How can the God Alone movement advance?
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Peace Khaliq.
Is this thread intended for British members only or everyone?
Salaam
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Salaam to my fellow muslims,
I HAVE AN IDEA.
Yes I'm serious. I am very excited to write this.
You know forums? Duh of course y'all know what forum is. Okay I know this question is silly.
But I'm serious with my idea and suggestions.
Every country has their own forums right? For example Pakistan has Paklinks (as far as I know).
Go to every Muslim-majority country's forums, spread about this hadith thingy by starting a new topic on their forums. I am pretty sure the youths especially those who are not-so-religious-muslims will be interested in this.
Give some Biblical verses (esp. The laws that are used in the so-called sharia law) that are practised by muslims today that are nowhere in the Qur'an. For example, teachings in these "awesome" verses Deuteronomy 2215-29, stoning of adultery, killing of apostasy, circumcision, women are lower than men etc.
Show them hadiths that are insulting Solomon (I think it's Solomon) which say that Solomon was going to "sleep with" multiple women, some say 100 women, others say 80 women etc.
Show them hadiths that are insulting God. For example hadith that says God will show His legs in Judgement Day etc.
Show them ahadith that contradict each other, contradict Our'an.
Show them ahadith that seem similar or "identical" to Talmud and Bible.
These verses in Qur'an may also help? 6940-52.
Etc etc etc.
And invite them to a group/page on Facebook etc.
Don't forget to show them it is POSSIBLE to do salat, zakat, ablution etc using Qur'an only without the help of hadiths. Only the methods are different.
Don't foget to tell them the history of hadiths (the time it were begun to be compiled, the one who commanded the collection of hadith? Imam Al Shafi) etc.
These are just my suggestions of what to write on threads on the forums.
Inshallah, we can collect these people and unite!
No more Salafism/Wahhabism/Ahlul Hadithims. No more Shiasm. No more extremism in the name of Islam. No more Sharia law.
Islam=peace.
P/S Sorry if I am sounding silly but I am just too excited writing this because this has been in my mind ever since I totally rejected hadiths as part of Islam.
May God grant us success.
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Great ideas honeybunch )
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Great ideas honeybunch )
Thanks. But still, we cannot do it publicly to initiate this mission or we will be jailed, shot or beheaded &
That's why I still suggest what to do on internet to spread about this, not in public. When we have collected maaaaany people from different countries (I would like to target Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan & Pakistan the most), when we have united and our number have become large, then we can speak out and spread this publicly. The mainstream scholars would also get pwned
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Agreed. I like to think the tide is already turning...The internet is a game changer tbh.
peace
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Peace to all.
In order to change the world, we have to know our real enemies. Who are our enemies? Can we know them? We have to get out of our mental block in order to recognize our enemies. Here are some points to consider who they are
One, they are also the enemies of the God and His system, satans and their followers among mankind
Two, they are afraid of the truth to be spread around
Three, they shout at and threat us due to our ideas which differ with what they hold
Four, they dislike what we are doing and block our way to the straight path
Five, they mock and ridicule us
Six, they disallow/shun our voice/opinion/message to be conveyed/heard
Seven, they refer to their authorities for action to persecute/prosecute us
Eight, they intrude our lives/community to impose their doctrine
Nine, they turn their backs when God alone is called
Ten, they reject us in mainstream life
Eleven, they scheme to destroy our community
I can go on and on. We have to be alert who they are. There are there to react to every effort we do.
Here is a suggestion on the way to move forward. First step, send the message to your family members and see how they respond. Deliver the message to your community leaders and see how they respond.
Second step, build our community center. Invite people to the call of the God only. Share the message with politeness and wisdom
Third step, when there are events such as the bombings, we go and help the victims and send our message of peace and the truth from the God. Say them loud and clear to the world
Fourth, if they want to harm us, we must be ready to defend, and if they fight us, we must be ready to fight back.
From my experience we would make a real breakthrough if we can reach to the second step.
Are we ready? Just do it.
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I can't believe there isn't a thread on this. p
Well, on the main website it has a poll, "How can the God Alone movement advance?"
I'd like to see what people here think, and how they would add their two cents.
I personally believe that it is important for Qur'an Alone Mosques to begin to appear. There are none that I know of in my local area and I live in quite a diverse area with a fair few mosques. I don't know of any in Birmingham (UK) either.
I have heard Hadithers say that Qur'an Alone Islam and Muslims are a predominantly internet thing. To some extent I think they are righ, unfortunately. How do we fix that?
One of the options is to start a town. How would we even go about that!?
