How can the God Alone movement advance?
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Just visited Second Life, looks like the Sims. Interesting however...I'm going to join, see what it's like. And I'll be a vampire.
Thanks for the idea Pixel.
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Just visited Second Life, looks like the Sims. Interesting however...I'm going to join, see what it's like. And I'll be a vampire.
Thanks for the idea Pixel.
loooooooooool. Cool! Well add me there, I'm Maddie Diker (not my real name, but this was back in the day when they made you choose a fake last name)! I also go by Pixel Angel Baby as well.
let me know ur username if you don't know how to add ).
oo i so want to build a virtual quran only community!
oo this would be so fun! I can hire a builder to build us a beautiful white mosque (with no names but Allah in it!). I could probably build it myself but im not sure... Perhaps we can all pitch in how we'd like it to look.
What I love about this idea is that one day if it is possible, one could build a replica in real life. to reflect what we did virtually, and build a real life quran only community isA out there somewhere...
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Oh okay, mine's Atreidez. I couldn't even get off that first island then realised maybe I needed to fly over the broken bridge. Various clones in the same goth clothes as mine tried following me after I had done that, before they were just wandering around looking at me, I thought it was zombieland...one even spoke to me in russian! Don't know if he was swearing at me or welcoming me.
Sure sounds great actually, I want cobalt blue stain glass windows! Probably can't enter one as a vampire however
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Oh okay, mine's Atreidez. I couldn't even get off that first island then realised maybe I needed to fly over the broken bridge. Various clones in the same goth clothes as mine tried following me after I had done that, before they were just wandering around looking at me, I thought it was zombieland...one even spoke to me in russian! Don't know if he was swearing at me or welcoming me.
Sure sounds great actually, I want cobalt blue stain glass windows! Probably can't enter one as a vampire however
Oo yay! I will add you. I wonder if you are still on. I would love to show you the virtual kabah.
edit haha yeah that can happen sometimes. But don't judge Second Life just by the Orientation island .
sent you a friend request.
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Peace supportpeacenotwar and DrGm.
It is true that in an aggregate there is a tendency that we will be divided. We differ in many things among us. Only the God can strengthen our hearts to keep the bond. We are told to hold to the rope of Allah, His guidance with His knowledge.
Zone.
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Dear Khaliq
Your question is " I wanted to talk about the whole movement; how do we grow? "
Ok. As we knew Quranist development is different each other by each region.So I will told you little about Quranist movement in my country.In Indonesia, Quranist labeled as "Ingkar Sunnah" or Sunnah rejector.
Quranist movement in Indonesia was risen and gaining it's pride during 1970-1980s, maybe same time with Rashad Khalifa's era.Some Quranist scholar's name was appeared such like Irham Surtanto, Dalimi Lubis, Nazwar Syamsu etc and even a Dutch orientalist named Snouck Hurgronje allegedly involved on this, but I don't know exactly.
At that period, the Quranist groups capable to spreading it's teaching by releasing books, dakwah in masjid, via radio and other medias.Unfortunately, some Islamic organization and NGOs include Indonesian ulema autharity (Majelis Ulama Indonesia), quickly responded and they tracked down all Quranist movements, and in the climax is the Quranist movement evectively shut down and and it's figures was given an ultimatum by Islamic autharity "Stop your movement or this problem will bring into the court".
The more worse is Indonesian Supreme Court (Mahkamah Agung Indonesia) release act KEP-169/J.A/9/1983 and KEP-059/J.A/3/1984 about freezing all Quranist movements and Majelis Ulama Indonesia also releasing a fatwa (16 Ramadhan 1403 H) if Quranist is haram.
Yeah after that Quranist's last remant did their dakwah by hiding.In 2012 a base of Quranist group named Yata'in (Yayasan Tauhid Indonesia) under dr Minardi Mursyid was bombed by Sunni criminals and it's suspect already bring into the court and unfortunately the Yata'in receive same fate with previous Quranist (.
