"And kneel with those who kneel"
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Islam were handed down to majority of Muslims by their parents. I was one of em. If my parents have been worshipping a a yoga mat i would probably have done that. Which doesnt mean though i love them very much, that they are right. If you ask the average muslim about the religion most if the time they cant even answer a simple question. My immediate n extended family are muslims and they hardly know anything except what they have been taught by their parents.
I started to ask questions about religion a couple of years ago and thats how i started to uncover the lies and fabrications. It was very confusing and i was in denial. I've asked myself many times the same questions u have been asking. I couldnt believe how could billions of ppl could be doing something wrong.Life is about discovery about learning by mistakes. There is no absolute right. Salat is a personal conversation with you and god. What works for me doesnt necessarily works of anybody else. A the end of the day god will judge everybody for their effort and sincerity.
I told myself that when i stand to answer god at least i want to say i tried to find the truth rather than follow these herds of muslims to a slaughter house. But thats jst me.
I wish you best of luck finding the truth. I hope one day you get the answers you r looking for.
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I told myself that when i stand to answer god at least i want to say i tried to find the truth rather than follow these herds of muslims to a slaughter house.
Doesn't this remind you all of the example of Abraham? Allah says to follow his example, in Quran. And what did he do? He did just that!
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peace all,
can it be "be humble with those who are humble"
e.g. those who serve you are always humble. so be humble to them. does this fit to all and all-time to maintain peace.
peace.
Peace DrGm,
= those who bow
peace hawk99
i accept 'bow'. but, when i take the meaning as humble, God willing, i can follow God's command anytime, anywhere. i hope this will bring only peace and unity.
those who serve us are wife/husband, son/daughter, helpers, servants, workmen, employees, etc. to name a few
peace
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Peace,
As I have said before on this forum; the prostration act is not necessarily connected to religious elements but was a common very humble greeting you performed in respect to someone paying homage. Remnants of the greeting in daily practical use still exists as in Asia some people still bow their upper part of body to a 90 degree angle and even regular people often bow their head slightly towards others.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in doing the same to your Creator even if it feels you bow down/prostrate to empty air because God is unseen.
God bless you
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Peace ajiboghareeb,
I feel God's nature is so critical to christianity that I can't imagine the widely accepted doctrine of trinity somehow incorrect. I understand that God says there's no God besides Him in the Bible, but it's hard to believe that God would allow this extremely important aspect of our faith to be understood incorrectly by the majorities.
http//www.free-minds.org/whats-name
Abdelilah
Yes, but isn't that why there was a prophet after Jesus? The majorities erred so dangerously to associate Jesus with God that another revelation came to clarify the same message. Muslims accept the Quran as the final revelation to clarify that which came before - with that being said, if salah has been corrupted (ie by Sunni methodology, etc.), why hasn't there been another revelation from God?
These ideas are what distinguish majority-following in my eyes when it comes to Trinitarianism vs contact prayer. The contact prayer has been an element of faith since Abraham. So, when I say "islam," I don't refer to islam by label but by meaning (peaceful submission to the one God). As a result, the contact prayer has been critical to "Judaism," "Christianity," and "Islam." Associating Jesus as a partner with God is indeed a major transgression, and that is one clarification provided in the Quran.
Just some thoughts; I very much like all the answers here.
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Peace,
As I have said before on this forum; the prostration act is not necessarily connected to religious elements but was a common very humble greeting you performed in respect to someone paying homage. Remnants of the greeting in daily practical use still exists as in Asia some people still bow their upper part of body to a 90 degree angle and even regular people often bow their head slightly towards others.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in doing the same to your Creator even if it feels you bow down/prostrate to empty air because God is unseen.
God bless you
Good going Man of faith.
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Meaning of sujud/sajada lowly, humble, submissive, worship, adore, prostrate, make obeisance, lower/bend oneself down towards the ground, lower the head, to salute/honour/magnify, to pay respect, to stand up, to look continuedly and tranquily.