Peace Khaliq,
As we are spread across the globe its more difficult to 'see' the Quran only movement. Although on the side of being noticeable, maybe that's a good thing and intended in some way... the first thing might be to find those among us who think similarly. Then find a place that would serve as a gathering place. Would people want to prayer there, discuss? Would we be willing to accept each others differences on things like fasting, prayer and so on?
Maybe we don't realise that if we all were together in the same way as many other groups on a large scale, we might not be so different from many other groups who end up dividing and such things. Possibly because that's more about human nature or something. I think a town is a little bit of a stretch, plus I get the feeling some would they take any kind of aggreivation against quran only as an opportunity for aggression against others rather than peacemaking first and would use the Quran as justification with the 'harsh against the disbelievers (kafir)' in some translations even though it says deal with those who do not force you to leave your homes, with justice and kindly. That kind of reaction would not be a good thing and would actually be the last thing we want. Patience would be important in this scenario. Why would we need to create a town though, I'm not sure what you mean but that sounds a little like the Amish or with a bit of segregation? Although, not sure exactly what you mean and how well this applies to the idea of Quran only and the idea of spreading the message.
Also the fact that anyone could be a believer if they believe in God, last day/justice and do good the the group called believers becomes more open.
Are we ready for that kind of larger scale thing you mentioned rather than just mosques and such things as individuals and believers ourselves? That might be the question. -
I was thinking of making youtube videos about Quran Alone, but I'm not sure how qaulified I'd be, seeing as I have not completed reading the Quran yet. But I seem to grasp the basis of it. But I don't think that's enough.
I also wanted to make discussion groups and events on Second Life (see www.secondlife.com), and build a virtual mosque there and community/center. There are already hundreds of thousands of muslims on that virtual world. Onislam.net even built their own virtual ka'bah and mecca, and islamic center, and give lectures there regularily and hajj tours every year.
I tried using the above idea also for virtual meetings for Quran Only Muslims who are scattered around the world , and even wrote about it in my own thread by very few people understood the idea P.
so im all alone with this idea until others see the value in it.
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Just visited Second Life, looks like the Sims. Interesting however...I'm going to join, see what it's like. And I'll be a vampire.
Thanks for the idea Pixel.
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Just visited Second Life, looks like the Sims. Interesting however...I'm going to join, see what it's like. And I'll be a vampire.
Thanks for the idea Pixel.
loooooooooool. Cool! Well add me there, I'm Maddie Diker (not my real name, but this was back in the day when they made you choose a fake last name)! I also go by Pixel Angel Baby as well.
let me know ur username if you don't know how to add ).
oo i so want to build a virtual quran only community!
oo this would be so fun! I can hire a builder to build us a beautiful white mosque (with no names but Allah in it!). I could probably build it myself but im not sure... Perhaps we can all pitch in how we'd like it to look.
What I love about this idea is that one day if it is possible, one could build a replica in real life. to reflect what we did virtually, and build a real life quran only community isA out there somewhere...
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Oh okay, mine's Atreidez. I couldn't even get off that first island then realised maybe I needed to fly over the broken bridge. Various clones in the same goth clothes as mine tried following me after I had done that, before they were just wandering around looking at me, I thought it was zombieland...one even spoke to me in russian! Don't know if he was swearing at me or welcoming me.
Sure sounds great actually, I want cobalt blue stain glass windows! Probably can't enter one as a vampire however
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Oh okay, mine's Atreidez. I couldn't even get off that first island then realised maybe I needed to fly over the broken bridge. Various clones in the same goth clothes as mine tried following me after I had done that, before they were just wandering around looking at me, I thought it was zombieland...one even spoke to me in russian! Don't know if he was swearing at me or welcoming me.
Sure sounds great actually, I want cobalt blue stain glass windows! Probably can't enter one as a vampire however
Oo yay! I will add you. I wonder if you are still on. I would love to show you the virtual kabah.
edit haha yeah that can happen sometimes. But don't judge Second Life just by the Orientation island .
sent you a friend request.
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Peace supportpeacenotwar and DrGm.
It is true that in an aggregate there is a tendency that we will be divided. We differ in many things among us. Only the God can strengthen our hearts to keep the bond. We are told to hold to the rope of Allah, His guidance with His knowledge.
Zone.
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Dear Khaliq
Your question is " I wanted to talk about the whole movement; how do we grow? "
Ok. As we knew Quranist development is different each other by each region.So I will told you little about Quranist movement in my country.In Indonesia, Quranist labeled as "Ingkar Sunnah" or Sunnah rejector.
Quranist movement in Indonesia was risen and gaining it's pride during 1970-1980s, maybe same time with Rashad Khalifa's era.Some Quranist scholar's name was appeared such like Irham Surtanto, Dalimi Lubis, Nazwar Syamsu etc and even a Dutch orientalist named Snouck Hurgronje allegedly involved on this, but I don't know exactly.
