Leaving the Quran alone ideology

Man_of_Faith

Fare thee well,

Honestly, I have a feeling that the grandson of Muhammad was one among the righteous descendants of Muhammad. At least as it seems during my research of the Shia branch of religion.

The ones who seem to have killed Truthful muslims were following the caliphate which there were war over ever since Muhammad died

Without associating partners with God I must say I believe in blessed people who have more Knowledge and Wisdom than others. The common problem is that people often idolize these people, be it Messengers or righteous Imams or just a fellow servant of God. We are all equal (in judgment) but some people may have excelled more than others. And we are only blessed with these things because of God; we should praise Him for everything.

The above statement is supported if you read and consider what it written in Quran. It is easy to see that some people excel more than others even if God is far above everyone. And we excel due to God's blessings and provisions as He deems us worthy.

God bless you

noshirk

Without associating partners with God I must say I believe in blessed people who have more Knowledge and Wisdom than others.

Salaam man of faith

i agree on this.
However the question is how you can measure the knowledge of who you think has more knowledge than you. In a someway, you have to put faith on him and he can astray you since you cannot be sure that he will go to heaven.

Following "who seems to have more knowledge than you" is following other arbabs than god.

On the other hand,
in quran, it is said for example that people who were with noah on the ark are moominous and probably most of them will go to heaven. Those people had neither quran nor bullshit books of hadiths in their hands.
My question is simple From wich level "of science" more than those you think you will allowed te enter paradise. What is the minimal level of science/knowledge needed to enter paradise ?

Before reading what he said, and be sure that he said that, how to be sure that ""aliy ibn al-husayn zaynul "aabidiyn grandson of the prophet(S+) muhammad (S+) the messenger of the Lord of The Worlds." will go to heaven ?
Is there not a child of Noah mentionned in quran who would go to hell ?

what could have said zaynul blablabla is not part of my deen.

Peace

faruk

Is it not strange that the descendant of mushrik fore fathers now accuse a descendant of the fathers of monotheism as being mushrik.

You ask me how I can defend myself.
Here are the famous words of my 41st ancestor imaam "aliy ibn al-husayn zaynul "aabidiyn grandson of the prophet(S+) muhammad (S+) the messenger of the Lord of The Worlds. This is but a small section of writing of a long history of men, many of whom were killed, beheaded, and crucified by the mushriks for teaching the world the religion of ALLAAH

Salam, Will you please answer directly with logic and proof and stop this hearsay stories of mushrik fore fathers , descendant of the fathers of monotheism and 41st ancestor imaam "aliy ibn al-husayn zaynul "aabidiyn. Really there is no historical proof of of a person named "aliy ibn al-husayn zaynul "aabidiyn grandson of the prophet(S+) muhammad (S+) the messenger of the Lord of The Worlds other than persian myths stated by so called persian historians and hathis tellers.

raspberry_red

Salaam man of faith

i agree on this.
However the question is how you can measure the knowledge of who you think has more knowledge than you. In a someway, you have to put faith on him and he can astray you since you cannot be sure that he will go to heaven.

Following "who seems to have more knowledge than you" is following other arbabs than god.

On the other hand,
in quran, it is said for example that people who were with noah on the ark are moominous and probably most of them will go to heaven. Those people had neither quran nor bullshit books of hadiths in their hands.
My question is simple From wich level "of science" more than those you think you will allowed te enter paradise. What is the minimal level of science/knowledge needed to enter paradise ?

Before reading what he said, and be sure that he said that, how to be sure that ""aliy ibn al-husayn zaynul "aabidiyn grandson of the prophet(S+) muhammad (S+) the messenger of the Lord of The Worlds." will go to heaven ?
Is there not a child of Noah mentionned in quran who would go to hell ?

what could have said zaynul blablabla is not part of my deen.

Peace

I just came across your post above where you wrote

"Following "who seems to have more knowledge than you" is following other arbabs than god."

My question is then, how do we learn the knowledge that we don't know?

