Fast Poll
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Salaamun alayka,
RED Who is this?
GREEN He did not say that nope
Please try to understand the next verses to understand what he is asking them. And please notice that they did not understood it as the islam/moslim as how you understand it.
A- 2733
A- 2734salaam,
BenderTo understand the story in its entirety, just go through 2720-44. The conclusion is that King Solomon as a messenger of GOD, after being informed of the existence of an idol worshiping nation next to his kingdom decided to invite them to Islam, and he was successful in his endeavor too.
Peace,
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Peace all,
While we try to encourage productive debate, can I please remind members that they should try to keep to the subject matter of the thread.
Feel free to create new threads to discuss your chosen subject, or use the search function to see if a similar thread has already been created and continue the discussion there.
This makes it easier for people to follow the arguments of the thread with minimal digression.
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Peace Earthdom,
Dear Timur.It seems you're didn't quote the full explanation instead only picking some part.
The reason Timur only quoted that part was because of this
Earthdom "In Lane Lexicon page 1612 in section , reffering the word shahr as month not moon."
So here it is again. Lane's Lexicon, page 1612
The moon or the moon when conspicuous, and near to being full.Timur was even so good to link to the complete entry of in Lane's Lexicon (page 1612-1613)
Please check Lanes again
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000336.pdf
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000337.pdfSo he wasn't "only picking some part" but disproving a false claim.
Abdelilah
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2731,
Do not consider yourselves above me and come to me as Muslims.
People of Sheba were worshiping the Sun. King Solomon who was a messenger of GOD sent them a letter and invited them to Islam becoming Muslims. That is what the verse means. Their queen was the first among them to accept Islam. See 2744 below
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...She said, my Lord I did wrong myself and I become a Muslim alongside with Solomon to ALLAAH, Lord of the Universe.So according to you Solomon invited them to some religion with an Arabic proper name that they didn't understand and they mindlessly repeated the word Muslim without understanding it in their language!!!
Also, read the context of 2731, it is not about forcing people into some meaningless Arabic name of a religion. The reaction of the queen's people was to go to war. They never say "people hold on to your religion" or anything like that. So clearly Solomon was saying for them to come to him as "peacemakers". Later when the queen saw the signs of her lord, she made peace to the god and not to some Arabic proper name that was meaningless to her.
Peace,
Ayman
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So according to you Solomon invited them to some religion with an Arabic proper name that they didn't understand and they mindlessly repeated the word Muslim without understanding it in their language!!!
Also, read the context of 2731, it is not about forcing people into some meaningless Arabic name of a religion. The reaction of the queen's people was to go to war. They never say "people hold on to your religion" or anything like that. So clearly Solomon was saying for them to come to him as "peacemakers". Later when the queen saw the signs of her lord, she made peace to the god and not to some Arabic proper name that was meaningless to her.
Peace,
Ayman
At the present time, The Qur'aan, its language, and what it is trying to communicate to us is of the essence. Whatever the language of people of Sheba at their time was, is not important to us today. Arabic is the language that GOD has picked to communicate with us and He knows best.
There are Arabic words, like in many other languages, that through a long history have globally been accepted and recognized. These words are not to be translated when used in another language. Only their transliterations or at best their equivalents that convey the exact same meaning in the original language are used. And this is for their meanings not to be compromised. Examples are the Arabic words "algebra", "function", "mechanic", "Islam", "Muslims", "The Qur'aan", and many more when used in English language.
Peace,
Khalil -
Peace,
I can't find another poll on this forum that has had as many votes as this one. But I still believe we can reach at least 100 votes.
If you're not clear on the subject
Hot/"ramadan" Answer ORDon't forget to vote.
peaceI find it really amusing that you want to promote this long twisted thread, where vaild arguments were buried under circular arguments of one person who claims to know Arabic but can not define ALLAAH, which he translates as ?the god?
Those who do have knowledge of Arabic would know how to explain AL-LAAH.
I?ll give you a clue; ALLAAH is the Creator of all things in this universe.
If you take away all created things, one by one, what would remain once the very last atom is taken away??Peace
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Those who do have knowledge of Arabic would know how to explain AL-LAAH.
I?ll give you a clue; ALLAAH is the Creator of all things in this universe.
If you take away all created things, one by one, what would remain once the very last atom is taken away??Please share your knowledge with us farida, and don't forget to vote.
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Please share your knowledge with us farida, and don't forget to vote.
Omninescience was the 'knowledge' of the people of the Era of Pure Ignorance.
Myths and Superstitions infiltrated that Vacuum of Knowledgelessness;the meaning of laa should mean absolute nothing. And that is the meaning of the Arabic word for laa meaning no, not, or there is not. And there you have learned your first Arabic word from the book (al-kitaab) if you did not know it already.