At that period, the Quranist groups capable to spreading it's teaching by releasing books, dakwah in masjid, via radio and other medias.Unfortunately, some Islamic organization and NGOs include Indonesian ulema autharity (Majelis Ulama Indonesia), quickly responded and they tracked down all Quranist movements, and in the climax is the Quranist movement evectively shut down and and it's figures was given an ultimatum by Islamic autharity "Stop your movement or this problem will bring into the court".
The more worse is Indonesian Supreme Court (Mahkamah Agung Indonesia) release act KEP-169/J.A/9/1983 and KEP-059/J.A/3/1984 about freezing all Quranist movements and Majelis Ulama Indonesia also releasing a fatwa (16 Ramadhan 1403 H) if Quranist is haram.
Yeah after that Quranist's last remant did their dakwah by hiding.In 2012 a base of Quranist group named Yata'in (Yayasan Tauhid Indonesia) under dr Minardi Mursyid was bombed by Sunni criminals and it's suspect already bring into the court and unfortunately the Yata'in receive same fate with previous Quranist (.
Yes it's hard if we spreading something which different from original mainstream and yes I'm very happy if Quran Alone is spreading well in UK such like abang Farouk Peru's group.
Freedom of though is not forbidden in Indonesia, but sectarian conflict and illegal dogmatic is still happens in here.Ok I'm not told you about how we grow, because it's already answered well by another members.
Salaam
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Well, on the main website it has a poll, "How can the God Alone movement advance?"
I personally believe that it is important for Qur'an Alone Mosques to begin to appear. There are none that I know of in my local area and I live in quite a diverse area with a fair few mosques. I don't know of any in Birmingham (UK) either.I think you kind of mixing up between "God" and "Quran".
"God Alone" doesn't have to be "Quran Alone"/"Anti Hadiths", and "Quran Alone" doesn't mean "God Alone".There are people who think that "Quran" is a kind of "Perfect Being", "Not Man Made" and/or not even "A Creation".
That's totally different than "God Alone", from my POV those people are idolizing a book called Quran.Now about "Specific Mosque".
It's wrong to fight "Religion" by creating another "Religion".
Fighting "Sectarianism" by creating another "Sect".
Fighting "Occultism" by creating another "Cult".From my POV, the advancement of "God Alone" movement is in parallel to the advancement of "Critical thinking habits" of specific society. Which again according to my observation it's exponentially increasing world wide as we speak.
Critical thinking is a key skill to differentiate between truth and falsehood.
And what I mean by "critical thinking" is not only critical thinking of other people's idea but also critical thinking of their own idea.Another indicator is the amount of "Religiosity/Sectarianism" among specific society.
Which again according to my observation it's exponentially decreasing world wide as we speak, or to put it in another words "Secularism" is exponentially increasing world wide as we speak.
Leader of nearly all organized religion are already aware and alarmed by this 'Bad Trend' (for them), the entire organized religion industry is falling down. They face grim outlook on this sudden rise of "Infidelism" / "Kufurism" (using their own lingo..).Example
Religion Among Americans Hits Low Point, As More People Say They Have No Religious Affiliation
http//www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/13/religion-america-decline-low-no-affiliation-report_n_2867626.htmlThus in summary.. The All-Mighty God shall have His will fulfilled in the end..
And the True God doesn't need any help from any of His creation.. because He's "All Powerful" in the first place..You're merely an 'observer' of His Will being realized and seen as 'event' by your own very eyes..
Salam / Peace
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The All-Mighty God shall have His will fulfilled in the end..
And the True God doesn't need any help from any of His creation.. because He's "All Powerful" in the first place..You're merely an 'observer' of His Will being realized and seen as 'event' by your own very eyes..
Salam / Peace
peace Jafar,
very truthful quote.
peace
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We need to strengthen our own base. We need to come to agreements on topics and issues where we can. Where we cannot, then we must agree to disagree, present the different views and let the people decide what is best for them.
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We need to get professional.
I think we need a better website. Something professional - this one will not cut it.
We need to do what the LDS Church have done. Check out their website www.lds.org
We need to present ourselves as the real deal and not amateur.
- We need to start getting the message out there.
I suggest we advertise in local / national papers. Maybe a verse or two from AQ, a few words on the oneness of god and the link to this site / forum. We need to increase awareness.
- We need to also target youth and converts. I say forget the old guard, they won't change. The focus should be on the youth to make them question the ways of their parents and converts who are having problems or aren't very cosy with their muslim community.
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