Yes it's hard if we spreading something which different from original mainstream and yes I'm very happy if Quran Alone is spreading well in UK such like abang Farouk Peru's group.
Freedom of though is not forbidden in Indonesia, but sectarian conflict and illegal dogmatic is still happens in here.Ok I'm not told you about how we grow, because it's already answered well by another members.
Salaam
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Well, on the main website it has a poll, "How can the God Alone movement advance?"
I personally believe that it is important for Qur'an Alone Mosques to begin to appear. There are none that I know of in my local area and I live in quite a diverse area with a fair few mosques. I don't know of any in Birmingham (UK) either.I think you kind of mixing up between "God" and "Quran".
"God Alone" doesn't have to be "Quran Alone"/"Anti Hadiths", and "Quran Alone" doesn't mean "God Alone".There are people who think that "Quran" is a kind of "Perfect Being", "Not Man Made" and/or not even "A Creation".
That's totally different than "God Alone", from my POV those people are idolizing a book called Quran.Now about "Specific Mosque".
It's wrong to fight "Religion" by creating another "Religion".
Fighting "Sectarianism" by creating another "Sect".
Fighting "Occultism" by creating another "Cult".From my POV, the advancement of "God Alone" movement is in parallel to the advancement of "Critical thinking habits" of specific society. Which again according to my observation it's exponentially increasing world wide as we speak.
Critical thinking is a key skill to differentiate between truth and falsehood.
And what I mean by "critical thinking" is not only critical thinking of other people's idea but also critical thinking of their own idea.Another indicator is the amount of "Religiosity/Sectarianism" among specific society.
Which again according to my observation it's exponentially decreasing world wide as we speak, or to put it in another words "Secularism" is exponentially increasing world wide as we speak.
Leader of nearly all organized religion are already aware and alarmed by this 'Bad Trend' (for them), the entire organized religion industry is falling down. They face grim outlook on this sudden rise of "Infidelism" / "Kufurism" (using their own lingo..).Example
Religion Among Americans Hits Low Point, As More People Say They Have No Religious Affiliation
http//www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/13/religion-america-decline-low-no-affiliation-report_n_2867626.htmlThus in summary.. The All-Mighty God shall have His will fulfilled in the end..
And the True God doesn't need any help from any of His creation.. because He's "All Powerful" in the first place..You're merely an 'observer' of His Will being realized and seen as 'event' by your own very eyes..
Salam / Peace
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The All-Mighty God shall have His will fulfilled in the end..
And the True God doesn't need any help from any of His creation.. because He's "All Powerful" in the first place..You're merely an 'observer' of His Will being realized and seen as 'event' by your own very eyes..
Salam / Peace
peace Jafar,
very truthful quote.
peace
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We need to strengthen our own base. We need to come to agreements on topics and issues where we can. Where we cannot, then we must agree to disagree, present the different views and let the people decide what is best for them.
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We need to get professional.
I think we need a better website. Something professional - this one will not cut it.
We need to do what the LDS Church have done. Check out their website www.lds.org
We need to present ourselves as the real deal and not amateur.
- We need to start getting the message out there.
I suggest we advertise in local / national papers. Maybe a verse or two from AQ, a few words on the oneness of god and the link to this site / forum. We need to increase awareness.
- We need to also target youth and converts. I say forget the old guard, they won't change. The focus should be on the youth to make them question the ways of their parents and converts who are having problems or aren't very cosy with their muslim community.
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- We need to strengthen our own base. We need to come to agreements on topics and issues where we can. Where we cannot, then we must agree to disagree, present the different views and let the people decide what is best for them.
I think that'll be difficult.. but we def need to strengthen our own base and increase our knowledge about things.
People do present their different views here and it's up to people to decide their paths no-one enforces anything.
I guess everyone seems to take their own path which is probably why there is alot of fragmentation in the Quran following community..