Meaning of ruku' bowed, bent, incline, humility, humble yourself, lower the head.
The problem that continually arises is that people only want to accept on definition or want a definitive answer on what it means. It's like people are just incapable or do not want to accept the fact that maybe you can perform sujud and ruku in more than one way!!
Why can't a person do either of the above mentioned things? Why does only one of the ways have to be right. Why can't I prostrate to god one day and salute god the next? If they both mean that i am performing 'sujud' then what is the problem?
If someone wants to physically prostrate then so be it. If someone wants to mentally prostrate then so be it. Their reward is with the one who created them.
Debating which is correct or which is of greater importance and is better is so trivial its sectarian!!
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Meaning of sujud/sajada lowly, humble, submissive, worship, adore, prostrate, make obeisance, lower/bend oneself down towards the ground, lower the head, to salute/honour/magnify, to pay respect, to stand up, to look continuedly and tranquily.
Meaning of ruku' bowed, bent, incline, humility, humble yourself, lower the head.
The problem that continually arises is that people only want to accept on definition or want a definitive answer on what it means. It's like people are just incapable or do not want to accept the fact that maybe you can perform sujud and ruku in more than one way!!
Why can't a person do either of the above mentioned things? Why does only one of the ways have to be right. Why can't I prostrate to god one day and salute god the next? If they both mean that i am performing 'sujud' then what is the problem?
If someone wants to physically prostrate then so be it. If someone wants to mentally prostrate then so be it. Their reward is with the one who created them.
Debating which is correct or which is of greater importance and is better is so trivial its sectarian!!
Well said! I agree. We will move in the direction towards a consensus or fixed criteria that will turn us into a sect. It will be like the end of Islam in its golden age, all over again, free interpretation will be frowned upon.
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Debating which is correct or which is of greater importance and is better is so trivial its sectarian!!
Good points
(QS 423
"And those who have responded to their Lord, and they hold the contact prayer, and their affairs are conducted by mutual consultation among themselves, and from Our provisions to them they give."
This verse clearly said if we must did discussion with good way.
Plus verse 2177.
" Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but pious is one who believes in God and the Last Day, and the angels,and the Book, and the prophets, and who gives money out of love to the relatives, and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to free the slaves; and who upholds the contact prayer, and who contributes towards purification; and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of hardship and adversity and when
in despair. These are the ones who have been truthful, and these are the righteous"See, differences in fatwa and intepretation of Quran is not important in our Islam, and as long as we ijtihad on our faith, InshaAllah the reward is Jannah.
Salaam
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Peace Family,
So if people can do whatever sujud appeals to their fancies, what type of sujud
would you recommend for congregational prayer?You shall observe the Contact Prayers and give the obligatory charity and
bow down with those who bow down.All have a blessed ramadan
peace
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So if people can do whatever sujud appeals to their fancies, what type of sujud
would you recommend for congregational prayer?You shall observe the Contact Prayers and give the obligatory charity and
bow down with those who bow down.Peace hawk99.
Myself still intepretate ruku' and sujud as physical shalat.
Plus this is the verse about salat janaaza (funeral player) which is one of the reason I believe if salat is physical rites.984 And do not make the contact prayer for any of them who have died, nor stand at their grave. They have rejected God and His
messenger and died while they were wicked. -
Peace Family,
So if people can do whatever sujud appeals to their fancies, what type of sujud
would you recommend for congregational prayer?You shall observe the Contact Prayers and give the obligatory charity and
bow down with those who bow down.All have a blessed ramadan
peace
peace all,
a family is a congregation. each member in the family has to pray Allah individually for all their needs. believing Allah (prayer) that He will provide their every need and stand steadfast in their belief/prayer, with this stand they help each other starting the charity from their home. when Allah broadens their heart and if Allah wills, they can increase the charity beyond their home. to live in this path the family has to be humble to each other who are humble thereby first maintaining the peace at home. prayer is not a practice, but life itself, in the path of Quran. prayer is known only to Allah and the one who pray. this is how we started praying Allah.