If we don't know some knowledge, then we need a teacher knowledgeable in this knowledge to teach us, so we can learn what we don't know, right?
Or, we can learn directly from God, eventually, this could be possible, but this way of learning looks extremely seldom (prophets) isn't it?

We know that every person who wants to learn the Scriptures and islaam is not a prophet.
We know that to learn some knowledge that wo don't possess, we need one teacher who knows what we don't know.
So, if we shouldn't learn (or "follow&quot the knowledge of someone who has more knowledge than us, how do we learn the knowledge of God that we don't know then?

Man_of_Faith

Fare thee well noshirk,

I agree if you mean that it is dangerous to rely on people you think are blessed people considered how many are astray. This was not entirely what I propose though. I would not obey even an influential person highly respected if he tells me something which goes against the guidelines of the Quran. It is not a matter of following any teachings of people and if there, hypothetically, would come another Messenger he would advocate the same laws as have been there all the time. So it would be relatively easy to see the Truth in that. No righteous Imam or whatever you like to call them would say anything other than what you can find in Quran.

You have told many good things by your effort to interpret the Quran and in ways you are blessed like one of he wise ones of old. So if we follow you in logical and reasonable proportions this is only right. This could by some be equal to Imam status.

But like we agree as I know your standing, only words which follow the guidelines of Quran should be used. There is no need right now, unless God would (low probability) issue another scripture, to say more than is written in Quran. Unless more teachings came down from God we need only what is there, perhaps elaborated, but nothing added.

No need for extra books, no hearsay (hadith), not even the Bible as it is unreliable for more than some inspiration on how to be and behave.

As long as we can solve all twisted word connotations caused by a millennium of corrupt clergymen who decided words mean this or that.

God bless you

G_Omar

No righteous Imam or whatever you like to call them would say anything other than what you can find in Quran.

Salaam Man of Faith
Have you ever considered why we call Jews and Christians 'People of the Book'? Which book does the name refer to? What if there is a book from Allaah, other than the Qur'aan that contains His eternal truth, and what if the Qur'aan is the explanation of that Book, called al kitaab maknuwn (the hidden book).
Would learning about such a book, that contains all the knowledge in the world, be of interest to you, or would you discard it because it contains statements not found in the Qur'aan? Would that not be a foolish thing to do? peace

muslims

Salam

I believe to the extent of any inconsistency, this is a clear prohibition against hadith...

Say, "Bring forward your witnesses who will testify that Allah has prohibited this."
And if they TESTIFY (including by way of hadith)
DO NOT testify with them
And DO NOT follow the desires of those who deny Our verses
and those who do not believe in the Hereafter
while they EQUATE with their Lord. (<a href="http//quran.com/6/150">6150</a&gt

and DO NOT be of those who associate others with Allah
of those who have divided their religion and become sects
every faction rejoicing in what it has. (<a href="http//quran.com/4/40">3031-32</a&gt

No one disputes concerning the signs of Allah except those who disbelieve (<a href="http//quran.com/4/40">404</a&gt
(actual pillar of Islam > obedience vs disobedience - "DO NOT&quot

and the condition of becoming muslim scholars..

And We appointed, from among them leaders
giving guidance under Our command

SO LONG (the condition)

as they persevered with patience
and continued to have faith in Our Signs (obedience) (<a href="http//quran.com/4/40">3224</a&gt

Aamer

The long winded prayer that Al amiyr posted mentions the name of Allah 15 times. And the name of Muhammad 16 times. Just an observation. Carry on.

G_Omar

The long winded prayer that Al amiyr posted mentions the name of Allah 15 times. And the name of Muhammad 16 times. Just an observation. Carry on.

Qur'aan alone, and I still count myself as one of you, if more open to authentic hadiyths after some tutoring from al-amiyr, is supposedly about returning to original and authentic Islam. In truth though, I must say the sectarian spirit here is depressingly vivid.
Your observations Ameer, apparently lead you to conclude there are a Million trees but no forest, if you follow my drift. No?? Sad!! hypno

muslims