how to understand the last word.
                Salaam,
                Bender

                1. I am not fond of the forward slash, I prefer the translator to make a decision as
                  to what it is they want to say.

                2. The word foremost while grammatically correct is too ambiguous, what I mean by
                  too ambiguous is, which connection/contact are you referring to, if there are three or
                  five contact/connections, your translation does not denote which connection/contact
                  is the foremost.

                3. I see no problem with "qnitna" being translated as very or devoutly obedient.

                Just my opinion

                God Bless

                peace

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                  Bender
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                  Peace Bender,

                  I apologize for my oversight, as far as the & is concerned, I just had the urge.

                  Salaamun alayka,

                  you scared me

                  There is also another icon I would like to use but haven't had a chance yet,
                  so here goes brickwall brickwall brickwall aaahh much better.

                  Back to your translation.

                  1. I am not fond of the forward slash, I prefer the translator to make a decision as
                    to what it is they want to say.

                  I understand.
                  I am still not sure which word is a better translation, thats why I used the slash.

                  1. The word foremost while grammatically correct is too ambiguous, what I mean by
                    too ambiguous is, which connection/contact are you referring to, if there are three or
                    five contact/connections, your translation does not denote which connection/contact
                    is the foremost.

                  GREEN Does the arabic denotes which connection/contact is the foremost hmm

                  Anyways, more then 2 years ago, I thought the same as you, thus that it was referring to a middle prayer in a day.
                  Then after some study of the word "wusta" and the verse I was sure "wusta" could not mean "middle".
                  The only explanation I had, was that it could probably refer to the sallaat on the day of aljumuaa.
                  But with time I saw more and more flaws in this "aljumuaa" theory. So I rejected it.
                  Then Allah showed me
                  2014 "I am God, there is no god except Me, so serve Me and hold the sallaat for My remembrance."
                  What sallaat could be more important then that hail
                  If you have any then I am very happy to know.

                  1. I see no problem with "qnitna" being translated as very or devoutly obedient.

                  Sure it could be, I never studied the word so I keep at the moment every option open.

                  Just my opinion

                  God Bless

                  peace

                  handshake

                  May Allah bless you too pr
                  Bender

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                    unknownuser
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                    #54

                    2238 does not mention DAILY Salaats, but that is what we logically understand from it, i.e. we perform SALAAH, as a DAILY ritual.

                    The root word ?WA-SA-TA? means middle, center, midmost, midst, midway, halfway, average, median, medium, moderate, and neutral.

                    In all the verses you?ve mentioned, it more or less, means the same. In 2143 it can mean, moderate and or neutral. In 589 it means, median and or moderate. In 6828 it means one from their midst.

                    2143

                    589

                    6828

                    I agree with this for salatul wusta.
                    Word wasata will have different meaning based on verses's context.

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                      tariqahquraniyyah
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                      Peace be upon you.

                      I'm in complete agreement with your post and I'm glad to find someone who thinks like me. Although I have changed the wordings in my salat, and I hope to keep changing it every once in a while, it still consists of rakahs with the traditional pattern of 2-4-4-3-4.

                      Salaam!

                      I keep my rakaat to 4 or 2 depending on time and mood. I think it's perfectly acceptable to do so as God knows sometimes I'm so tired, but I try to aim for 4 always with intention beforehand.

                      I do Salat al-Fajr before sunrise, Salat al-Wustu at midday and Salat al-Isha after sunset. I reserve Dhikrullah (meditation on Allah's qualities) for after midnight when possible. I also practice this in jama'at with two, three or sometimes four others here in London. We have a very cheap space for this and we call our group Masjid Ahl al-Qur'an.

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                        Abu_Zakariya
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                        @kgwithnob

                        3 has no middle you said in an earlier post? If the word PEN has 3 letters, wouldn't the letter E be the middle one?

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