The first law of Truth ALLAAH made His creation to proclaim was laa 'ilaaha 'illaa allaah = no or there is no god but the-God or no ilaah but allaah
The first word of this proclamation is laa (more details are required for me to take you into more details).If we say la or laa we are always in the l. But how will we describe the whole l. In the Arabic language of the Qur'aan the definite article (the word 'the' is called al. An example the Book = al-kitaab al = the and kitaab = book. Then we would say 'the l' which in the Book (al-kitaab) would be al-l and because in Arabic the definite article is part of the following word we would say all (just like the meaning of the English word 'all'
al-la = the - from the infinite beginning to' --->
al-laa = the -from the infinite 'beginning' to the infinite 'end'.
The H in the Book (al-kitaab) means 'the whole of' like Huwa meaning He and Hiya meaning She; it signifies that which is between the two ends
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604789.msg317963#msg317963
You need to read whole thread to grasp what been said above
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At the present time, The Qur'aan, its language, and what it is trying to communicate to us is of the essence. Whatever the language of people of Sheba at their time was, is not important to us today. Arabic is the language that GOD has picked to communicate with us and He knows best.
There are Arabic words, like in many other languages, that through a long history have globally been accepted and recognized. These words are not to be translated when used in another language. Only their transliterations or at best their equivalents that convey the exact same meaning in the original language are used. And this is for their meanings not to be compromised. Examples are the Arabic words "algebra", "function", "mechanic", "Islam", "Muslims", "The Qur'aan", and many more when used in English language.
Peace,
KhalilPeace -- there are numerous foreign words incorporated into Arabic over the years like Google, automobile, etc., and Qur'an is a translation of some events into Arabic speech spoken at the time of revelation.
What was it in Firaun's tongue or don't translate anything?
1090 ..." and I from al-mus'limna"
3335 surely al-mus'limna (m/p) wal-mus'limti (f/p) wal-mu'minna/and the believers (m/p) wal-mu'minti/and the believers (f/p) and the obedient (m/p) and the obedient (f/p) and the truthful (m/p) and the truthful (f/p) and the patient (m/p) and the patient (f/p) and the humble (m/p) and the humble (f/p) and who give handouts (m/p) and who give handouts (f/p) wal-saimna/and who fast (m/p) wal-saimati/and who fast (f/p) wal-afina/and who guard (m/p) private parts theirs wal-afiati/and the ones who guard it (f/p) and the who remember (m/p) the god much of and who remember (f/p) has prepared the god for them forgiveness and payment of enormous
6835 surely so we treat al-mus'limna kal-muj'rimna/like the criminals?
Synonyms for criminal
felonious, unlawful, malefactor, evildoer, transgressor, culprit, felon, crook, hoodlumAntonyms for criminal
ethical, good, kind, lawful, moral, noble, proper, correct, righteous, peacemakerI find it really amusing that you want to promote this long twisted thread, where vaild arguments were buried under circular arguments of one person who claims to know Arabic but can not define ALLAAH, which he translates as ?the god?
Those who do have knowledge of Arabic would know how to explain AL-LAAH.
I?ll give you a clue; ALLAAH is the Creator of all things in this universe.
If you take away all created things, one by one, what would remain once the very last atom is taken away??Peace farida -- that is dwelling in the unseen which one can only speculate as in physics and conservation of energy thus nothing is taken away only transferred to energy and it's makes no sense to say my Allah or Allah ours.
3946 say - the god ours originator the heavens and the earth know-er the unseen
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Peace -- there are numerous foreign words incorporated into Arabic over the years like Google, automobile, etc., and Qur'an is a translation of some events into Arabic speech spoken at the time of revelation.
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Peace farida --
3946 say - the god ours originator the heavens and the earth know-er the unseenPeace
There are numerous foreign words incorporated into Arabic spoken language today but the Qur'aan was revealed in pure Arabic which is the Macro version of Hebrew; see for example this table below
http//www.ancient-hebrew.org/28_chart.html
see in this chart miym/mem/M under picture is water
note that in Arabic we read the-water = al-maa'
miym in Arabic means circle (see how miym is written in Arabic and reads from m to m) and water too generates ripple/circles hailthat is dwelling in the unseen which one can only speculate as in physics and conservation of energy thus nothing is taken away only transferred to energy and it's makes no sense to say my Allah or Allah ours.
I was giving an example to take us back to where it all originated, ie to the creator = ALLAAH and ruh of ALLAAH which activated creation/everything so when you take away everything you are left with 'not anything' and ruh of ALLAAH.
With humbleness you will grasp what I am saying insha'ALLAAH
3946 Say, "O Allah , Creator of the heavens and the earth, Knower of the unseen and the witnessed, You will judge between your servants concerning that over which they used to differ."