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Establish congregations. We can't force people to acknowledge, but we can deliver God's words. There're already many Unitarian Churches in the US and UK, so we can talk to people in those churches about the Quran. If they're indeed monotheists, then they will have no problem accepting the Quran. I'd warn, that, Unitarian Universalist Association (UUA) in the US is not really a Monotheist congregation. "There is no god except God" or anything similar is not in UUA's basic principle, and UUA blesses gay marriage while it's clear from both Bible and Quran that gay is a gross sin, though I acknowledge that there shouldn't be persecutions against gays, for they didn't really act against us or cause dangers in the society. Speaking in a more Christian voice, we love the sinners, for they may hear God's voice and repent, but we hate sins, since God has forbidden them.
Sorry for digressing for a while. What we can do to make God Alone movement advance is to make God's message available to more people. It's not our business whether they acknowledge or not. We should also be good servants of God ourselves, so others can see the difference between a Monotheist and a polytheist, and God's blessings on us. Hopefully, we can have Monotheists who become public celebrities, like Nobel Prize winners and Supreme Court Justices, more hopefully, US President. Perhaps we've already got some of them. They may help a lot in making God Alone movement advance, for their words will sound more "authoritative," so non-monotheists are more likely to consider what they say.
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Peace,
Below are milestones which needs to be reached before this movement can advance
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Consensus - The linguistic issues of Arabic need to be solved and a state of agreement on what Quran truly advocated. If a new lonely true Messenger of God emerged again would certainly help who could straighten up what disputes we have, but we might not be able to count on this considered how sparsely these are sent. Otherwise honest devoted research have to be conducted and people able to unite despite minor disagreements under the Monotheist banner.
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Organization - A major organization and local branches have to be established. Optimally it should work globally and be aware of the clear opposition such an organization would experience. A firm and strong Islamic movement could well trigger new wars such as those Muhammad faced according to Quran by those who are the enemies of God. Members need not to be afraid of death, but also not indulge in aggression but find the middleway.
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Leaders - Dedicated people who can be referred to and have a strong personality and influence. They need to become synonymous with this organization for a longer period and successors have to be prepared before the former leader(s) resign. Certainly they need to be of the caliber of a human Messenger of God almost, that many people will listen to then even across religious borders.
Sorry. I have no more time to write.
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Peace Zulf,
I know, but it is an important milestone I think /
God bless you
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Peace,
Below are milestones which needs to be reached before this movement can advance
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Consensus - The linguistic issues of Arabic need to be solved and a state of agreement on what Quran truly advocated. If a new lonely true Messenger of God emerged again would certainly help who could straighten up what disputes we have, but we might not be able to count on this considered how sparsely these are sent. Otherwise honest devoted research have to be conducted and people able to unite despite minor disagreements under the Monotheist banner.
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Organization - A major organization and local branches have to be established. Optimally it should work globally and be aware of the clear opposition such an organization would experience. A firm and strong Islamic movement could well trigger new wars such as those Muhammad faced according to Quran by those who are the enemies of God. Members need not to be afraid of death, but also not indulge in aggression but find the middleway.
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Leaders - Dedicated people who can be referred to and have a strong personality and influence. They need to become synonymous with this organization for a longer period and successors have to be prepared before the former leader(s) resign. Certainly they need to be of the caliber of a human Messenger of God almost, that many people will listen to then even across religious borders.
Sorry. I have no more time to write.
Won't these steps bring us closer to sectarianism? And what the sunnis have established today? If a consensus is made, then what about those who deviate from this consensus? If there already is a consensus, it is that Islam is not an organized religion.
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Peace,
It may sound like that, but if it is an organization following God alone then it is no sect. A sect has deviated from the main religious path and one dedicated to God alone has not. Muhammad and his people when he lived was also like an organization. It is nothing wrong with this kind of activity as long as it follows God's religion.
The organizational part which includes Sunni or Shia is not wrong, only what they stand for. Its purpose is to unite people. Not bring them apart. God's religion is not isolationist but about loving your neighbor and beyond. A goal is spreading God's word of peace and prosperity which it the ultimate aim.
There is only one Truth and this one Truth is what divides us. This is why I mentioned a Messenger because such one would clarify right from wrong.
God bless you