in this way all the family of believers pray to Allah. this prayer unites all the humble believers wherever they are by Allah. this will not become a sect, because here everyone is an individual.
peace
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Peace DrGm,
A family can be part of or comprise a congregation, but a family is not a congregation.
fam?i?ly/f?mli, f?mli/ Show Spelled Show IPA noun, plural fam?i?lies, adjective
noun- a. a basic social unit consisting of parents and their children, considered as a group,
whether dwelling together or not the traditional family.
b. a social unit consisting of one or more adults together with the children they care
for a single-parent family.-
the children of one person or one couple collectively We want a large family.
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the spouse and children of one person We're taking the family on vacation
next week. -
any group of persons closely related by blood, as parents, children, uncles,
aunts, and cousins to marry into a socially prominent family. -
all those persons considered as descendants of a common progenitor.
World English Dictionary
congregation (kren)? n
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a group of persons gathered for worship, prayer, etc, esp in a church or chapel
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the act of congregating or collecting together
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a group of people, objects, etc, collected together; assemblage
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the group of persons habitually attending a given church, chapel, etc
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RC Church
a. a society of persons who follow a common rule of life but who are bound only by simple vows
b. Also called dicastery an administrative subdivision of the papal curia
c. an administrative committee of bishops for arranging the business of a general council -
chiefly ( Brit ) an assembly of senior members of a university
May God reward you
peace
- a. a basic social unit consisting of parents and their children, considered as a group,
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Peace Hawk99,
Do we have to seek the help of dictionary or take a word in its literal sense always.
How about going by our common sense or conscience, leading to innate understanding by looking beyond. This kind of pondering will help us to make sense of any translation and interpretation whether it goes well with the truth in our hearts.-
A family consists of a "group of persons gathered together for worship" could be even at the dinner table - Thanksgiving Prayer.
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I think what DrGm is trying to say is If we are not humble at home first, which is where it matters first, how does it matter when we are humble to general public or is it we are acting outside and showing our true nature at home. We need to remember, charity begins at home.
For eg., I am rude/angry/mean to my husband but I go out and give alms to the poor.
I am accountable to God on the Judgement Day. He is closely watching me inside my heart also - He is All Knowing. I am destroying peace at home and I put on an act for the outside world that I am generous. Can I fool God?Gita
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Peace Earthdom,
Thanks for reminding me of that ayat (9/84), I completely forgot about it.
Free-minds is the place to be
peace
Wala tusalli AAala ahadinminhum mata abadan wala taqum AAala qabrihiinnahum kafaroo biAllahi warasoolihi wamatoowahum fasiqoona
Tahir ul Qadri
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Yousuf Ali Nor do thou ever pray for any of them that dies, nor stand at his grave; for they rejected Allah and His Messenger, and died in a state of perverse rebellion.
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Falamma raa aydiyahum latasilu ilayhi nakirahum waawjasa minhum kheefatan qaloola takhaf inna orsilna ila qawmi lootinTahir ul Qadri
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Yousuf Ali But when he saw their hands went not towards the (meal), he felt some mistrust of them, and conceived a fear of them. They said "Fear not We have been sent against the people of Lut."Only two ayahs where this word accurs and in one it means "pray" and in the other "reaching" isn't that weird!
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Peace Hawk99,
Do we have to seek the help of dictionary or take a word in its literal sense always.Peace wiselite,
Thank you for your reply, definitions are important it is the key to understanding any
language. You are right when you say a group can be a family. But to say a family
"is" becomes the definition of the word. If you notice I sometimes say "peace family"
when opening a post, referring to my family of believers. Therefore a family can be
understood to be a group with similar aspirations metaphorically.Peace 357,
You are right the two words appear to have the same root.
maybe someone can explain the difference between tusalli (pray)
in 9/84 and tasilu (reaching) in 11/70.Have a blessed ramadan
peace