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Peace,
Grammatically, if you choose to use God as a name, the definite article is wrong to use for Him. Normally, if you refer to God you refer to Him as an animate intelligent being which makes "the god" grammatically wrong. 'The god' turns out to be a relatively clinical expression giving God a cold nature making Him into more like an object. If talking about a specific proper being then 'God' is the correct usage.
Check dictionary.
In Arabic, as I have understood, the definite article added to the same word you pronounce has a different use than English and is of more general use. Just because you say Al-Lah does not render the god correct in English. Allah is used as a proper name and for that the God is grammatically incorrect. God has many names and that is why you also see al-rahman and al-raheem, they are names as the so-called 'basmala' indicates by 'bism'. So since they are names then logically Allah must also be treated as a proper name causing 'the God' to be incorrect usage of English. God is the universally accepted English name for the god of the Abrahamic religion, and since there is only one god there is little to discuss. God is God. You do not say 'the Henrik' for example.
God bless you
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Peace,
Grammatically, if you choose to use God as a name, the definite article is wrong to use for Him. Normally, if you refer to God you refer to Him as an animate intelligent being which makes "the god" grammatically wrong. 'The god' turns out to be a relatively clinical expression giving God a cold nature making Him into more like an object. If talking about a specific proper being then 'God' is the correct usage.
Check dictionary.
In Arabic, as I have understood, the definite article added to the same word you pronounce has a different use than English and is of more general use. Just because you say Al-Lah does not render the god correct in English. Allah is used as a proper name and for that the God is grammatically incorrect. God has many names and that is why you also see al-rahman and al-raheem, they are names as the so-called 'basmala' indicates by 'bism'. So since they are names then logically Allah must also be treated as a proper name causing 'the God' to be incorrect usage of English. God is the universally accepted English name for the god of the Abrahamic religion, and since there is only one god there is little to discuss. God is God. You do not say 'the Henrik' for example.
God bless you
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605535.msg333513#msg333513
Peace,
Khalil -
Peace,
Grammatically, if you choose to use God as a name, the definite article is wrong to use for Him. Normally, if you refer to God you refer to Him as an animate intelligent being which makes "the god" grammatically wrong. 'The god' turns out to be a relatively clinical expression giving God a cold nature making Him into more like an object. If talking about a specific being then 'God' is the correct usage.
Check dictionary.
God bless you
Peace
I agree with you an animate intelligent being/super brain as in Hebrew resh in Arabic raas.
Also see Genisis 11 Bereshith, (in wisdom God created the heavens and the earth.
Elohim is conjoined with verbs and adjectives in the singular, an anomaly in language which has been explained as suggesting the unity of the Godhead.
http//biblehub.com/genesis/1-1.htm
salaam -
Peace All,
Anyway, getting back to the theme of the thread
The fasting period begins following the witnessing of the first full-moon after the
summer solstice and lasts for 10 days.The simple answer is "not true"
10 days nope
Summer solstice, uh-uh
Interesting thread though
! Let's save the the god nonsense for another thread
God bless
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Peace All,
Anyway, getting back to the theme of the thread
The fasting period begins following the witnessing of the first full-moon after the
summer solstice and lasts for 10 days.The simple answer is "not true"
10 days nope
God bless
handshake
Today is my 27th day of fasting and al-hamdullilaah the month of ramDaan is going very well, despite it being the longest hours of fast I've witnessed so far. yes
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Peace farida, handshake
We just fast, that's all, no matter the length of day, we know that the victory is for the steadfast.
al-hamdullilaah, Congratulations are coming soon Insha'Allah, I can hardly wait for the gathering,
two days to go!Have a blessed Ramadan
peace
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3946 Say, "O Allah
Peace -- where is "O" as in 221 O you the humankind? Ending with usually means our/s)
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Peace -- where is "O" as in 221 O you the humankind? Ending with usually means our/s)
Peace
I pasted for you Sahih International translation to put my point across, regarding our differences in understanding of the Qur?aanic message.The Qur'aan is the last book of ALLAAH. That takes us to al-kitaab. It is in al-kitaab where all the knowledge is collected, and as you do not follow al-kitaab you would not understand what ?ALLAAHumaa? stands for according to my defination.
Peace
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Peace Abdellilah
The reason Timur only quoted that part was because of this
Earthdom "In Lane Lexicon page 1612 in section , reffering the word shahr as month not moon."
So here it is again. Lane's Lexicon, page 1612
The moon or the moon when conspicuous, and near to being full.Please re-read my post again in page 7.
So he wasn't "only picking some part" but disproving a false claim.
hmm.Didn't understant what do ya mean D