Children of Israel, Pharaoh and Egypt
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Peace huruf.
It does not say it is a saign to this day. It says for his successors.
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Yes you're true, if the word "khalfaka" or "khalifah" mean succesor, but it's a wrong way if we tafseer it too literally,
Example is the word "khalifah" in 230, is this means we literally became succesor of Allah? &. -
Quran was sent down in 6 century, so how the succesor of Pharaoh is still exist, by looking the distance of time between Musa and Muhammad.
So, please, whoever upholds a kings of Egyt being the fir3awn of the Qur'an please give name of pharaoh and more details, because there have been quite a number of kings of Egypt.
I already posting the site for sources, and the mummy is Ramses II.Actually not only that site which give such information but you may find another sites talking similiar
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Why should a succesor to anybody in the past exist now? That aya we have it in the Qur'an, and those before that either they did have the memory of the event or they didn't know the aya as explained by the Qur'an. There is no record in Egypt that anybody ever remembered or recorded anything concerning any Musa who had anything to do with any king of Egypt.
Ramses II did not die by drowning. That is, there is no hint whatsoever that any Egyptian had anything to do with it. And even if an Egyptian king had drowned that would be no proof that he had anything to do with Musa. They had plenty of sea battles without the help of the Bible.
Salaam
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Peace huruf.
- Yes you're true, if the word "khalfaka" or "khalifah" mean succesor, but it's a wrong way if we tafseer it too literally,
Example is the word "khalifah" in 230, is this means we literally became succesor of Allah? &.
Salaamun alayka brother,
RED Allahs ayaats are very clear, He knows what He wants to say yes
BLUE It does not say "successor of Allah" nopeSalaam,
Bender - Yes you're true, if the word "khalfaka" or "khalifah" mean succesor, but it's a wrong way if we tafseer it too literally,
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Peace Family,
What other countries besides Egypt had pharoahs? If Egypt is the country of pharoah
and if moses went to pharoah, and pharoah was in Egypt, then Moses went to Egypt
To retrieve his folk. Moses came after joseph who preceded his family to Egypt, therefore
the Israelites were in Egypt, Jacob the father of Joseph saidHad you witnessed Jacob on his death bed; he said to his children, "What will
you worship after I die?" They said, "We will worship your god; the god of your fathers
Abraham, Ismail, and Isaac; the one god. To Him we are submitters."I hope this is helpful
All have a blessed ramadan
peace
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Peace Family,
What other countries besides Egypt had pharoahs? If Egypt is the country of pharoah
and if moses went to pharoah, and pharoah was in Egypt, then Moses went to Egypt
To retrieve his folk. Moses came after joseph who preceded his family to Egypt, therefore
the Israelites were in Egypt, Jacob the father of Joseph saidHad you witnessed Jacob on his death bed; he said to his children, "What will
you worship after I die?" They said, "We will worship your god; the god of your fathers
Abraham, Ismail, and Isaac; the one god. To Him we are submitters."I hope this is helpful
All have a blessed ramadan
peace
Salaam,
at the beginning of the thread there is a remission to Pazuzu's book on the matter and to a thread on the matter too. I think you should read those before discussing further this question.
Misr in the Qur'an is not Egypt. It cannot be Egypt.
Salaam
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Peace all
Ramses II did not die by drowning. That is, there is no hint whatsoever that any Egyptian had anything to do with it. And even if an Egyptian king had drowned that would be no proof that he had anything to do with Musa. They had plenty of sea battles without the help of the Bible.
The only battle in red sea is Pharaoh of Exosud.@Hawk 99 is true if all of our Nabi are in same lineage, so most of their settlement is in the middle east especially in Palestine and Egypt, then the Pharaoh who had dealt with Musa must be a ruler in that region.
Ok I have no idea about this again, but I will give the link which give more clear evidences.
http//www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/chariot-wheels.htm
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXf2IDS-9g0BLUE It does not say "successor of Allah" nope
Wa'alaikum salam Bender.
BLUE230 And your Lord said to the angels ?I am placing a successor on
the earth.?........"If you disagree, so what is the meaning of "khalifa" in 230 according to you so it will became fit with the aayat?.
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Wa'alaikum salam Bender.
BLUE230 And your Lord said to the angels ?I am placing a successor on
the earth.?........"If you disagree, so what is the meaning of "khalifa" in 230 according to you so it will became fit with the aayat?.
salaamun alayka,
You said succesor of Allah
The ayaat says a succesorsalaam,
Bender -
Walaykum salam Bender.
I don't know what do you mean bro?
If Allah said "I will place my succesor in the earth", so this mean it's indirect said if Allah's position will be replaced by human &.
It's like if you say " I will place my succesor in the office", so this means you already arrange the succesor, so the succesor will replacing your position soon.
Salaaam
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Walaykum salam Bender.
I don't know what do you mean bro?
If Allah said "I will place my succesor in the earth", so this mean it's indirect said if Allah's position will be replaced by human &.
It's like if you say " I will place my succesor in the office", so this means you already arrange the succesor, so the succesor will replacing your position soon.
Salaaam
Salaamuna alyka bro,
There is no "MY" in the ayaat )
salaam,
Bender -
The word my is exist or not, the result is no different lol o
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Walaykum salam Bender.
I don't know what do you mean bro?
If Allah said "I will place my succesor in the earth", so this mean it's indirect said if Allah's position will be replaced by human &.
It's like if you say " I will place my succesor in the office", so this means you already arrange the succesor, so the succesor will replacing your position soon.
Salaaam
highlights above are from me.
230,
And recall what time thine Lord said unto the angels verily I am going to place a vicegerent On the earth. They said wilt Thou place therein one who will act corruptly therein and shed blood While we hallow Thine praise and glorify Thee! Allah said verily I know that which ye know not.
In the verse above GOD says A REPLACEMENT/successor, not MY successor.
GOD is replacing a NEW, more evolved, generation of HUMANS with the previous, less evolved ones, on Earth.
Peace,
Khalil -
The word my is exist or not, the result is no different lol
Khalifa, khalaf, istakhlafa, khulafa' .... the various derivatives of this word appear a dozen times in the Quran, and never change their meaning SUCCESSOR
You can look up all instances of this word and verify for yourself how the Quran uses it. Nations or peoples die, perish, become extinct, and are succeeded by others. This is the process of Istikhlaf.
Claiming that humans are the successors of Allah is tantamount to blasphemy, as Allah is eternal and omnipresent.
The passage you refer to states that Allah told the Malai'ka of His intention to make humankind (Adam and his progeny) the successor of a savage hominid race that existed before. This has been unquestionably proven by science, as the fossilized bones of these hominids have been unearthed, and showed that they co-existed with homo-sapiens - for a period of time - before they died out and became extinct. This is the Khilafa that the Quran is talking about.
Peace...
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LOL kgwithnob...looks like we were typing our replies at the same time.
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Peace Khalil and Pazuzu
Actually Bender missunderstood me.He think if I mistaken myself for putting the word "my" before "khalifah" in 230, but actually I just use that for the example only.
GOD is replacing a NEW, more evolved, generation of HUMANS with the previous, less evolved ones, on Earth.
The passage you refer to states that Allah told the Malai'ka of His intention to make humankind (Adam and his progeny) the successor of a savage hominid race that existed before. This has been unquestionably proven by science, as the fossilized bones of these hominids have been unearthed, and showed that they co-existed with homo-sapiens - for a period of time - before they died out and became extinct. This is the Khilafa that the Quran is talking about.
Your tafseer has no base from the Quran.So this is only an assumption, because Allah never said " I will place a succesor for previous generation (primordial man etc)".But both of your tafseer has no Quranic base.I mean this is only an assumption, because Allah never said "I will place succesor for previous generation (premordial man)"
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Allah never said "I will place succesor for previous generation (premordial man)"
highlight above is from me.
I'm quoting four verses and listing a whole bunch more for you to look up, so you know that replacing, i.e. placing SUCCESORS, generations after generations, is an INTEGRAL part of GOD's SUNNAH/system.
14;19,
35;16,
6;133,
6;165
7;69-74-129-142-150-169, 10;73-92, 14;22, 19;59, 24;55, 27;62, 35;39, 38;26 43;60
Peace,
Khalil -
giveup
Sorry supportpeacenotwar for offtopic
Aww, it's ok. I have come to understand the ways of this forum. jedi